I have never seen a smoking thread in which your dumbass didn't pop up from the safety of your romper room.
This is for you 
crybaby.
Posted on 03/08/2003 10:36:34 AM PST by Im4Starr
I'm putting together anything and everything I can get my hands on to stop the smoking nazi's from continuing to vilify smokers. I'm looking for articles, images, documentation, etc.
A futile effort, perhaps, but I don't want to be silent on this issue.
You found the post, but she couldn't?
You must be one of the "smart kids." ;-)
Wouldn't it be simpler (and less costly to liberty) to not presume to lecture other adults on their personal likes and dislikes?
Interesting comments. Not true, but interesting. Let's see, you smoke outside unless you're with other smokers. Okay, that's what we want--SOME places where we, along with other smokers, are welcome. At the owner's discretion. The "majority of litter on the side of a road" is not cigarette butts, and regardless what you've been told ad nauseum, butts ARE biodegradable. Truly indestructible plastics are the major source of litter nationwide. Of course, you could count the butts, I guess, and get more in number than dirty diapers, but volume-wise, there's no contest.
Time for smokers to take some responsibility.
Time for ALL LITTERERS to take responsibility. At least smokers pay for the clean up of their littering through the excess taxes they pay, unlike all those other slobs.
At the moment, there is no unification, just fractious groups here and there trying on their own to stop this.And no one wants to take the first step. Some groups feel that if they are going to foot the bill to fight this, they don't want the other groups to benefit without contributing money. Other groups don't have the funds to fight back.
Remember we're dealing with Bloomberg and his cronies. They have been given chapter and verse on the studies that refute the 2nd hand smoke claims, etc. and they flatly refuse to even acknowledge a counter-claim. Ironically, Bloomberg used to smoke. You'd think that based on his own experience, if he doesn't have health problems, that should be enough evidence.
The argument by the pundits, legislators, et al is that it's an "irrefutable health issue". Period.
Your comment "Government should protect the public from things the public cannot assess for themselves, like the temperature of the refrigerator or the cleanliness of the kitchen. It is NOT now and never has been government's right or mandate to protect the public from itself. is the best argument so far. But unfortunately, that is common sense and we're dealing with sheep, not common sense people.
I'm at my wits end here, I know it's going to require creativity, money and a unified front to fight this. And right now, it looks pretty bleak. I will continue with my research and contact the appropriate parties to see what can be done.
As always, help is greatly appreciated.
I'm surrounded by smart kids!
Smoke only permiates because it can be seen and its obviously there perfume is just that [FUMES] and they can really stink alot worse than any smoke from a cigarette
Because smoking for me anyway is better than wiping animal feces and urine on myself in order to smell like something im not!
At least if im smoking its easier to get that smell off and just maybe the only thing ill attract is another smoker ! ive met some fine fine people in a smoking designated areas and to my recolection none of them were bathing in stinkwater.
I have never seen a smoking thread in which your dumbass didn't pop up from the safety of your romper room.
This is for you crybaby.
"So I guess you would have also fought the introduction of health inspectors into restaurants."Yes. They are government employees, and are the high cost low quality provider. I would prefer a private industry sticker on the door like Underwriters Laboratory, or CE, or ISO 2002 or any of the hundreds of private organizations that require members to meet standards. They do it better and cheaper. Of course you must think that government schools have better food than private restaurants and same goes with public housing and transportation vs private.
" What about all of the food preparation guidelines that must be followed."Must? What is this, commandment by scribbling? People must not murder and it happens regardless. What objective evidence do you have that the mere existence of these codes, papers, forms, edicts, books, and other symbolic pronouncements from on high have improved anything?
" I suppose that is merely the nanny state imposing its will on the free market?"It is an attempt to force it's will, as much as our fat, lazy, incompetent government employees can have will.
99.99% of everything made or done in this country is done without the government. Why the other is proof that govie inspection prove the point is factually unfounded.
Maybe Pushy is off enjoying his "occasional smoke" somewhere. I hope he doesn't hurt himself or blow his fetid, stinking smoke into some innocent victim's face from 10 feet away.
The horror.
Would you like the government to ban smoking in some restaurants? If so, why? Thanks.
I bet you believe what you just said.
Wake up and smell reality.
SteadyEddy: "Smoke outside you disgusting bag of shit. You will obey the law. We will change your behavior. I feel like a King everytime I go to a nice restaurant and we pass the smokers huddled in the parking lot pretending to be cool."--alt.smokers, 12-13-2002
In October of 1991 Secretary of Health and Human Services, Dr. Louis P. Sullivan, labeled smokers and smoking "Public Enemy No. 1." Press conference to announce Project ASSIST
"Any means necessary must be used to de-socialize smokers, smoking must be equated with drugs sex and violence, the smoker must be isolated from the rest of society." 1984 PLAN FOR NON SMOKING, available from the Minnesota Tobacco Control Coalition.
"Smokers shouldn't be helped, they should be eliminated." Smokers United forum, April 23, 2001, posted by Don Klipstein
"The state should require bar owners to furnish cellular phones and Polaroid cameras to nonsmokers so that scofflaws can be reported, identified and executed." Los Angeles Times, "Life & Style," Sunday January 18, 1998
"If smokers are so eager to die, then the answer must be to capture and exterminate them. The only solution is to remove the problem; smokers." Los Angeles Times, "Life & Style," Sunday January 18, 1998
Yeah...it's the "smoke," not the "smoker," alright.
Smokers pay higher premiums now. Do those who own pets? How about the overweight? Couch potatoes? Poor family history? Inner city dwellers? Of all the risks possible in the insurance pool, smokers are the only ones who pay their own way.
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