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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


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To: MarkBsnr

The words of a lost soul!
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8,901 posted on 10/05/2010 7:40:20 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: OLD REGGIE; MarkBsnr; Legatus

From the same university where they give degrees in Pomposity?

-—to old fellows?


8,902 posted on 10/05/2010 7:40:24 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: RnMomof7; Natural Law
God is Love, yet He smote His Son on the cross with His wrath.

Sui-deicide. Ok.

God is … immutable

Unchanging. Love and then wrath. What strange pretzel theology results from Calvin's system.

8,903 posted on 10/05/2010 7:43:23 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Legatus

(raising hand slowly)I giggled until the dog woke up. The cat is already hiding. I can’t decide which one I like best.


8,905 posted on 10/05/2010 7:49:56 PM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: MarkBsnr; editor-surveyor
The first five verses, prior to Romans 10:6 should be read to understand the rest of the verses you give, Mark. Verses 1-4 are about people ignoring God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, which is OF THE LAW. It's about ignorance and rebellion of God's righteousness. "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:4.

Verses 5-8 are about the righteousness of the law and of God contrasted.

Verses 9-13 are about how to receive God's righteousness.

They are not about running a race to the end where we will be judged. Unless you want them to be. Which would be going about to establish your own righteousness, which is of the law.

8,906 posted on 10/05/2010 7:51:38 PM PDT by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Stated correctly the Bible never refers to "private interpretation" of Scripture.

2 Peter 1: 20 First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, 21 because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Thanks, Reggie. Since they don't pay much attention to the Holy Spirit, it makes sense they don't understand verses about the Holy Spirit.

8,907 posted on 10/05/2010 8:00:53 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: D-fendr

Sad thing is the number of people who follow along.


8,908 posted on 10/05/2010 8:01:33 PM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: smvoice; MarkBsnr

> “They are not about running a race to the end where we will be judged. Unless you want them to be. Which would be going about to establish your own righteousness, which is of the law.”

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Nicely stated!
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8,909 posted on 10/05/2010 8:03:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: OLD REGGIE

lolol.


8,910 posted on 10/05/2010 8:04:28 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: OLD REGGIE
2 Corinthians 2:10 Any one whom you forgive, I also forgive. What I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence of Christ,

"...presence of Christ."

Nice catch, Reggie!

8,911 posted on 10/05/2010 8:10:20 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: OLD REGGIE
For how many centuries prior to 1950? When and where?

Details, details, details...

8,912 posted on 10/05/2010 8:12:59 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You know, I used to think people just used Latin because they thought it made them sound intellectual. Now, I think they use it because they are both snooty and so that they can interpret it to say whatever they want it to.


8,913 posted on 10/05/2010 8:14:07 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
"I used google and a 60 year old Latin dictionary."

Not having the prerequisite fluency in Latin is too big a handicap to overcome with such primitive tools.

8,914 posted on 10/05/2010 8:24:23 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: RnMomof7
"Here is the issue, if Rome says something Catholics just say "yea thats right""

Well, duh! That, by definition, is what makes us Catholic.

8,915 posted on 10/05/2010 8:26:48 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
"...in their midst.""

Why don't you use google and another 60 year old dictionary of your choice, and explain how that doesn't mean in their presence.

8,916 posted on 10/05/2010 8:30:57 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: OLD REGGIE; Dr. Eckleburg

Since at least the time of the Council of Ephesus, which took place in the 5th century.


8,917 posted on 10/05/2010 8:31:17 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: OLD REGGIE
"Are you suggesting that your selective selection of Augustine's writing ads to the revealed word?"

No, I am just trying to determine the extent of your sudden acceptance of Tradition as part of the Revealed Word.

8,918 posted on 10/05/2010 8:33:57 PM PDT by Natural Law (A lie is a known untruth expressed as truth. A liar is the one who tells it.)
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To: Jaded; Legatus

I keep wondering who I know that might enjoy those!

Thanks, Legs.


8,919 posted on 10/05/2010 8:40:14 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Natural Law
The way it is worded, it is an expression of the poster's mind - not a reading of yours - though it pushes the envelope.

For example, "You must be thinking of the Red Sea" is not making it personal. It is tentative, like a question, i.e. "Are you thinking of the Red Sea?"

8,920 posted on 10/05/2010 8:51:06 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

With all due respect to you, I disagree.


8,921 posted on 10/05/2010 8:55:17 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: wagglebee
For starters, you need to understand that the Ascension and the Assumption are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT events.

Actually, I do understand the difference. I just needed to read it correctly, which I didn't. Sometimes I read too fast.

8,922 posted on 10/05/2010 9:15:09 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee

Actually, there’s nothing that states that Jesus needed to be carried (to term) in a sinless person.

God doesn’t have to have a sinless container to carry Him. He can come in contact with sinful beings and still remain free from sin Himself. Otherwise, the Holy Spirit would not be able to come and live within us, our bodies being the temple of the Holy Spirit.


8,923 posted on 10/05/2010 9:17:58 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Pyro7480; 1000 silverlings
Umm, the dogma doesn't say anything about whether she died or not. It plainly states that she was taken up into Heaven body and soul. If you took the time to read Pius XII's document, it gives several indications that she did die.

Can Catholics ever make up their minds? Or is it too much fun arguing both sides against the middle?

8,924 posted on 10/05/2010 9:22:59 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

LOL! Not everything is dogmatized.


8,925 posted on 10/05/2010 9:25:40 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: MarkBsnr

Why was it necessary for Mary to have been sinless to conceive and carry Jesus?

The sin nature comes through the father. Physical contact with sinful people does not nor did not contaminate Jesus, otherwise He could not have touched sinners while here on earth.

His holiness is so powerful that sin can’t contaminate or over come it. It overcomes sin.

And what the heck does that have to do with the Trinity?


8,926 posted on 10/05/2010 9:39:21 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: stfassisi

I have a recipe for skunk shampoo that my sister used on her dog when he got nailed.

She said it was very effective, if you’re interested.


8,927 posted on 10/05/2010 9:48:27 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr; maryz; wagglebee; Natural Law; count-your-change; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; ...
Only if you have the secret Reformed decoder ring, the Reformed passwords, the Reformed handshakes, the Reformed assurance of salvation and the Reformed sneer at the reprobates and the 'gentiles'. Hmm they are sounding more and more like Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery and Brigham Young and Sidney Rigdon. Only the Reformed, the OSAS crowd and the Mormons have imposed their will upon God for their own salvation

Do either of you have a mirror? Because these words of yours do not sound like the love your neighbor type. Since I got lumped in with the "Reformed" crowd - yes, I admit I'm a OSAS (GASP!!!)- let me proclaim that I love others and treat them the way I would want to be. I try very, very hard to even love people the way Christ loves them. I do not sneer at unbelievers, I do not curse them or try to belittle them, I do not boast of my perfection because however much good I might have within me, it is all from the grace of God and not a drop is self-fabricated.

We "Protestants", "Reformers" or whatever else label you prefer do not impose our will upon God for their own salvation and that statement itself makes no sense whatsoever. I am pretty sure, after all these posts, that you really don't believe it's true either but are trying to make a point.

As we near 9000+ posts on a thread with dubious beginnings, why don't we close up shop and start over on a more civil one. This one has only become a chopping block for one against another of those who both claim to be "ones of Christ's". Can we no longer act that way or have all the bridges been burned?

8,928 posted on 10/05/2010 9:57:44 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums; Dr. Eckleburg; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

You express reasonable sentiments.

However, I persistently relate to folks

AS I’D LIKE TO BE RELATED TO

. . . genuinely . . .

. . . all my posts considered . . .

And you know how much I’m castigated! LOL.

I don’t think some RC’s can wrap their Rosaries or understanding around such an assertion without choking on them.

I like long threads . . . what a tableau of the human drama they represent.

They wander all over the countryside like life does.

And, sooner or later . . . most folks display their priorities, values and multiple faces.

Maybe we could call it truth serum by thread length. LOL.


8,929 posted on 10/05/2010 10:07:07 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Legatus

I’m very sorry your cat died. I hope your kids are taking it well. I pray the Lord will comfort and console y’all. These critters latch unto our hearts and losing one is like losing a part of our own family.


8,930 posted on 10/05/2010 10:16:56 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums
Can we no longer act that way or have all the bridges been burned?

I behold a smoking ruin.

There will never be civility in the Religion Forum. Someone will always say something shockingly inane and then it's "Annie get your gun", "Katie bar the door" and "Cletus hold my beer and watch this".

You wanna know why this thread is the state it's in? Go look at post 64, then 80, 85, 91 and then it just explodes. That's not to say that after the opening shots Catholic didn't provoke further madness. The bottom line remains: there are people who appear to be convinced that Catholicism is totally demonic and they will never miss an opportunity to drive that opinion down the throat of the nearest Catholic.

So, every thread, that is not a caucus thread is capable of turning into one of these mega sado-evangelism threads at the drop of a hat. When this one finally dies the next one will erupt within hours and the same people will be saying the same things in the same manner. A Catholic may start the next one, who knows. The fact remains, nobody is willing to say: This time, just once, nobody dies today.

8,931 posted on 10/05/2010 11:18:39 PM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Pyro7480; OLD REGGIE; Alex Murphy; RnMomof7; boatbums; 1000 silverlings; Quix
OLD REGGIE: For how many centuries prior to 1950 (was the assumption of Mary commemorated liturgically?)

PYRO 74: Since at least the time of the Council of Ephesus, which took place in the 5th century.

Where's the proof of that?

There were three Councils of Ephesus, and only the first one mentioned Mary, and that only peripherally in relation to Nestorianism.

NOTHING about Mary being sinless or assumed bodily into heaven.

8,932 posted on 10/05/2010 11:24:23 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: boatbums
I’m very sorry your cat died. I hope your kids are taking it well. I pray the Lord will comfort and console y’all. These critters latch unto our hearts and losing one is like losing a part of our own family.

The three older kids were/are pretty much shattered, but really we had that cat longer than we've had children. Five times a day for six months my wife or/and I ran a tube down his throat to his stomach and syringe fed him when he was a kitten. He slept every night on my wife's pillows and almost every time I sat on the couch he jumped on me... for 12 years. So yeah, the kids can get in line behind us.

The Assistant Cat, who is just not ready for promotion to Chief, has been wondering around confused for two days. If he doesn't snap out of it soon he's gonna lose his membership in the Cat Union.

8,933 posted on 10/05/2010 11:33:24 PM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: boatbums
Most of the threads, if they run long enough or concern some subject near and dear to the hearts of the posters, end up being insult contests.

Some don't like to be challenged in their beliefs and take each challenge as an attack, others can't or won't defend what they say because they haven't ever really given their beliefs deep examination and think sarcastic repartee’ is the same thing as defence.

And others are just arrogant, too arrogant to ever admit their views might be mistaken no matter how much stands against their opinion in evidence of experience so they insult or ridicule as if that proves the other person wrong and themselves right.

Mix all that with a generous dose of self righteousness and the one upsmanship game never ends.

8,934 posted on 10/05/2010 11:46:19 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: boatbums; RnMomof7; metmom; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; HarleyD; ...
I used to think people just used Latin because they thought it made them sound intellectual. Now, I think they use it because they are both snooty and so that they can interpret it to say whatever they want it to

Exactly. They rely on people not knowing Latin, but who cares about Latin? Utilizing Latin hasn't done Rome any good. Rome still preaches another Gospel...in any language.

And further, when their beliefs and practices contradict the word of God, they blame the translation. They did the same thing with Ratzinger's "global authority" encyclical and Ratzinger's letter to the bishops during the sex abuse scandal.

Maybe sign language would help. Or a note pad and a box of crayons.

Rome wants everyone to think the Bible is difficult and confusing and contradictory. But the truth found in Scripture can be understood by a child...IN ANY LANGUAGE (Pinging a few saints to a great website.)

"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36

"Ne crains pas, crois seulement." -- Marc 5:36

"Fürchte dich nicht, glaube nur!" -- Markus 5:36

"No temas; sólo cree." -- Marcos 5:36

Etc. Etc. Etc.


8,935 posted on 10/05/2010 11:49:23 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: RnMomof7
Protestants I know actually have little interest in position in heaven. Sainthood is already theirs based on Christ...not on their works. There will be some with greater rewards but the saints will know that the rewards (crowns) are not REALLY THEIRS, they are God's, for His work in them. And so we will give the rewards back to the one that ordained them...God

AMEN!

8,936 posted on 10/05/2010 11:52:26 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: RnMomof7
My point WAS why would the church speculate on where Mary's tomb is, if they believe she was assumed.

GREAT question.

And still no answer.

8,937 posted on 10/05/2010 11:56:35 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: wagglebee; 1000 silverlings; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; OLD REGGIE; Quix; RnMomof7; metmom; wmfights; ..
Being an anti-Catholic makes someone a bigot, not a Christian.

What an astounding admission of ignorance.

I doubt there's even one Protestant on these threads who would ever say "Being an anti-Protestant makes someone a bigot, not a Christian."

It's inconceivable. You have your opinions and we have ours. But that difference does not equal bigotry.

Your comment is exactly what liberals do -- trash not only the opposing idea, but the person holding that idea and then try to shout down that idea and prevent it from even being spoken.

Gamecock, I think we have another winner for your homepage.

"Being an anti-Catholic makes someone a bigot, not a Christian."

No wonder a majority of Roman Catholics voted for Obama. They think like him.

There are hundreds on this forum and dozens on this thread who are anti-Mary as sinless co-redeemer, anti-transubstantiation, anti-"alter Christus," anti-papacy, anti-magisterium; anti-Apocrypha, anti-baptismal regeneration, anti-confessional booth, anti-indulgences, anti-purgatory, anti-limbo, etc., who are indeed, Christian.

Thank God. Semper Reformanda.

8,938 posted on 10/06/2010 12:11:27 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: wagglebee; 1000 silverlings; OLD REGGIE; RnMomof7; Quix; blue-duncan; Alex Murphy; Gamecock
So that God was carried in an immaculate vessel.

And thus explains the confused nature of Roman Catholic human sexuality.

Christ was carried in a human womb. He received His humanity, warts and all, from His mother.

While Christ was sinless, there is no necessity for His mother to be sinless.

Unless He was the product of two gods mating which reveals just how close Rome is to pagan mythology.

8,939 posted on 10/06/2010 12:18:39 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: RnMomof7

ROTFLOL.

GREAT POST! I hope everyone gets a chance to read it.


8,940 posted on 10/06/2010 12:25:31 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Calling someone “anti-Catholic” because they don’t genuflect to the Catholic Church is one of those throw away insult lines like calling someone a racist in the hopes it put them on the defensive and make them try to prove they aren’t.

Of course that is the same sort of thing Mark Twain described as a woman trying to prove she is a virgin.

So it’s easy to call someone a bigot and pretend the burden of proof is upon the accused instead of the accuser.


8,941 posted on 10/06/2010 12:31:21 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Says The Catholic Encyclopedia about Mary being assumed into heaven,

“The belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is founded on the apocryphal treatise De Obitu S. Dominae, bearing the name of St. John, which belongs however to the fourth or fifth century. It is also found in the book De Transitu Virginis, falsely ascribed to St. Melito of Sardis, and in a spurious letter attributed to St. Denis the Areopagite.”

“Fourth or fifth century”. And the writings considered therein genuine are from the seventh and eighth centuries.

“apocryphal, falsely ascribed. spurious” that's the basis for belief in the assumption of Mary!

8,942 posted on 10/06/2010 12:49:16 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Certainly reading English translations are "equal to" reading the Greek translations.

Koine Greek is the original language of the New Testament.

8,943 posted on 10/06/2010 2:23:38 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: OLD REGGIE; Legatus
Are you aware of the difference between "private interpretation of Scripture" and the private interpretation of "prophesy"?

No they are not, this is one more instance of Rome proof texting a scripture OUT OF CONTEXT

This is not speaking of the reader..but the prophet.. But hey why should this be any different than the way Rome treats any other scripture

8,944 posted on 10/06/2010 4:09:55 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; annalex; ..
My point WAS why would the church speculate on where Mary's tomb is, if they believe she was assumed..

Since the 4th century there has been a church were Christians believe the tomb of Jesus Christ is, yet we all know He was Resurrected. The Church has never said that the Blessed Mother didn't die.

8,945 posted on 10/06/2010 5:11:45 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; ...
What an astounding admission of ignorance.

Thank you for saying that. If I thought, even for a moment, that I had your respect, I would be forced to acknowledge that I had done something very wrong.

Your comment is exactly what liberals do -- trash not only the opposing idea, but the person holding that idea and then try to shout down that idea and prevent it from even being spoken.

On the contrary, I'd far rather let the bigots speak their minds (though it amuses me how they can only do so through the anonymity that the internet affords, I rather doubt that they would make similar statements to the Catholic friends, neighbors and relatives that they claim to have).

On the other hand, you have made at least one statement that certainly suggests support for suppressing Catholicism. It's right here:

Scotland’s downfall began when they let the papists back in.

There are hundreds on this forum and dozens on this thread who are anti-Mary as sinless co-redeemer, anti-transubstantiation, anti-"alter Christus," anti-papacy, anti-magisterium; anti-Apocrypha, anti-baptismal regeneration, anti-confessional booth, anti-indulgences, anti-purgatory, anti-limbo, etc., who are indeed, Christian.

I've never suggested otherwise. There are, however, some anti-Catholic bigots on this forum and thread who ARE NOT Christians.

8,946 posted on 10/06/2010 5:26:18 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: boatbums
let me proclaim that I love others and treat them the way I would want to be. I try very, very hard to even love people the way Christ loves them. I do not sneer at unbelievers, I do not curse them or try to belittle them, I do not boast of my perfection because however much good I might have within me, it is all from the grace of God and not a drop is self-fabricated.

IMO, your claim is just -- as far as I've seen, your posts are always models of civility and thoughtfulness, with a substantive point to make. If you've taken offense at any of my comments directed to the more rabid posters, I'm sorry, because they weren't meant to include you. I avoided using names partly to avoid "making it personal" and (maybe mostly) because I don't necessarily remember who said what in an 8,000 post thread (and all the other preceding threads, which are near duplicates).

These threads would be about 20% of their length if they were restricted to serious debate, IMO.

BTW, I don't know what OSAS is.

8,947 posted on 10/06/2010 5:55:51 AM PDT by maryz
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To: wagglebee; OLD REGGIE; count-your-change; Natural Law; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; ...
I do not participate in threads this long unless directly pinged, however, it says "person" and not "presence" in the original:

2 Corinthians
  English: Douay-Rheims Latin: Vulgata Clementina Greek NT: Byzantine/Majority Text (2000)
  2 Corinthians 2
10 And to whom you have pardoned any thing, I also. For, what I have pardoned, if I have pardoned any thing, for your sakes have I done it in the person of Christ. Cui autem aliquid donastis, et ego : nam et ego quod donavi, si quid donavi, propter vos in persona Christi, ω δε τι χαριζεσθε και εγω και γαρ εγω ει τι κεχαρισμαι ω κεχαρισμαι δι υμας εν προσωπω χριστου

New International Version is a tool of anti-Christ.

Of course, the fact that the priest dispatches his sacred duties in the person of Christ is clear from the direct teaching on the matter in John 13:20, John 20:21, Luke 10:16.

You guys have to wait for the dictatorship to come about to figure this one out. Our ammunition is dry.

8,948 posted on 10/06/2010 6:04:32 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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It's worth noting that the KJV (which, I've always sort of liked) also uses person and not presence in this verse.
8,949 posted on 10/06/2010 6:22:07 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: maryz

Once Saved Always Saved. The people who think they can say and do what ever they want and are “elect”. You know the type, they are on these threads.


8,950 posted on 10/06/2010 6:24:10 AM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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