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Who actually received the most votes in Florida's 2000 presidential election?
Tallahassee Democrat ^ | Lance deHaven-Smith

Posted on 09/04/2002 5:43:28 AM PDT by do not delete

Al Gore. State election officials ultimately declared George W. Bush the winner by a margin of 537 votes, but during and after the election dispute, questions remained about the uncounted ballots of 175,010 voters, ballots that had been rejected by error-prone tabulating machines employed in many Florida counties. Confusion and conflict, much of it generated by partisan intrigue, prevented these ballots from being counted during the election controversy. However, in 2001 every uncounted ballot was carefully examined in a scientific study by the University of Chicago, which concluded that when all the votes were counted, more votes had been cast for Gore than for Bush.

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To: FreeTally
Not only holding them up but, I specifically recall seeing workers bending ballots, and picking at them.

I remember thinking "Wow.  Ballot Fraud is being nationally televised and none of the reporters are saying anything about it."

81 posted on 09/04/2002 8:52:27 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Coop
Algore Junior was credited with the popular vote nationally but the difference between the top two candidates, George W. Bush and Albertgore Junior was only 0.51%.

If they threw out 2-10% of the votes in your area, we will never know which candidate "really" got the popular vote. Since the popular vote does not determine the President, the exact figure/answer was not sought. Only states with electoral votes in contention were contested.

82 posted on 09/04/2002 8:53:48 AM PDT by weegee
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To: tcostell
I guess that the author believes that black people should not go to the polls to vote, just register once and all votes will automatically be asserted by the Rat bosses.

Might make a mistake otherwise and vote for a Republican.

83 posted on 09/04/2002 8:57:02 AM PDT by weegee
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To: do not delete
Go Lie!

84 posted on 09/04/2002 8:59:14 AM PDT by weegee
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To: do not delete
Q: Why were more errors like this made by Democrats than by Republicans?

A: The social characteristics of Florida Democrats. The two groups making the most errors were African Americans and seniors, who are core constituencies of the Florida Democratic Party. Seniors probably made errors because of weak eyesight and other physical limitations caused by aging. African Americans may have made errors because of the anxiety they are likely to feel at the polls, where in the not-very-distant past they would have routinely faced threats, violence, police harassment, and worse.

This pathetic excuse overlooks two factors.

1. Seniors, who Democrats might consider a "core constituency", actually gave their vote to Bush. Exit polling revealed a surprising edge for Bush in voters 65+.

2. Any black who explains a voting error as due to "anxiety" is making a truly pathetic excuse. And anybody who attributes any such broadspread errors by blacks to "anxiety" is obscenely patroninzing and disrespectful of blacks.

And, while we're at it, let's deal with this piece of crapola:

During the controversy, [the governor and his administration] collaborated either directly or through intermediaries with the legal and political advisers of George W. Bush to:...(2) bend the rules on absentee ballots to allow improperly marked absentee ballots to be counted;

The obvious reference is to the military absentee ballots. Florida state law reads that absentee ballots must be postmarked on or before election day. Overseas military ballots do not carry postmarks at all. Or, if they do, they are postmarked at the port-of-entry, when received and forwarded to Florida post offices.

Obviously, existing Florida statutes did not effectively deal with this situation. As a consequence, due to legal challenges concerning overseas absentee military ballots in prior elections, the state of Florida was operating under a consent decree which required the counting of these ballots regardless of an absent or out-of-date postmark! Instead, they were to rely on the customary affidavit enclosed, affirming that the ballot was filled out and cast by the deadline.

It's one thing for Professor DeHaven-Smith to assert the unproveable. It's quite another to assert that which is provably wrong!

85 posted on 09/04/2002 9:02:37 AM PDT by okie01
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To: Genaro
A little old lady standing next to the panel asked me what floor I wanted and I said "26". There was no "26" button so she pressed "20" and "6" and said to me "that ought to do it"

Next time just tell her to push "13" twice!

Doesn't Roky Erikson live on the 13th floor?

86 posted on 09/04/2002 9:05:22 AM PDT by weegee
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To: okie01
1. Seniors, who Democrats might consider a "core constituency", actually gave their vote to Bush. Exit polling revealed a surprising edge for Bush in voters 65+.

I was just about to mention this. Thank you.

87 posted on 09/04/2002 9:08:57 AM PDT by Coop
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To: BullDog108
Banned as well. These disrupters must be rookies to draw such attention to themselves.

Some liberal disrupters managed to survive for several months before losing their accounts (even when they held to the same old tired party lies about the election and other equally brain damaged ideas).

88 posted on 09/04/2002 9:13:05 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Free State Four
If I dump the oil from my V-8 suburban at an oil well, am I polluting?
89 posted on 09/04/2002 9:15:47 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Leisler
I hope that rifleman knew how to handle his weapon than Albert Gore Junior did...


90 posted on 09/04/2002 9:17:45 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Slip18
Yah, I see. The poster who started this has been banned. I'm surprised this thread is still here....
91 posted on 09/04/2002 9:34:43 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: Cyber Liberty
I honestly believe this is not the last we will see of these items as the election appraoches. Anything that can be done to mobilize the dem base will be done. Additionally, they are hoping that here in FL it really gets out the dem voters so that they can try to either (a) defeat Jeb or (b) look for yet another voting issue to rail about.
92 posted on 09/04/2002 9:40:40 AM PDT by BlueNgold
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To: Cyber Liberty
There is plenty of rebuke to the arguments. There are also a lot of humorous posts that some of us have seen (and some we haven't). Those keywords are great and I'll try to remember some of them for future threads.

The disrupter probably planned to send a least of few of his supporters over to witness his handiwork. The only (other?) support came from another first time poster who was immediately banned.

93 posted on 09/04/2002 10:00:53 AM PDT by weegee
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To: deleted
Your first day and you are already banned. Don't be so obvious the next time.
94 posted on 09/04/2002 10:10:44 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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To: TomGuy
Heck, they're still VOTING.
95 posted on 09/04/2002 10:12:05 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: weegee

96 posted on 09/04/2002 10:13:58 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: deleted
Related story:

Settlement Reached In Florida Voting Rights Case

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/744508/posts
97 posted on 09/04/2002 10:23:05 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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To: do not delete
NOW IN THIS RECOUNT, HOW MANY OF THE THOUSANDS OF MILITARY VOTES BILLDO'S ORDERS PREVENTED BEING COUNTED . . . WERE ACTUALLY FINALLY COUNTED???

What rubbish--Gore won the smell of his own farts. And that was too generous.
98 posted on 09/04/2002 10:28:15 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Genaro
True story: When I was in Palm Beach last year I entered an apartment complex unfamiliar to me and stepped onto the elevator. A little old lady standing next to the panel asked me what floor I wanted and I said "26". There was no "26" button so she pressed "20" and "6" and said to me "that ought to do it"

No WAY! This has to be the funniest thing I've read all day!

99 posted on 09/04/2002 1:10:06 PM PDT by paulklenk
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To: okie01
It's one thing for Professor DeHaven-Smith to assert the unproveable. It's quite another to assert that which is provably wrong!

Not only that, a federal court ruled in favor of counting those ballots which did not have post marks, but they were never included in the final count because the Supreme Court ruled that same day to stop the recounts. This guy is a first class hypocrit. One paragraph he is saying it is illegal to disallow a vote because of a technicallity and in the very next paragraph he is attacking republicans for trying to get military ballots allowed, which were disallowed on a technicallity.

100 posted on 09/04/2002 1:17:05 PM PDT by Always Right
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