Posted on 02/21/2009 6:09:00 AM PST by kindred
FOR THE PROPHECY CAME NOT IN OLD TIME BY THE WILL OF MAN: BUT HOLY MEN OF GOD SPAKE AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN-Lk 24:25. However, believing there is a God and acknowledging the Bible is the Word of God does not save a person. A person needs to admit they are a sinner, repent, and receive Jesus Christ as their only hope of being saved. This is done by faith (or trust).
Let's prove the Bible is true and we are nearing the end of the last generation before Christ returns.
1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again after a long time and at a time the Bible calls the "latter days"-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3; Ezek 38:8. Against what appeared to be impossible odds, this prophecy has been fulfilled. It happened as predicted on May 14, 1948 after about 2500 years. That’s 1 out of 1. Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. Since that time, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Yet as the Bible said, the nation of Israel would be reborn. The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the "latter days." It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus. Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand. Some of these are listed here. Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the signs from God’s Word being fulfilled exactly as predicted. As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.
2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 2 out of 2. Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration. At precisely 4 pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum. The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read. All stood, and the scroll was adopted. The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void. Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation. David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, "The State of Israel is established. This meeting is ended." Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once, exactly as predicted. At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave. President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel. The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under attack by the Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, and Iraqi forces.
3. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) "out of the nations"-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 3 out of 3. Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the "United Nations" approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled. Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations. Israel was "brought forth out of the nations"—the children of Israel from many nations have been returning to their ancient homeland.
4. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. That’s 4 out of 4. Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know the time we are in. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time. Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. We are not setting any date; however, it seems clear from Israel’s rebirth and the signs of the times— that we are living in the generation in which the Rapture and Tribulation will come and catch most people by surprise. Are you ready?
5. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled. That’s 5 out of 5. Note: God will spew them out. Many ministers and people that call themselves a Christian will not be going to heaven. The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22. This is today’s church. Most preachers use little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, on the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day. Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear. Many (so-called Christians) are so lukewarm or dead, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God. Some famous ministers and Bible schools think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived.
6. The Bible gives us over 50 descriptions about the people at the time of the end. These fit the people of today perfectly, but did not fit the people of fifty years ago. Here are some:
A. Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1. This is perfect.
B. People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18.
C. People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2. Remember the TV commercials—"I do it for me"?
D. People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2.
E. People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2.
F. Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27.
G. People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7. Is this not the great sex generation?
H. People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4. This is true. Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep. Church?—we can go another time. Our American motto "In God we trust" has become a joke. Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end.
I. People would be taking drugs-Rev 9:21. The Greek word for sorceries, in Rev 9:21, means pharmaceuticals or drugs. God’s Word is 100% right on every one. That’s 6 out of 6. How could you have any doubts at this point? Note: Fifty years ago, many people seldom locked their doors at night. There was little or no profanity on television, radio, or in the movies. One of the biggest problems in public school was gum chewing. Those days are long gone.
7. There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. Incredibly, this prophecy was written in the days of spears and arrows, yet today it is true. That’s 7 out of 7. Note: It is estimated that the combined nuclear arsenals of the USA and Russia (as of the year 2004) could kill every living thing on earth 6 times over.
8. The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This seemingly impossible prophecy was written when there was no printing press, but today it is true. That's 8 out of 8. Note: In this last generation, to our knowledge, the Gospel is being published (or is about to be published) in the primary language of every nation of the world or "among all nations." In addition, the Gospel is available by short-wave radio nearly everywhere in the world.
9. In the "latter days" when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. Incredible. That’s 9 out of 9. Note: How could the Bible have foretold the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass? As was already said in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN.
10. There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is astounding. How could the Bible have told the location of a nation and given such a huge figure regarding the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. That’s 10 out of 10.
11. There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is an exact description of the European Economic Community today (the EEC), which has already adopted the one-currency system for many of their member nations. It is written, IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS (these nations, which is now) SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM-Dan 2:44. That’s 11 out of 11. We have just reached the point that seemed impossible—11 perfect predictions made thousands of years ago—with God nothing is impossible. Certainly, at this point, even the biggest skeptic should see the Bible is true, there is a God, and we are nearing the time of the end.
About 22 prophecies in 11 sets have been given, all perfect and all written centuries ago. The chance that any person could do this 2000 years into the future is not possible. The Bible is the Word of God, and we have just proved it. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Repent and get baptized by full immersion. Read and obey the Gospel. God loves you. He is not willing that any should perish, yet many do. The Rapture is close. Most people are not ready and will not be taken. However, "YOU" cannot say you did not know. Know and understand, Mt 16:26-WHAT IS A MAN PROFITED, IF HE SHALL GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD, AND LOSE HIS OWN SOUL? OR WHAT SHALL A MAN GIVE IN
Ignorance gone to seed is not something I feel any need to absorb.
GREAT POST.
THX.
Of course, I see the naysayers who seem to shuck and jive and rationalize away major portions of Scripture to avoid such truths ahve already been flinging about their irrational, ignorant, silliness.
Thankfully, God is not hindered in the world generally by their cluelessness—though it can hinder Him greatly in their lives.
Well, now you are just plain fabricating statements. “Similar” is a weasel word. It allows you to claim something that is not really true while looking all pious and such.
In the future, I would suggest you be a bit more careful with your claims.
Even in this very post to me you are implying that I am a hypocrite.
Just a caution. Shall I share your private mail to me with the group?
Their are similar in that they are both wrong and out of step with the Bible.
That’s your opinion, which you are more than entitled to hold. However, we are entitled to say the same things about your erroneous belief system (without using personal pejoratives, of course).
“I find dispensationalism “ungospelish” in it’s assumptions and implications,”
Having briefly read your backup, I think you are shooting at straw men. Dispensationalism does not require the idea that there are two concurrent methods of salvation.
Foe what other reasons do you find it “ungospelish”?
Another interesting theory, lots of speculation, but not really supported directly from the Bible.
You can not find a "day is as a thousand years" in the bible ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
God is still revealing Himself, yes in the Word but also through his prophets. He always has spoken through prophets. It remains to be seen if these are true prophets or not and only time can tell that.
I’m not asking you to believe anything. I’m only relating what I read. Do what you will.
I’m not asking you to believe anything. I’m only relating what I read. Do what you will.
It's not a matter lightly brushed off.
If it's the word of God, I'd better believe it.
If it's not, but claims it is, you'd better not believe it.
TopCat, did God lie when He said He would keep His people alive until the end of days?
Having briefly read your backup, I think you are shooting at straw men. Dispensationalism does not require the idea that there are two concurrent methods of salvation.
Yes, I was bitten by a dispensationalist as a child. That explains it.
The two peoples of God scheme is definitional and axiomatic for dispensationalism. When you have two peoples of God, with distinctly different benefits, and different destinies, I'd say you have two gospels.
They're not always consistent in this, which is a good thing.
If you followed down the links in my FR personal page, you'd have come to this, whose outline I sketched in. The whole thing is worth a read. Granted, they're dealing with the situation 60-ish years ago, when also O. T. Allis was writing. Nevertheless, I can tell you that that old classic dispensationalism is alive and well out in the churches.
2. Dispensationalism, magnifying the distinction which is made between law and grace (which dispensationalists hold to be mutually exclusive—Chafer, Grace, p. 231 ff.), agrees that men are NOW saved by grace through faith, but teaches that in other dispensations men have been saved by “legal obedience.” “The point of testing is no longer legal obedience as the condition of salvation, but acceptance or rejection of Christ . . .“ (Scofield Reference Bible, p. 1115; also see Chafer, Dispensationalism, pp. 415-16; Grace, pp. 123, 124-126.) It also holds that after the present age of grace, there will be a reversion in the kingdom age to an extreme system of meritorious obligation. (Chafer, Dispensationalism, pp. 416, 440, 441, 443; Grace, p. 223.).....
Dispensationalism teaches that the two groups of God’s people, the Jewish Nation and the Christian Church, are entirely distinct bodies, and in the millennial kingdom will enjoy different blessings, the Jews enjoying earthly and material blessings, and the Church spiritual and heavenly blessings. Some Dispensationalists, like Dr. Chafer, continue this distinction in destiny into eternity, holding that in eternity there are three groups: the lost in hell, the earthly people of God on earth forever, and the Church, the heavenly people of God in heaven forever. (Dispensationalism, p. 448.) (I have heard this, with my own ears, from a dispensationalist teacher: The Jews are "an eternal earthly reproductive people of God.")
Read the whole thing -- recommended.
“The two peoples of God scheme is definitional and axiomatic for dispensationalism.”
Two distinct peoples of God is an easy doctrine to hold. It’s written all over the NT. I mean, how could you possibly miss that?
Two concurrent methods of salvation is heretical.
Obviously, you are grasping. First you use phrases like “idiot, fool, deceiver, numb scull, etc.” as if I have used those words to characterize my opponents (which I have not). Now you weasel word (as I predicted), objecting because I call folks like you “eschatologically naive”.
I just don't understand what it is about Reformed theology that turns it's adherents into mockers and scoffers of other Christians.
Yeah, whatever. You ought to look at the log in your own eye, IMO.
Hah. That's funny. I wish I had a nickel for every time that verse has been abused by a futurist. And it shows how little folks who quote it know their Old Testament.
“For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.” (Psalm 90:4)
There is absolutely no evidence that phrase is intended by God to demonstrate where we are in creation history. Peter was simply taking his readers back to Psalms. Our days here are nothing in the light of all eternity.
But if that is the sum total of what you are basing your theory on, you are welcome to it.
A personal word FROM God is not going to always be in the Bible. It’s apparent to me that you don’t believe in prophecy, perhaps you think it was over when Christ came. I don’t.
God never lies, but that does not mean you are hearing him accurately.
As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved." "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God." (Rom. 9:25,26)All those who trust in the living God by the blood of Messiah, Jesus Christ, are God's people. There is no more racial distinction.For you (the Church) are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people." (1 Cor. 6:16)
“Obviously, you are grasping. First you use phrases like “idiot, fool, deceiver, numb scull, etc.” “
I said you have used similar terms. I then listed your choice of words.
That’s just the facts. And here’s your words again...
“Naive, arrogant, creators of “fraudulent lists”, easily duped, makers of “wacky lists purporting to know the end is near”, Prophets (Profits) Guild”
Others, (like the post of RJR_fan sited above,) have used far worse language than I initially listed.
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“Yeah, whatever. You ought to look at the log in your own eye, IMO.”
I’m not mocking you. I’m not scoffing at you.
I’m asking you why you feel the need to belittle your theological opponents.
Jeremiah 31
31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
So, is the seed of Israel ever cast off? Is it ever ended? Wasn't tis written 500 to 600 years before Christ? Wasn't it written to genetic Jews, not Jews in name only?
Not necessarily- It can be argued that the generation that offended the Lord was already in existence. Therefore, the punishment was levied against everyone over a certain age, or relatively, the generation in charge at the time. Folks under the age of 30 years, certainly those under the age of 20 years likely did live to see the promised land.
There are legitimate reasons to use the longer generational definition. Of course, as my previous post on this thread suggests, I believe it all to be speculative until the next mile marker approaches. We see through the glass dimly.
What is unquestionably a sign is the establishment of Israel as a nation for the first time in 2000 years. That has occured.
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