shocking propaganda against France

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[PierreEsbaillart]

I am very shocked by the current propaganda against France and, in a minor extent, Germany and the EU, which is developing on the American web and media. As we are some "old Europe" countries, let me tell you that some elements of this propaganda remind me of the atmosphere that existed between European peoples of 1914-18 : the Frenchman is the USA's Jew, the traitor, the coward, which plants knives in the back. These are paranoid ideas. Bush has declared "you are with us or you are against us"… your enemies are "evil's axis"… A deeply thought political theory which reminds me of older simplistic speeches. Believe the experience of "old Europe", who knows a lot about the matter, and is not proud of it : your war has already begun, you're under propaganda, and rational arguments don't prevail any more.

France was on the Gulf ten years ago, when Irak invaded its neighbour, and when the coalition was covered by the UN to free Kuwait.

According to the NATO alliance, France made clear during the first hours after the 11th September that it was ready to respect its engagements if necessary.

But with the future Anglo-Saxon crusade against Bagdad, things are very different. The OTAN was a defensive alliance against the Pact of Varsovia. To be an ally of the USA doesn't mean to give its allegiance to the USA. It means, in case of aggression by another state, that solidarity becomes effective. Irak has not yet attacked anyone. NATO should have nothing to do with "preventive wars".

Can't you all simply understand this : as you are so powerful, rich, and influent, it's more courageous for France to refuse to engage in this war. There will be retaliation against France for such an attitude. To send a few planes in the Gulf and drop a few bombs, just like the UK or Italy, would have been so simple for France.

French people are not the stupid blind nationalists that your propaganda is pretending they are. French people know they have lost their weight in international politics. But they don't want to abandon their sovereignty to an other organisation than the European union. Is it so scandalous that they want to be free and independent ?

Well, it's true that "we are not with you". Because this is not a war for Irak's freedom and democracy. This is not even a war against terrorism ; this war will create thousands of new terrorists full of hate for America. A government only makes war for its own interest. This war is for the Iraki oil, and to be more independent of Saudi Arabia, the country of the 11th September terrorists, where Al Qaida money comes from. It's a war to completely change the Middle-East and so the world-wide energetic map. I find logical for the USA to defend their interests. The powerful countries have always acted like this. It's cynic and amoral, but, somehow, "natural". But stop talking about democracy, and the Good against Evil. This is not Starwars. This is not a Tolkien's story.

S. Hussein is a dictator, he has massacred and tortured. He probably owns and surely has owned chemical and biological weapons. But what about Libya, Iran, North Korea, China in Tibet, Russia in Chechnya, Israel in Palestine, etc… ? If democracy in Irak is the aim, why does it become urgent right now ? Were the Afghans free when the Talibans were installed to stabilise a country where pipe-lines had to go through ?

France is a traitor, France is isolated - isolated with the rest of the world except the OTAN. That's what your leaders need to make you believe because they don't want you to know that you have mainly a simple Anglo-Saxon coalition. OTAN : approximately 20 countries with the new eastern members - less France, Germany, and Benelux. The rest of the world : Asia, Africa, South America, the Middle East… And the rest of the world fears you but it doesn't love you.

Is it so necessary for the USA to crush all possibility of counterbalancing power ? Do they complain about the treason of an ally or the independence of one of their own "satellite countries" ? They have succeeded in being hated by the whole Moslem world - which owns the main oil reserves. Is it so enjoyable that they now need to invective and humiliate the western European countries trying to build their political union ? Do they love so much to be hated ?

To conclude, here's the dream your government is currently destroying by its politics in western Europe - it was made by an "old", "disloyal", "nationalist", "chauvinist" Frenchman (even a bit socialist, what a monster ! …) :

"Un jour viendra où vous, France, vous, Russie, vous, Angleterre, vous, Allemagne, vous toutes, nations du continent, sans perdre vos qualités distinctes et votre glorieuse individualité, vous vous fondrez étroitement dans une unité supérieure et vous constituerez la fraternité européenne, absolument comme la Bretagne, la Bourgogne, la Lorraine, l'Alsace se sont fondues dans la France […]. Un jour viendra où l'on verra ces deux groupes immenses, les Etats-Unis d'Amérique, les Etats-Unis d'Europe, placés en face l'un de l'autre, se tendant la main par-dessus les mers, échangeant leurs produits, leur commerce, leur industrie, leurs arts, leurs génies, défrichant le globe, colonisant les déserts, améliorant la création sous le regard du Créateur."

VICTOR HUGO, 1849.

(The day will come when you, France, you, Russia, you, England, you, Germany, all of you, nations of the continent, without losing your distinct qualities and your glorious individualities, you will melt closely into a superior unity and you will constitute the European brotherhood, absolutely as Brittany, Burgundy, Lorraine, Alsace have melted into France […]. The day will come when we'll see those two huge groups, the United States of America, the United States of Europe, facing each other, offering hand beyond the seas, exchanging their products, their commerce, their industry, their arts, their genius, clearing the globe, colonising the deserts, improving the creation under the look of the Creator.)

[Leisler]

I can't take credit. I read it and just am passing it on. Kind of along the lines of kicking a snake along the road. The French work hard for their contempt, and should be rewarded.

[americanbychoice]

Will you please tell me the top 5 oil exporting countries that ship to the U.S.?
Give you a hint, Kuweit is not one of them.

[Eva]

Most Americans feel that France is trying to cover up their own selfish instincts with their cowardly phoney morality. There is much evidence that France has been selling Iraq banned merchandise, including materials which could be used for weapons of mass destruction. The French haven't considered anyone but themselves since Lafayette helped George Washington.

[AdamSelene235]

You didn't? Funny are all those troops there on vacation?

Would you prefer it was occupied by Iraq and the profits funneled into smallpox,anthrax and nukes?

And Dick Chaney wasn't elected president of Halliburton; it’s all a big dream... The rest of the world live in ignorans ...

I'm sorry are you saying Cheney is *currently* the VP ?

[OneLoyalAmerican]

Greetings Karl B, FReepers, et al:

While playing in the sandbox twelve years ago, I decided to make my visit an education. Learning to speak read an write the language brought be in close contact with Middle Eastern Culture. They are a wonderful people, and I harbor no ill will for the Iraqi people.

But let there be no mistake, everyone lives in fear of Saddam Hussein. Only a fool would think otherwise.

Axis of weasel France has no stomach for a pre-emptive strike; for she is guilt ridden over her cowardly attack upon the Rainbow Warrior in Auckland Harbor.

[Pagey]

"...But with the future Anglo-Saxon crusade against Bagdad..."

I really take exception to this french piece of dirt alluding that action in Iraq is equivalent to the Crusades.If he learned anything in school, he'd know that it was 'Muslim Aggression' that created the Crusades. Contrary to Most Leftist Historians Drivel, the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression—an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands. So get that fact straight in your head, you leftist skunk.We're not trying to throw religion down anybodys throat.The fact that you think that we are, is simply asinine.Submitting an article such as this, w/out regard to the facts,appears to be consistent with your countries weak past behavior.

[Pagey]

State the Facts as they truly are next time Pierre. BUMP

[HamiltonJay]

But they don't want to abandon their sovereignty to an other organisation than the European union

That statement alone shows just how pathetically lacking in sovereignty you are.... please rationalize your cowardice elsewhere.

[Johnny Gage]

You and all your EU butt buddies can go to H3ll!

Nothing but a bunch of cheese eating, wine sippin, beret wearin, smelly, showerless, surrender monkeys.

I've got a gift for ya Pierre ol' buddy:

[americanbychoice]

It could be that the Muslims have already more power in france than we think? After all, in order to appease them France announced that they will build Mosques for them now.
(By the way, that is true) LOL

[capitan_refugio]

"All the "finer" points of French character were displayed at Dien Bien Phu, the French troops fought bravely, but were doomed by their "leaders" ignorance, arrogance , and tacit racism."

In his book, Lt. Gen. Davidson reports that near the end of the Battle of Dien Bein Phu, "3,000 to 4,000 men out of the 10,000 man garrison had become internal deserters, the so-called 'Rats of the Nam Yum,' who did not fight, but who did devour precious non-military supplies, particularly food."

On May 7, 1954, the Viet Minh made the final push into the main camp at Dien Bien Phu. It had been a particularly bloody firefight that ended by about 1730 hours. However, at firebase Isabelle, about 2 miles south of the main camp, the defenders attempted a night break out down the Nam Yum River. Most of the garrison was cut down in the valley, but 70 men made it out to French bases in Laos.

It was the beginning of the end of the French Empire. By the time they lost Algeria in 1962 it was all but over. The French have never regained their national pride.

[Pagey]

"After all, in order to appease them France announced that they will build Mosques for them now"

Please,Please tell me you're joking.That is really an unnecessary act for any country to take.Were you really serious? It's France for gods sake, I shouldn't be surprised ,right?If they're really doing this, this should be on the TV news!

[americanbychoice]

Unfortunately, it is true.

[TigersEye]

All Frenchies should be required to memorize this thread before gaining admittance to the U.S.

[chilepepper]

Snails with ketchup -- YUM!

[SunkenCiv]

Chirac lobbies the Turks to deny US bases and overflight rights
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/865050/posts