CIA Releases New 'Noah's Ark' Documents

Insight Mag ^ | Nov. 13, 2002 | Timothy W. Maier

[VaBthang4]

"It's a mess and always will be...No doubt about that."

I completely disagree. Soon....it will be straightened out.

"But like I said, if they had fought-it-out a couple of hundred years ago (Or more) and someone had established boundaries"

Boundaries were established....by God himself. The Jews and observant Christians acknowledge it...the unbelieving World doesnt.

"But then again, just the presence of the three major religions (Not to mention all the others who call Jerusalem home) pretty much assures conflict...Forever."

Just off of that alone [3 major religions] would in the natural cause me to think it wouldnt last forever. Christians and Jews believe the same thing where this subject is concerned. Islam is the Johnny Come Lately outcast...it remains in Israel under the grace of the other two.

[Johnny Shear]

Boundaries were established....by God himself.

Islam is the Johnny Come Lately outcast...

And there's the problem...

You bash Islam...Muslims bash you...You all believe you have God on your side, and the rest of the world pays for it.

It's too bad we can't just put you all on an island and let you fight it out, and then let God sort that out. The rest of us sure would be spared a lot of greif.

[VaBthang4]

"You all believe you have God on your side, and the rest of the world pays for it."

It is the story of life....if you havent gotten over it by now then you wont. flight-of-fancy daydreaming about it wastes everyone's time.

Ex: "It's too bad we can't just put you all on an island and let you fight it out..."

"and then let God sort that out."

Implies God isnt already doing that.

"The rest of us sure would be spared a lot of greif."

The rest of the world is the minority when it comes to belief systems versus athiest, excuse makers or the iniquity types [Actually all three are one]. I'd rather choose a side and get in the fight versus critique it from the sidelines.

:o)

[usurper]

I would not waist my time on Whitney again. I did it 10 years ago. We departed from the west side of the Sierras at Mineral King and trekked through the upper Kern River area which featured a welcome hot spring. We hiked up the back side (West) of Whitney spent the night on the summit and then came down east side. It was a nice trip but the mountain and the hordes of people were a disappointment.

I recently said go by to California and moved to the northwest. I have not had time to do any climbing but the skiing and golf is magnificent. I was recently in Oroville, WA during the salmon run and could not believe the size of the fish. They looked like baby dolphins. Next year I am going to mercilessly pursue them.

Take care and pray for snow.

[RetiredArmy]

Send Dr.Jones to look for it in Part 4 of Indiana Jones, Search for the missing PT 109. Oh, that is a different vessel isn't it.

[Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy]

Wow. Religious fundamentalists seem determined to make themselves look foolish. Dinosaurs on the Ark; the entire globe covered in water. Yawn.

Anyway, who says this is Noah's Ark? I say it's Utnapishtim's Ark, as testified by the epic of Gilgamesh, which predates the Bible by a few thousand years. The "Old Testament" Bible is just a collection of old Babylonian and Sumerian myths collected by Jewish scholars during the period of Persian rule, reinterpreted by them under the then newfangled "monotheism" (or dualism) of the then new and dominant "revealed" religion of Zoroaster. Judaism as we know it is old Israelite polytheism reinterpreted with ideas copied from the Zoroastrians, and later from Greek philosophy. Nothing original here. Time to move on.

[Lady Heron]

?Approximately 99 percent of scientists accept the theory of evolution. They don't "believe" in it or have "faith" in it, they support it because of all the evidence in its favor.

Sorry, I have studied the so-called evidence in favor of evolution. Not much there. Mostly made up or later proven wrong. Much more evidence against evolution.

[Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy]

This article reads like a fund raising pamphlet aimed at gullible fundamentalist Christians (but I repeat myself). Someone is going to make a mint huckstering expeditions to find "Noah's Ark" which will somehow never produce anything except more appeals for more funding.

G.K. Chesterton got it completely backwards: those who believe in some things will believe in almost anything, provided it reinforces their belief. Tertullian's "I believe it because it is absurd" hits closer to the mark.

[DoctorMichael]

..........hordes of people were a disappointment...........

I had heard one of the worst parts about the Whitney hike was the numbers of people...............also this was why all my trips were from the East. Its kind of ironically ridiculous to be standing in line with 50 other people at a Ranger Station trying to get a permit for a trailhead so that you can get-away-from-it-all and get some peace and quiet. >>>>LOL<<<<

Thats why for the last couple of years I have spent my precious vacation time in Montana. Lo population, hard to get to and out of the way, and lots of mountains. Hey, if 'ol Ted "The Unabomber" Kazinski can disappear there, you can too!

Try the Beartooths, you'll thank me later ;-) I wish I could get my buddy who lives in Helena to do Granite Peak (down the East end of the Beartooth Wilderness), but he's got a wife and kids to worry about and is definitely NOT young and stupid anymore.

[RipSawyer]

I decided long ago that it is an endless thought maze. People will say that God suspended all sorts of natural laws to allow the story of the Ark to be true but if that is the case why an Ark at all? Why a flood at all? Why didn’t God just destroy all the evil ones with a wave of his finger and leave the ones he wanted to save? Why drown millions of innocent animals that were not on the Ark to get rid of evil humans? There are no real answers. Children are taught that God created man in his own image but much of the old testament attributes very human emotions, anger, jealousy etc. to the creator who is supposed to be the only perfect being. How can a perfect creator be a jealous god?

[SunkenCiv]

Note: this topic is from 11/21/2002. Thanks Ready2go.

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[SunkenCiv]

Note: this topic is from 11/21/2002. Thanks Ready2go.

[xzins]

However, what in the world could possibly cause those records still to be classified? Cause them ever to have been classified?

[Little Ray]

All you need to know is the novel “Declare” by Tim Powers!

http://smile.amazon.com/Declare-Novel-Tim-Powers/dp/0062221388/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1433116008&sr=8-1&keywords=Declare

[Nowhere Man]

There also is a story related by some spanish explorers. They landed at a previously uncharted island and discovered a tribe of people living there that had a markedly "Norse" look to them. Blonde Hair, fair skin, blue eyes. (Not sure of the exact details). This group of people spoke a dialect that the spanish had never heard before. These tribesmen made it clear to the Spanish that they were quite surprised to see other men, as their legends and history spoke of a great deluge that wiped out the entire population of the earth except for them. Unfortunately the Spanish ended up wiping this tribe from the face of the earth. Not sure where the island is but it's one of the more commonly known islands in the Caribbean today.

I think it was the Canary Islands IIRC. My paternal grandmother was interested in a lot of paranormal stories, UFO's, "forbidden history," and so on. I do remember reading about it in one of her magazines or books when I was a kid. She was a member of the Edgar Cayce Society. My other grandmother was interested in things like this too, she was big into the ancient Egyptians, astronomy and so forth.

I know when I was little, I was slow in developing social skills but very interested in science where Mom and both grandmothers fostered my interests in space, astronomy, paranormal, shortwave listening and police scanning which today I have an amateur radio license. I was tested as a kid and was on the autism spectrum, most likely if tested today, I would have Aspergers.

Getting back to the subject at hand, I always thought the Great Food might have been responsible for things like the North Sea covering Doggerland off of The UK and Netherlands along with the strait connecting Florida to Cuba perhaps. Had history stayed the same (most likely not but for sake of argument) WWII would have proven interesting with Doggerland, doubly so if it remained connected to Europe and the Cuban Missile Crisis if Cuba was still hooked to Florida.

[Nowhere Man]

You have failed to properly recognize that PUGS make up an entire species of their own,

Only because the other dogs refuse to breed with them...

Well, one of my friends had a dog who was half pug and half terrier mutt although from the looks, he looked all pug to me. Genetics is fascinating.

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

I just want to know what’s there. The Turks are making it very hard to find out. Eh?

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

“If God wanted to fit the planet Jupiter in the watch pocket of my blue jeans, He could do it.”

You’d walk with a serious list!

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

“he dogs evolved from cats doncha know? “

I think you mean “devolved” from cats.