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Battle of Thermopylae
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Posted on 11/15/2002 2:10:24 PM PST by Sparta

Thermopylae

The Greeks realized that it was only a matter of time before the Persians came back. Darius died in 494 BCE, six years after Marathon. His son, Xerxes, would continue his work. The empire had already expanded as far south, north, and east as possible. The only way to go was west, and conquer Europe. The plan was formulated to invade Greece and Greek Sicily before raiding the rich Italian peninsula.

Xerxes started a large buildup of his army and supplies. He sent slaves to cut a canal through the peninsula at Mount Athos so that his fleet would not meet the same fate as his father’s ships. He had a bridge built across the Hellespont for the army to march across. This was done by lining up boats and connecting them with a bridge. The first attempt was destroyed in a storm, which cost the engineers their lives. The second attempt was successful.

Among the Persians was Demaratus. He had been a king of Sparta until he was exiled on false charges. He had served as an advisor to Xerxes in military matters in Asia Minor, but Xerxes did not seem to believe his advice when it came to the Greeks. Xerxes questioned Demaratus about the Greeks. Xerxes wondered if the Greeks would fight or surrender, considering their small number when compared to the might of Persia. Demaratus informed the King that the Spartans would give battle even if they had only a thousand men to take the field. Xerxes questioned this, asking if the Spartans were such men that they could expect to take on ten men each. Demaratus replied "One-against-one, they are as good as anyone in the world. But when they fight together, they are the best of all. For though they are free men, they are not entirely free. They accept the Law as their master. And they respect this master more than your subjects respect you. Whatever the Law commands, they do. And this command never changes: It forbids them to flee in battle, whatever the number of their foes. He requires them to stand firm – to conquer or die."

The Greeks were well aware that the Persians were building up a massive army. Many of the Greek city-states allied with the Persians to prevent their own destruction, especially those closest to Persia such as Thessaly and Macedonia. Athens got a bit of luck when they discovered a new vein of silver. Instead of dividing the profits with their citizens, Thermistocles convinced the assembly to invest the money in building up the navy. They were able to build and man two hundred additional triremes with the money.

A combined Greek army marched north to try to head off the Persian army in Thessaly at the Pass of Tempe, but they determined that the plain was too wide and it would be too difficult to defend against the Persian cavalry and superior numbers. They decided to pull their armies back.

Representatives from all of the Greek city-states that had not allied with Persia met at Corinth to determine the strategy. The city-states from Peloponnesia, including Sparta, wanted to form a defensive line at the isthmus near Corinth. The city-states east and north of this line wanted a defensive line further north. Thermistocles argued that if Athens fell then the Persians would use their navy to go around the defensive line. He argued that an army at Thermopylae would bottle up the Persians and eliminate the effectiveness of their numbers. Thermopylae was at a narrow stretch of land only 50 feet wide from the cliffs to the sea. Thermopylae took its name from the hot springs there that tourists would come to visit. The narrow pass would not be wide enough for the massive Persian army to out flank them, and it would prevent the use of the Persian Calvary. The Greek navy would protect the army’s flank from the Persian navy. Thermistocles even went to the step of putting the command of the army and navy under Spartan command if King Leonidas would lead the combined army.

Leonidas went back to Sparta to ask for dispensation for the Spartan army to miss the approaching religious holiday, Carneia. The Ephors refused the dispensation. They did not agree that the line should be so far north, but favored a defensive line at Corinth. Furthermore, they received an oracle from Delphi that either Sparta would mourn the loss of a King, or find their city sacked. Under Spartan Law, King Leonidas was allowed to march with his Royal Bodyguard of 300 soldiers without needing dispensation. He planned to march out with his 300 and meet up with allies. They would block the pass until the holiday was over and the rest of the Spartan army would meet them. He realized that it was essentially a suicide mission. The 300 were chosen from men who already had a male heir so that no family lines would die out. As he started the march his wife, Gorgo, met him and asked what she should do. He told her "To marry good men and bear good children."

The Spartans met up with allies along the way to increase their numbers to 7000 soldiers (estimates vary from 4,000 to 8,000). At Thermopylae there was an ancient wall built by the Phoecians to prevent raids from Thessaly, but it was now fallen apart. Leonidas immediately went about rebuilding the wall. He also sent a contingent of local Greeks to protect a goat path that went around the position. He was concerned that if the Persians found out about the track then they would be able to come around behind them and outflank them.

The Persians saw the wall being rebuilt but were not concerned by such a small force. They were more concerned with regrouping their army. The Persian army was so large (estimates vary, but about 200,000-250,000 is most agreed upon) that it took 5 days for the back to catch up with the front. They were literally drinking rivers dry. A spy was sent to see the defenses of the Greeks. The spy could not see past the wall, but was surprised to see the Spartans in front of the wall, combing their hair and doing gymnastics.

An envoy went to the Spartans to warn them to surrender. They explained that there were so many Persian archers that when the fired their arrows blotted out the sun. Leonidas responded "How pleasant then, if we’re going to fight them in the shade." Xerxes waited for five days expecting that the small Greek army would turn in flight as they saw the size of the Persian army opposing them. But the Greeks did not flee.

The first day of battle was mid August 480 BC. It started with the Medes attacking the Greeks in the Pass. The Greeks were able to defeat the Medes either by weapon, or by pushing them off the cliff into the sea. When there seemed to be a stalemate the Spartans would start to run back as if fleeing in fear. The enemy would run after them only to find the Spartans wheeling around and slaughtering more. At the back of the Persian line the commanders were whipping their men to storm forward. The Mede line grew thin and Xerxes sent in a second army, the Cissians, who did not fare any better than the Medes. Three times Xerxes is said to have jumped to his feet for concern over his army. As the first day ended the Greeks were still in the pass and many Persians were dead.

On the second day Xerxes sent another envoy to the Spartans. He told them that Xerxes had great respect for their courage and ability. If they put down their weapons and march away then Xerxes will let them live, and would place them at the head of the Persian army, as it’s first unit. When the envoy asked what answer he should give Xerxes Leonidas told him "Molon labe"-- come and take them. Xerxes proceeded to send in the 10,000 Immortals, his best troops commanded by his brother, Hydarnes. Like the Spartans, they were professional disciplined soldiers. But they did not have the armor and weapons to match the Greeks. Again, the results were the same, at the end of the day the Greeks still held the pass, but Xerxes had lost a brother and many of the Immortals. Now the whole Persian army was demoralized to see the crack Immortals defeated.

A traitor, Ephialtes, told Xerxes about the goat path. Xerxes had the traitor lead the Immortals around the path. He expected that the Immortals would be in position behind the army by noon the next day. Leonidas found out that the track was discovered. He dispatched most of the Greek troops to go back and wait for the next battle. The Thebians refused to leave and were given the position to protect the goat path. The Spartans would not withdraw. By this time many of the 300 Spartans were already injured or dead. Leonidas sent several back as messengers to save their lives. A couple of the older ones sensed what Leonidas was doing and refused to go, saying that they were a soldier and not a messenger. Two of the Spartans had lost their vision due to infection. One insisted on fighting anyway and was led blind into the battle. The other was led back to Sparta and soon regained his vision, but was treated by some as a coward. He proved his valor in the battle of Plataea, but was considered too reckless at that battle. Spartans believed that a man’s valor should keep him solid in the line, neither allowing him to run back as a coward, nor leave the line forward in recklessness. Either action would leave a hole in the line and endanger the other Spartans.

On the third day the remaining Spartans attacked with the aim to do as much damage as they could. Leonidas was killed and there was a fight to retrieve his body. The Spartans finally retrieved his body and retreated to a small hillock nearby. The Immortals found the Thebians unprepared on the path and quickly killed them. They came through the gate to surround the Spartans. Xerxes did not wish to risk further casualties and ordered his archers forward. Volleys of arrows finally killed the Spartans.

After the battle the body of Leonidas was identified. He was decapitated and his head put on a stake. The bodies of the Persian dead were quickly buried to hide the fact that so many were killed by such a small group. In all, about 1,000 - 2,000 Greeks died, while the Persians lost more than 20,000.


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To: DManA
Athenian craftsmen and foreign materials, plus some ship architects from other lands. I still don't see how being paid for the construction of military materiel is anything but moral.
101 posted on 11/17/2002 12:28:43 AM PST by Lizard_King
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To: MichiganMan
What is it about the Spartans? I mean, it was like sixth grade, and I loved that movie, wasn't it with Stephen Boyd? The Steve Reeves movies were good, but the 300 Spartans, this was an actual event.

Then, almost forty years later, I find this book Gates of Fire in line at the market, and same deal - I can't put it down, it was awesome. So of course I have to get Bagger Vance next, which turns out to be Siddartha in knickers.

Guess I'll have to pick up that Tides of War now - right after I finish Timeline by Crichton (look out! Could be the next Jurassic Park!)

102 posted on 11/17/2002 12:46:14 AM PST by onehipdad
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To: Sparta
Ping me please. I love reading military history.
103 posted on 11/17/2002 12:58:45 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: IoCaster
I've seen the marker placed by the Greeks at the pass. It's very moving. I loved the "300 Spartans" movie when I was kid ( although I no longer want to be one now that I know the somewhat bizarre apprenticeship they underwent).
105 posted on 11/17/2002 1:49:13 AM PST by Kozak
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To: Verginius Rufus
All the stuff on allele similarities is recent. At the moment science is shifting toward the Jews having been, in the earliest times after Sinai a Semitic speaking Kurdish population. There are others.

Typically, when a bunch of guys, let's say long distance traders, come into an area and acquire wives (however that might be done), it is the language of the mothers that will be handed down to the children. Abraham, et al, were long distance traders. They came to a Semitic speaking area. They acquired wives. Their descendants speak a Southern Semitic language. Maybe they are from Yemen? That's on the trade route Abraham followed.

We can know none of this with certainty, but you cannot exclude a Kurdish origin for any group in the Middle-East.

106 posted on 11/17/2002 8:52:05 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Verginius Rufus
The two most closely related Indo-European languages still in any level of use are Lithuanian and Sanskrit (in its cognate form used by the Drom, or Romany). Lithuanian has more conjugations and declensions than any extant language other than ancient Greek.

Presumably ancient Greek, Lithuanian, Romany and Sanskrit have a common origin among the same people in the same place. More recently they have even demonstrated the way Gaelic derives directly from Greek (which is no surprise to anyone who ever wondered why all the sea-going Celts recorded events and bills in Greek), and how other Indo-European languages in both the centum and satem group derive directly from those two languages.

None of these languages has more than 3,000 years of separation! With trips back home to acquire wives, the blood ties are probably even closer, so don't write off the Semitic speakers just yet - sure, they've picked up some African words, just like Southerners use "tote" rather than "carry", and "carry" rather than "take", but the core grammar is akin to all the other languages once spoken around the much smaller shoreline of the BLACK LAKE.

They are even working out the probable connection with the Uralic-Altaic group as well.

The Medes are not different than the modern Kurds, and the Persians would appear to be nothing more than Medes who learned to live indoors a little earlier than their relatives. Going back up that trail to Bulgaria, the Medes and the proto-Gaelic speakers (from which all the others descend) are not very different at all. I think at present the only question is who discovered steel first. Remember, the most ancient Irish written, but supposedly mythical, records, reflect a life spent in the Eastern Mediterranian and the Black Seas a mere 2700 years ago! There is no doubt they were there earlier, and not at a very different time than were the Medes, Persians, and Sanskrit speakers who relocated to the Indus Valley.

107 posted on 11/17/2002 9:07:46 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Sparta
They were defeated through the actions of a treasonous Greek. We've already had a number of Americans of the same ilk. How many others are there or will there be?
108 posted on 11/17/2002 10:41:46 AM PST by fella
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To: Dumb_Ox
Thanx for the bookmark.
109 posted on 11/17/2002 10:49:50 AM PST by fella
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To: MichiganMan
I've been looking at Clinton as our own Alcibiades for some time.
110 posted on 11/17/2002 10:58:12 AM PST by fella
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To: Sparta
Hi Sparta, please put me on your ping list. And thanks for it.
111 posted on 11/17/2002 11:06:50 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Sparta
Put me on that ping list, dude!

Thanks for the read

Pookie & ME

112 posted on 11/17/2002 11:37:26 AM PST by Pookie Me
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To: fella
I've been looking at Clinton as our own Alcibiades for some time.

See, I looked at it from the other direction, I saw Alicibiades as a cross between Clinton and Alexander the Great. He was a soldier of great skill and leadership abilities, ala Alexander. He shared with Clinton his ally-cat morals and egocentric mercenary nature. He had both men's charisma and boundless ambition.

Notice how of the three men, despite all the other characteristics they shared, only one (Alexander for those playing at home) could possibly be attributed with a sense of morality and ethics, slanderous revisionist allegations notwithstanding, and its only that one that is admired by history. Alcibiades is a known villain, and I think we all know historians 100 years from now will be taking a dim view of Clinton.

113 posted on 11/18/2002 4:32:17 AM PST by MichiganMan
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To: Sparta
Surely you mean hordes ...
114 posted on 11/18/2002 4:42:08 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Sparta
Because Ancient Greece is the birthplace of our Western ideals(capitalism, respect for civil liberties, consentual government, scientific reasoning, the right to live as you please).

I can hardly wait til you get to Epaminondas...

115 posted on 11/18/2002 4:44:42 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Publius6961
My mistake.
116 posted on 11/18/2002 4:45:25 AM PST by Sparta
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To: Publius6961
Thanks for the suggestion.
117 posted on 11/18/2002 4:47:59 AM PST by Sparta
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To: muawiyah
As soon as you bring Spartans into the story, which you do when you refer to "Greeks", you are no longer dealing with "free men".

If you were to follow the thread of history a bit longer you will see things evolve somewhat...
When the uncouth farmers of what Hanson calls the "San Joaquin Valley" of ancient Greece put their peculiar spin on the subject.

Things do improve, for the purists.

118 posted on 11/18/2002 4:54:11 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: muawiyah
Remarkable!.

James Carville would be proud.

That is world-class spin and classic revisionism

The fact remains that the longest lasting most powerful force in history, culturally, scientifically, politically and socially, is traceable to the Greeks.

Deal with it.

119 posted on 11/18/2002 5:00:39 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Sparta
Great post...

From my profile page:

"Go tell the Spartans, thou that passest by,
That faithful to their precepts here we lie."
The words of Simonides of Ceos (556-468 BC) on the shrine of King Leonidas and his 300 Spartans after the Battle of Thermopylae in 480 BC

We would do well to emulate the Spartan will, honor, courage, dedication, and sense of duty to our comrades, and to the Republic. If tempered with Christian faith, dedication, and love for others, we can move mountains...

Inward-looking and self-sufficient, the Spartans were the most feared hoplites (infantrymen) in all Greece. They lived an austere life, despising any sort of luxury, in a city that contained neither walls, nor grand buildings.

Famous quotes and anecdotes associated with the Spartans:

Herodotus reports that just before the Battle of Thermoplyae, a Spartan warrior named Dienekes was told that the Persian archers could blank out the sun with their arrows. He replied "Good, then we shall have our battle in the shade."

A Sybarite, who ate at a public mess, once remarked: "Now I know why the Spartans do not fear death."

Asked what was the greatest benefit Lycurgus conferred on his countryman, King Agesilaus replied "Contempt of pleasure."

"Come back with your shield - or on it" (Plutarch, Mor.241) was supposed to be the parting cry of mothers to their sons. Mothers whose sons died in battle openly rejoiced, mothers whose sons survived hung their heads in shame.

Asked why it was dishonorable to return without a shield and not without a helmet, the Spartan king, Demaratos (510 - 491) is said to have replied: "Because the latter they put on for their own protection, but the shield for the common good of all." (Plutarch, Mor.220)

An old man wandering around the Olympic Games looking for a seat was jeered at by the crowd until he reached the seats of the Spartans, whereupon every Spartan younger than him, and some that were older, stood up and offered him their seat. The crowd applauded and the old man turned to them with a sigh, saying "All Greeks know what is right, but only the Spartans do it."

120 posted on 11/18/2002 5:01:22 AM PST by g'nad
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