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Mystery of Delhi's Iron Pillar unraveled
Press Trust of India ^ | Sunday, July 21, 2002 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 07/21/2002 1:15:49 PM PDT by vannrox

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Mystery of Delhi's Iron Pillar unraveled

New Delhi, July 18: Experts at the Indian Instituteof Technology have resolved the mystery behind the 1,600-year-old iron pillar in Delhi, which has never corroded despite the capital's harsh weather.

Metallurgists at Kanpur IIT have discovered that a thin layer of "misawite", a compound of iron, oxygen and hydrogen, has protected the cast iron pillar from rust.

The protective film took form within three years after erection of the pillar and has been growing ever so slowly since then. After 1,600 years, the film has grown just one-twentieth of a millimeter thick, according to R. Balasubramaniam of the IIT.

In a report published in the journal Current Science Balasubramanian says, the protective film was formed catalytically by the presence of high amounts of phosphorous in the iron—as much as one per cent against less than 0.05 per cent in today's iron.

The high phosphorous content is a result of the unique iron-making process practiced by ancient Indians, who reduced iron ore into steel in one step by mixing it with charcoal.

Modern blast furnaces, on the other hand, use limestone in place of charcoal yielding molten slag and pig iron that is later converted into steel. In the modern process most phosphorous is carried away by the slag.

The pillar—over seven metres high and weighing more than six tonnes—was erected by Kumara Gupta of Gupta dynasty that ruled northern India in AD 320-540.

Stating that the pillar is "a living testimony to the skill of metallurgists of ancient India", Balasubramaniam said the "kinetic scheme" that his group developed for predicting growth of the protective film may be useful for modeling long-term corrosion behaviour of containers for nuclear storage applications.



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To: Bernard Marx; blam
Maybe something was lost in the translation?

What do you think, blam? Is there something like what is being described (since you're so smart - LOL).
21 posted on 07/21/2002 8:10:40 PM PDT by JudyB1938
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To: vannrox
Modern blast furnaces, on the other hand, use limestone in place of charcoal yielding molten slag and pig iron that is later converted into steel. In the modern process most phosphorous is carried away by the slag.

Too bad. Can you imagine how many vintage car bodies could still be around?
22 posted on 07/21/2002 8:15:03 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: laredo44
Von Daniken wrote a book (it was also made into a movie or TV show) called Chariots of the Gods

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23 posted on 07/21/2002 8:17:23 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: JudyB1938
"What do you think, blam? Is there something like what is being described."

Sorry, don't know.

24 posted on 07/21/2002 8:19:46 PM PDT by blam
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To: Bernard Marx
All I can say is there's no "malawite" to be found in my mineralogical sources.

Maybe that's because it was spelled "misawite"? However, I couldn't find "misawite" anywhere, either.
25 posted on 07/21/2002 8:22:35 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: vannrox
Stating that the pillar is "a living testimony to the skill of metallurgists of ancient India",

No offense to these ancient Indians, but the odds of them knowing it would create some sort of rust barrier aren't high.

26 posted on 07/21/2002 8:24:53 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Jimer
The quality of oxygen isn't as good as it used to be.

Atoms in general are not as good as they used to be. Lousy imports!

27 posted on 07/21/2002 8:31:29 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Bernard Marx; blam
All I can say is there's no "malawite" to be found in my mineralogical sources.

Maybe that's because it was spelled "misawite"? However, I couldn't find "misawite" anywhere, either.

I found that our school has an electronic subscription to "Current Science" (a somewhat broad topic for an actual scientific journal). The most recent available issue is from May, 2002. To give you an idea of its flavor, here is the index for March, 2002. Of course, none of the links are functional from the FR page:

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1. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Ask Professor Ossolotch; Anonymous; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 15
2. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Bend your mind; Anonymous; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 16
3. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Brave heart; Laura McClure; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 6
4. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Cat man; Rene Ebersole; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 10
5. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Cave woman; Rene Ebersole; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 4
6. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Giant mystery cracked; Anonymous; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 13
7. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Oh, snap!; Anonymous; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 2
8. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Pigging out for science; Anonymous; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 12
9. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Robopillar wriggles to the rescue; Anonymous; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 14
10. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Sky walker; Rene Ebersole; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 8
11. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Slime to fight crime; Anonymous; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 12
12. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Surgery fixes girl's face; Anonymous; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 14
13. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Wacky world; Anonymous; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 13
14. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Whatizit?; Anonymous; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 16
15. Summary (Abstract/Citation) Full Text    Win a trip to space camp; Anonymous; Current Science, Middletown; Mar 22, 2002; Vol. 87, Iss. 14; pg. 3

28 posted on 07/21/2002 8:32:07 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: swarthyguy; mikeIII; keri; Red Jones
Thought you guys might like this.
29 posted on 07/21/2002 8:38:55 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: blam
I wonder if this pillar could be hollow and if anyone has ever tried to look inside it. Maybe the builders left a time capsule with messages or something.
30 posted on 07/21/2002 10:24:27 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: aruanan
I checked for "misawite;" I didn't have the word in front of me when typing the sentence you quoted and misremembered the spelling.
31 posted on 07/21/2002 10:46:22 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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32 posted on 07/22/2002 3:48:09 AM PDT by Erasmus
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To: vannrox
thanks vannrox for posting this
I find it interesting
Love, Palo
33 posted on 07/22/2002 4:18:34 AM PDT by palo verde
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To: Rockpile
"I wonder if this pillar could be hollow and if anyone has ever tried to look inside it. Maybe the builders left a time capsule with messages or something."

Don't know but, my instinct is that it is solid.

34 posted on 07/22/2002 7:04:32 AM PDT by blam
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To: vannrox; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 2Jedismom; ...
Von Daniken my ***. That said, here's one of the hits from Googling:
TITLE
by AUTHOR
Balasubramaniam... did Mossbauer spectroscopy of the rust samples. He shows that the phosphate was crystalline iron hydrogen phosphate hydride... The rust is composed of iron hydrogen phosphate hydrate (FePO 4.H3PO 4.4H2O) in the crystalline form in addition to a-, y-, o-FeOOH and magnetite, all in amorphous form. The process of protective rust formation on DIP iron has been outlined based on the rust analysis. The passive film formation on the Delhi iron pillar has been contrasted with rusting of normal and weathering steels. The critical factor aiding the superior corrosion resistance of the Delhi iron pillar is the formation of crystalline iron hydrogen phosphate hydrate, as a thin layer next the metal-scale interface, which drastically lowers the rate of corrosion due to its low porosity content. The formation of protective crystalline phosphate is aided by alternate wetting and drying cycles, which is the important contribution of the atmosphere to the pillar's corrosion resistance. Therefore, the corrosion resistance of the Delhi iron pillar is due to both Delhi (the environment providing alternate wetting and drying conditions) and iron (with its high P content conferring protection by the formation of the crystalline iron hydrogen phosphate).
Nothing about this mineral name, so A) perhaps it never caught on, or B) it was just a problem with the translation.
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35 posted on 09/10/2004 10:56:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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****. Forgot the link and title:

Review: Delhi Iron Pillar: New Insights. Balasubramaniam, R.
2002. Delhi: Aryan Books International.
Pp.168, figures 33.

by D.P. Agrawal

http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/t_rv/t_rv_agraw_delhi.htm


36 posted on 09/10/2004 10:57:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: vannrox

What about "corten" steel (what they make the "rusty" guard-rails and bridge beams out of)?

Wonder what the composition of that stuff is. Supposed to never need painting--as the rust forms a protective barrier. Sounds like the same process as what "misawite" is.


37 posted on 09/10/2004 11:16:10 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AM2000

thanks for the picture!


38 posted on 09/11/2004 7:57:00 AM PDT by ruoflaw
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To: vannrox
One PILLAR doesn't testify to any skills but to an accident of chance. If there were hundreds of examples around, then they could crow. ...but perhaps those in the business will change their iron making methods or a chemist will develop a spray that will prevent rusting.
39 posted on 09/11/2004 9:39:28 AM PDT by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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To: SunkenCiv

So...is this just ancient "rust blueing" as on fine, vintage firearms ?.....not that little Muttly would necessarily know about such things.......


40 posted on 09/11/2004 10:47:30 AM PDT by PoorMuttly ("Now, there you go again.")
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