Posted on 01/08/2011 6:43:59 PM PST by Grig
400 years ago Catholics looked on Protestantism as a cult of Christianity that lead people to hell, and looked on Protestants as not really being Christians. Clearly they've changed their minds a bit over the years on that.
In time, the same thing will happen with respect to Mormons IMHO. In fact it largely has already. While there are still some who speak of Mormons the same way that Catholics spoke of Protestants centuries ago, society in general recognizes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as a Christian group.
For example:
Beliefnet.com lists Latter-Day Saints as a part of Christianity: http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/Latter-Day-Saints/index.aspx
Wikipedia: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (abbreviated as the LDS Church, and colloquially referred to as the Mormon Church) is a restorationist Christian religion" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints
Likewise the definition of 'Christian' at dictionary.com doesn't require adherence to orthodox dogma. Nor am I aware of any reputable dictionary or encyclopedia that says otherwise.
Here on FR when you go to post to the Religion forum you have the option of checking off what denomination(s) the post applies to. In there it lists the category of "Other Christian" as being specifically for "7th Day Adventist, Churches of God, Messianic Christians, Unitarian, LDS, etc."
This of course is separate from the question of what set of teachings is actually correct. Christ taught that not all who lay claim to his name will have a legitimate claim, and in the end He will be the judge. That's fine with me.
teppe, your comments reflect a gross ignorance of the title. Jesus Christ is the Greek derived from the underlying Hebrew - Yeshua Hamashiach. Jesus needed NO annointing - as God in flesh he was already annointed -the Chosen One.
Obviously God the Father .... consequently, if God and Christ were co-equal as per the Nicene Creed .... then Jesus Christ could not be described as the “Christ” since there would have been no reason for him to annoint himself.
teppe - at least LEARN the correct definitions of the Persons of the Trinity if you are going to argue it - not morg polemic. You are making a fool of your self through this twisted logic
Then why be a MORMON?
That’s the point. Mormons aren’t Christians!
You are right of course. Sometimes sarcasm is a little hard to interpret.
Then why be a MORMON?
That’s the point. Mormons aren’t Christians!
You are right of course. Sometimes sarcasm is a little hard to interpret.
***I haven’t, and neither has Pope Benedict XVIth who said: “protestantism leads to atheism.” I’m paraphrasing***
That is interesting as back in the early 1990s Madaline Murray O’Hair was on LARRY KING LIVE one night and made this statement..
“The best atheists are former Mormons and Catholics.”
I heard her say it as I watched the program.
That is not surprising. Consider the 'stuff' that mormons must believe and do in order to become 'gods'. Pull that carpet out, combined with residual teachings that tell them that ALL OTHER FAITHS ARE FALSE, how readily are mormons going to be to go to Christianity. The ex-mo boards are full of atheists/agnostics. this is just another side of the insidiousness of mormonism.
Go to any lexicon and you’ll see that teppe is quite correct in his comment on “Christ” meaning “anointed one”.
“Obviously God the Father .... consequently, if God and Christ were co-equal as per the Nicene Creed .... then Jesus Christ could not be described as the “Christ” since there would have been no reason for him to annoint himself.”
And his logic is in line with Christ’s own words.
The ever-present foolishness within the theological drivel from Mormon apologists is immense. Seeing the arrogance within the foolishness gives the creepy feeling of being embarrassed for the Mormon apologist. IMO the hallmark of heresies that lead to the creation of a cult like Mormonism is the blind arrogance fostered in followers.
The last paragraph states:
As for the rest of us, we owe to Mormon Americans respect for their human dignity, protection of their religious freedom, readiness for friendship, openness to honest dialogue, and an eagerness to join hands in social and cultural tasks that advance the common good. That, perhaps, is work enough, at least for the time being.
Note the reference to “openness to honest dialogue”?
Would this describe your belief?
Is society in general your God? Is that who determines who a Christian is, and isn't?
****I embrace Mormons as righteous citizens of the first order.****
That may work in the Political world but not in true Christianity.
When Christian believer get together, there is common religious beliefs and ground they can work with. Not so when Mormons want to join.
Case in Point...
When Cyrus wanted to rebuild the temple of Jerusalem he sent the Heberew People back into the land to do the job. The STRANGERS occupieing the land wanted to help with this rebuilding as they claimed to worship the same God. They were rebuffed.
Ezr 4:1 ¶ Now when the adversaries of Judah and Benjamin heard that the children of the captivity builded the temple unto the LORD God of Israel;
Ezr 4:2 Then they came to Zerubbabel, and to the chief of the fathers, and said unto them, Let us build with you: for we seek your God, as ye [do]; and we do sacrifice unto him since the days of Esarhaddon king of Assur, which brought us up hither.
Ezr 4:3 But Zerubbabel, and Jeshua, and the rest of the chief of the fathers of Israel, said unto them, Ye have nothing to do with us to build an house unto our God; but we ourselves together will build unto the LORD God of Israel, as king Cyrus the king of Persia hath commanded us.
As you can see, Mormons can not claim to be Christian either.
Thanks.
“Re-brading” is what it is.
There's a cult group headquartered near where I live which rejects the Trinity also, and they make exactly the same error you make here in their attempt to refute Trinitarianism.
You're confusing Trinitarianism with the heresy of Monarchialism. Monarchialism says that the Son is the Father is the Son, which would mean that Jesus anointed himself. (And prays to himself, etc.)
Trinitarianism says that the Son and the Father and the Holy Spirit are distinct persons, but the one divine substance, and therefore one God, not three. There is nothing contradictory or even very hard to understand about that. A person is an identity, a substance is a particular instance of a "what". A rock is a substance, but not a person. Humans and Angels are each one substance associated with one person. God is one divine Substance in which three Persons subsist.
Mormonism is utterly wrong when it says that the Father and the Son are two "gods". You know how I know that? The Dead Sea scrolls contained a scroll of the book of Isaiah that matches the Hebrew text we have almost to the letter. (That is, there are no "plain and precious parts" missing.) The scrolls were hidden in AD 70 and not found until 1948 (contrary to what Glenn Beck said); no "priestcraft" was able to corrupt them, pace Joseph Smith.
Isaiah says in about 6 different places between chapters 43 and 45 that there is only ONE god. Not two, not three, not "as many gods as there are grains of sand on a seashore," no observant Mormon males becoming gods themselves, nothing like that. One True God. Period. Full stop.
**Mormonism is not Christianity, and neither is Catholicism, or Islam, or many other false religions born in the pit of hell. One of Satan’s big schticks is to create false “religions” to deceive billions of people.**
That’s being honest; a little bit ‘cart before the horse’, but honest. It’s best to present at least some of your opinion with scriptural harmony, all the while being ‘wise as serpents and harmless as doves’.
Yes, you’re right, but I can cite Scripture all day, and those who are locked in deception, whether Catholicism, Mormonism or whatever, will not be convinced. In the same way that sick, twisted maniac Fred Phelps uses Scripture to support his lies born in the pit of hell, so false religions also use Scripture to justify their false teachings and beliefs.
I could point to Galations, Chapter 1, verses 6 through 12, where Paul warns of false “gospels” which pervert the gospel of Christ. Or, I could mention the last chapter of Revelation, in verses 18 and 19, where John warns of adding to or removing from the Word of God. I could cite the passages in Revelation 13, 18, 19 and 20 dealing with the deception by the devil, the beast and the false prophet of “all nations” and “them that dwell on the earth,” but I would not likely sway a single Catholic or Mormon.
Shouldn’t the title of this thread be followed with
the addition, (Cultic Vanity)?
“Obviously God the Father .... consequently, if God and Christ were co-equal as per the Nicene Creed .... then Jesus Christ could not be described as the “Christ” since there would have been no reason for him to annoint himself.”
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Teppe, as an observation, I consistently see mormons hung
up logically because they do not recognize Christ as God,
but during his time on earth, also a Man under Law.
This leads mormons into all kinds of logical fallacies,
as seen in your post I quoted above.
best to you,
ampu
What religion are you? Any particular denomination? Because you don’t sound like a Christian.
I don’t “sound like a Christian”? Why is that? Because I point out that there are people being deceived by false “gospels”? Those are not my words. Those are God’s words.
What religion are you? Any particular denomination?
I’m just a plain, Bible-believing Christian, no denomination. In the past, I’ve been a member of non-denominational churches, a Baptist church, and even a Church of Christ when I was a kid, but I shun “denominations,” because there are no denominations in the Bible. It’s just the Church, the Body of Christ.
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