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Wildfires spark Congress timber debate
Oregon Live/ The Oregonian ^ | 6 August 2002 | MICHAEL MILSTEIN

Posted on 08/06/2002 12:55:26 PM PDT by Grampa Dave

Wildfires spark Congress timber debate

08/06/02

MICHAEL MILSTEIN

Lawmakers are seizing on Oregon wildfires to push for stepped-up logging on the east side of the Cascades, causing environmental groups to suddenly back away from a bill they have long sought to protect old growth on the west side of the mountains.

While some Republican lawmakers and the timber industry say this summer's wildfires expose the failing health of the drier east-side forests, many environmentalists say they fear that lawmakers may "sell out" those fire-prone forests while saving the oldest remaining trees on the wetter and battle-worn west side.

"It's a divide and conquer approach," said Brett Brownscombe, conservation director for the Hells Canyon Preservation Council in La Grande. "The idea is, the environmental groups should be happy with what they get on the west side and in exchange should give up on the east side. That's not going to happen."

The dispute exposes the way wildfires crackling through the West are inflaming debate over forest management. The fires have led many in Congress to demand faster federal action on culling built-up tinder in national forests.

Environmental groups worry that will open the door to more logging overall.

"These things are all coalescing around fire," said Nathaniel Lawrence of the Natural Resources Defense Council. "I expect we'll see an extremely strong push to dramatically streamline Forest Service decision-making."

Such a push has emerged in draft legislation Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., and Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, unveiled last week. They propose putting federal forests more than 120 years old on the west side of the Cascades off-limits to logging.

That would expand reserves of older trees set aside by the 1994 Northwest Forest Plan. That Clinton administration compromise between logging and wildlife needs has bogged down amid lawsuits and rising calls for old-growth protection.

The proposed safeguards thrilled groups rallying to save remaining old growth. But the legislation includes a far different approach to forests in Idaho and around Bend and the rest of central and eastern Oregon and Washington.

In those drier forests of ponderosa and lodgepole pine, where wildfire is more common, local panels would identify logging projects that warrant "expedited" review because the cutting would thin forests left clogged by decades of firefighting. Such projects would then be exempt from citizen appeals that can slow logging.

Court cases would have to be decided with a presumption "in favor of" the logging projects. Environmental groups or others suing to stop cutting would have to show that their action would do as much as, or more than, the logging for "the ecological health of the forest and the social and economic well being of the community."

Environmental groups had awaited Wyden's old-growth measure for months, but they said its implications for the east side of the Cascades blindsided them.

"We were shocked to see it in there," said Jasmine Minbashian, coordinator of the Northwest Old Growth Campaign. A diverse group of activists met with Wyden in Portland on Monday to tell him the bill is unacceptable, she said.

"We had assurances no east-side language would be included," she said, "and we cannot support it this way."

Josh Kardon, Wyden's chief of staff, said the senator's aides never gave such assurances. He said the east-side approach was vital to gain the co-sponsorship of Idaho's Craig, a leading Republican senator who can help push the legislation past Congress and the Bush administration.

"It's unlikely Senator Craig would have agreed to this if we were not also addressing legitimate forestry concerns on the east side, which is, of course, where you'll find Idaho," Kardon said.

The measure may offer the last chance to save old growth west of the Cascades, he said, because the Bush administration has pledged to accelerate logging to meet original projections of the Northwest Forest Plan.

"Both sides (environmentalists and the timber industry) have ample clout to block any legislative effort," Kardon said. "If they want another decade of gridlock, forest destruction, erosion and habitat degradation, that will be their choice."

Sen. Gordon Smith and Rep. Greg Walden, both Oregon Republicans, wrote to U.S. Forest Service Chief Dale Bosworth last month asking him to rescind a rule that has barred logging of east-side trees larger than 21 inches in diameter since 1993.

The rule was meant to be temporary while land agencies completed a management plan for the Columbia River Basin but has remained in place long since, they said. Many trees have since grown past the 21-inch limit "and are, as a result of this limitation, increasing fuel loads in our national forests," they wrote.

Environmental groups said the largest trees develop thick bark that makes them the most fire-resistant and valuable for long-term forest health.

"If the goal is to reduce fire risk, you want to keep the older trees," Brownscombe said. "The Wyden bill in combination with the Walden-Smith letter is making a lot of groups nervous about what the Forest Service and Congress might do".


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: California; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: enviralists; senlarrycraig; senronwydendore; summerwildfires; wildfirescongress
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So will Congress start to reverse the rulings set up by the Clintoonians to make all of our forest Druid Cathedrals with no logging, no roads and no thinning of brush.

Or will the envirals win again with the power of the Mediots who serve the Watermelons of America?

1 posted on 08/06/2002 12:55:26 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: EBUCK; AuntB; Black Agnes; Granof8; Archie Bunker on steroids; blackie; dixiechick2000; wanderin
Those non important/minor and old news fires may have some impact with congress.
2 posted on 08/06/2002 12:58:32 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: farmfriend; WaterDragon; backhoe; madfly; brityank; *Enviralists
These non important fires in SW Oregon may have some impact on Congress.
3 posted on 08/06/2002 1:00:06 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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"Both sides (environmentalists and the timber industry) have ample clout to block any legislative effort," Kardon said. "If they want another decade of gridlock, forest destruction, erosion and habitat degradation, that will be their choice."
4 posted on 08/06/2002 1:05:09 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
The measure may offer the last chance to save old growth west of the Cascades, he said, because the Bush administration has pledged to accelerate logging to meet original projections of the Northwest Forest Plan.

Notice that the enviro-mafia got their wish with the Northwest Forest plan, but they couldn't even let that be. Right after it was passed they began filing court cases to prevent even the tiny remaining amount of logging that would have been permitted under the plan.

5 posted on 08/06/2002 1:09:49 PM PDT by Siegfried
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To: Grampa Dave
If they really give a damn about the forests, they'll demand thinning and road building so that there is a reasonable mix of all ages of trees. That mix will be species dependant; in some cases even age management works best. In any case, the mix needs to be economic. If less than 12 inches (or whatever) trees are not worth cutting, cut enough over that so the industry doesn't need subsidies to survive. Roads are needed to get the stuff out. Treatment and sensible placement for winter is not that hard to do... The siltation from a decent road is nothing compared to the mud flows that will hit this winter/spring due to the full burns.
6 posted on 08/06/2002 1:09:55 PM PDT by sasquatch
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To: Siegfried
Their goal was really no logging not even the removal of infected trees, dead trees or in the past two years trees dead from the fires they created.

If they had said their original goal was zero logging on all federal and state lands, they might have had a tough time getting it through Congress.

So they lied about it. Which is the cornerstone of the Eco Mafia. Lies and poor science are their main tools for the ultimate Rural Cleansing of America.
7 posted on 08/06/2002 1:17:08 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: sasquatch
We both know that they don't really give a damn about the health of the trees and forests. That is just a cover for their watermelon eco mafia scheme to stop all logging and then burn out half of America. They want rural cleansing of all of America, these tactics of theirs help them to reach that goal.

These watermelon eco mafia fascists are far more dangerous to the average American than the al Qaeda thugs are.
8 posted on 08/06/2002 1:20:22 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: sasquatch
You expect logic to work?????

Required link to the solution.

9 posted on 08/06/2002 1:37:13 PM PDT by farmfriend
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To: Grampa Dave
They propose putting federal forests more than 120 years old on the west side of the Cascades off-limits to logging.

Crapooollaaaa. Yah, let's give more land up to the virals, they've done such a good job on the East side they deserve a shot on the West side too.

EBUCK

10 posted on 08/06/2002 3:25:30 PM PDT by EBUCK
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PING
11 posted on 08/06/2002 3:57:08 PM PDT by madfly
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To: sasquatch
... The siltation from a decent road is nothing compared to the mud flows that will hit this winter/spring due to the full burns.

Quote of the day.

12 posted on 08/06/2002 4:20:50 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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. Such projects would then be exempt from citizen appeals that can slow logging. Court cases would have to be decided with a presumption "in favor of" the logging projects

I really like the sound of this, although I'm leary of giving up the west side.

said Jasmine Minbashian, coordinator of the Northwest Old Growth Campaign.

She and Kieran Suckling (from the ranch thread) should have a contest for weirdest eco-freak name. Where in the world do these pukes come from. Its similar to all the radical Islamic dudes, they all have one eye, no eyes or some other deformity.

13 posted on 08/06/2002 4:29:50 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: Grampa Dave
How about an executive order to clear-cut?
14 posted on 08/06/2002 4:37:22 PM PDT by attagirl
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Great job of gleaning out the gold in our battle with these scum bags:


Jasmine Minbashian and Kieran Suckling have to be two of the weirdest names I've heard ever associated with the mentally ill enviral whackos.
15 posted on 08/06/2002 4:42:12 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: attagirl
How about a congressional mandate to properly manage the forests, wilderness areas and the national parks?
16 posted on 08/06/2002 4:43:44 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: madfly
thanks for the ping
17 posted on 08/06/2002 5:03:54 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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I don't if it has been posted yet, I've been busy working in the back yard on my new deck.

Westfir is on standby evacuation notice.
18 posted on 08/06/2002 5:28:43 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Grampa Dave
ow about a congressional mandate to properly manage the forests, wilderness areas and the national parks

No argument there. I'm just wondering how much traction it will have. I personally think NOTHING will happen from any quarter. It's very frustrating to watch our country go up/down in flames.

19 posted on 08/06/2002 6:02:57 PM PDT by attagirl
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Souther Oregon:
The biggest industry here is pot growing. The "environmentals" don't want logging, roads, forest service personel, anyone, going into the forests. Around here if you go up into the mountains in your jeep or on horse back, you go armed. And never alone.
Walking through the trees used to be nice. Nowdays, you'll get fish hooks suspended on monofilament snagging your eyes if you do.
Personally, I just as soon we had an open season on the SOB's.
20 posted on 08/06/2002 6:28:47 PM PDT by OregonRancher
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