Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Quix]

I’m not impressed with his dealings with Walter Martin’s daughter etc. etc. etc.

I’m not impressed with his attitude demonstrated over a span of such dealings.

I’m not impressed with his values displayed.

[Legatus]

That's ontologically impossible in my case! :)

You mean because you don't meet the requirement of being an evil lizard?

[Jaded]

Pfft. You and Joel.

[Cronos]

So, Ole Reg, does that mean that you stand by what you said Throughout 1 Timothy 2 Paul makes it very clear he is speaking for himself and himself only. This is a letter, not Scripture. namely that you don't think that 1 Timothy is Scripture?

And, does metmom think so too?

[Cronos]

Ahem, Iscool is not Protestant. A Protestant shares orthodox Christian beliefs with us like a belief in the Trinity, a belief that God is omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, a belief that Jesus is 100% God and 100% man and a belief in ONE God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).

Iscool doesn't, as per his statement He's not at your Mass either...If you mean Jesus Christ, He is seated at the right hand of the Father..." believe that Jesus is God or that God is omnipresent.

you can use the term Quix uses -- Pr...., or QP for short, which is the cliche of non-Catholics that surround this post and yet are not Christian as they don't have basic Christian beliefs (a belief in the Trinity, a belief that God is omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, a belief that Jesus is 100% God and 100% man and a belief in ONE God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)) --> REAL Protestants like orthodox, traditional Lutherans, Anglicans etc. would be horrified to have the QP included in any list of Protestants

[Cronos]

Well then tell me, what do you think is the definition of Hinduism or what constitutes a Hindu?

[Cronos]

your term "Proddy" is not equivalent to Protestant.

The vast majority of Protestants are not members of the groupings to which the posters on this post are on about -- there are no posters from the lutheran, Anglican, Methodist or Assemblies of God groupings.

Again, I would hesitate to say that any of you ascribe to the general viewpoints of your grouping -- except Iscool or ES, who seems to each be a Kirk of One rejecting all others as non-cultic

So, the term "Proddy" is relegated to just being composed of you, Dr. E, mfights, metmom, presently no screen name, iscool, rnmomof7 and the handful of other non-Church folks who post on this thread.

[Cronos]

Giggles for Jesus is a ministry that I hadn't run across before.

Is that Alex's latest cult-group? No wonder he posts so many funny articles! Perhaps THIS Humor Kirche? (go to 1:05 minutes from the start

[Cronos]

Oh, you mean you acknowledge Unitarians who deny Christ's divinity in the Trinity using sola scriptura, sola interpretura as being part of your group?

[Forest Keeper]

Almost, almost but not am I convinced of total depravity. Almost am I convinced that Baptism does not regenerate. Almost am I convinced that there is no God. But for the One, Holy, Apostolic and Catholic Church... but for the Holy Mother who leads me to Jesus Christ and bids me kneel at the foot of His Holy and life giving Cross singing "I saw water flowing from the right side of the temple, alleluia; and all they to whom that water came were saved, and they shall say, alleluia, alleluia!" And then she drags me stumbling to the Tomb ...

So then, you owe a debt to Mary for your salvation?

[Cronos]

QUix: I personally find many of his assertions off the wall and devoid of solid truth. --> ok, fair enough, thank you for responding.

[Legatus]

The “Holy Mother” to which I was referring is the Church. Didn’t make that quite clear I suppose.

[Cronos]

Do you think that Lutherans and Anglicans are not a Church? I disagree.

And let me rephrase: CC, AVC, etc. are just sub-cults, not Churchs like the real ones among Protestants: Anglican, Methodist, Lutherans etc

The Holy Spirit has already demonstrated His persistent disapproval of all of those sub-cults by having the CC split into the AVC and so on, each of these cults dying out soon after the founders kick the bucket.

[Iscool]

So now your Protestant God is not omnipresent? Since we have already seen Protestants claim that He is not omniscient, and not omnipotent, and just today that St Paul speaks through the Holy Spirit I would venture to guess you are speaking about a completely different God than we Catholics.

I realize your religion would like us to believe the notion that your catechism trumps God's words in the scriptures but as a Christian, I have no choice but to believe what God says...

Obviously the omnipresence of God is a mystery to you guys which you have never solved...Let's see what Jesus says about it...

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit in all believers is clearly another mystery to you guys...I can only assume you guys and your religion are part of the 'world' spoken of in this verse...

Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

So here it is...Jesus says he's leaving...And he left...He sent the Holy Spirit, the Comforter in his place...

And then Jesus says, I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you...But Jesus says he's leaving and sending the Comforter in his place...

Jesus IS the Holy Spirt and Comforter...There's God's omnipresence...

And where does Jesus/the Holy Spirit show up??? In a cracker??? Of course not...

Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

There it is...Jesus is in the Father and we are in Jesus, in the Father...Jesus is also in us...And he's not in our stomachs...

Even if Jesus did show up in a cracker, it would be useless to put him in our stomachs...

We have no need to eat Jesus...Jesus is already in us, no matter where we are...Sorry that you don't know that...

[Legatus]

Do you think that Lutherans and Anglicans are not a Church? I disagree.

"Ecclesial Community" not church.

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH

RESPONSES TO SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE DOCTRINE ON THE CHURCH

FIFTH QUESTION
Why do the texts of the Council and those of the Magisterium since the Council not use the title of “Church” with regard to those Christian Communities born out of the Reformation of the sixteenth century?

RESPONSE
According to Catholic doctrine, these Communities do not enjoy apostolic succession in the sacrament of Orders, and are, therefore, deprived of a constitutive element of the Church. These ecclesial Communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery[19] cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called “Churches” in the proper sense[20].

[19] Cf. Second Vatican Council, Decree Unitatis redintegratio, 22.3.
[20] Cf. Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Declaration Dominus Iesus, 17.2: AAS 92 [2000-II] 758.

Just so we're all on the same page.

Boatbums, does this qualify? :)

[wagglebee]

Don't you find it odd that ACTUAL Protestants like Anglicans, Lutherans and Methodists are NEVER on these threads spouting various heretical beliefs.

I realize the Church speaks of separated brethren, but I think that we need to be very careful about what that means. Denial of the Divinity of Christ, denial of the Holy Trinity and denial that the Apostle Paul's epistles are Scripture are not simple misunderstandings, they are blatant heresies.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

No, its a secret Vatican archive satellite photo of an unnamed internet UFOlogist.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Of course they will likely

DENY

—that the Vatican offical paper has anything to do with the Vatican;

Dear Quix,

I wrote an article just over a year ago for the "Vatican offical paper." Yep, I was published in L'Osservatore Romano, English Edition, July 15, 2009.

Do you think I speak for the Pope?

I assure you, L'Osservatore Romano does NOT "speak" for the Pope. If I can get published in L'Osservatore Romano, then anyone can. And everyone does not speak for the Pope. I just called them up (literally) and presented an idea to them for an article. I sent them a CV, an outline of the article, and they gave me the go ahead.

Likewise, some astronomer who plays with telescopes at the Vatican observatory does not speak for the Pope either.

Frankly, most Vatican bureacrats are liberal heretics, and in no way whatsoever speak for or represent the thinking of the Pope.

Give it a rest, would you?

[wagglebee]

I'm stealing that one!

[OLD REGGIE]

Correct. I cannot argue with the numbers, yet overall, the percentage, even as the country has grown in population, has remained stable.

Through immigration, legal and otherwise, and immigration only. Of course, this represents a loss in the "sending" country.

To be fair, Mainline Protestant Protestant Churches are also experiencing declining numbers.