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Jewish Pentecostal Reaches Jews with the Gospel
The Christian Post ^ | January 15, 2011 | Eryn Sun

Posted on 01/18/2011 10:47:30 AM PST by wmfights

Two thousand years of history have shown the Jewish people that Christians are their worst enemies, a Messianic rabbi pointed out.

“Jews were told you must convert or be killed. If we ignore the history, we’ll never really understand why it’s so difficult to reach the Jewish people with the Gospel,” Jeff Friedman emphasized.

Friedman himself grew up hating Christians. While attending an Orthodox Jewish synagogue regularly in Brooklyn, N.Y., he said he had some brief encounters with Christians and found them offensive, according to Pentecostal Evangel, a publication of the Assemblies of God.

It wasn’t until he was in his late 20s that he began to understand Yeshua, or Jesus. And it was at the most unlikely of places – his hair salon.

After moving to Miami as part of his job as a government pharmacist, Friedman went to get a haircut one day in 1980 where he met Mitzi, his hairstylist. She was a Jewish woman who attended an Assemblies of God church.

“She saw an emptiness in me, and understood that,” Friedman recalled. “I didn’t understand it, so I tried to fill up the empty places with everything that the world had; all that did was leave me more hungry.”

Mitzi was able to tap into that, he explained to The Christian Post. She challenged me to read from the Scriptures – Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Psalms – and she showed me the Messiah. For the first time in my life, I was challenged with this question, ‘Who is this Messiah?’”

A week later, Friedman came to faith in Yeshua after accepting an invitation to a Christmas party at the church.

“When I started to read the prophecies of God, it was inescapable. I discovered in the older covenant scriptures that this man that the gentiles call Jesus must be the Messiah,” Friedman said.

Now a founder of Jacob’s Hope, an outreach ministry for the Assemblies of God, and a licensed AG minister and Messianic rabbi, Friedman aims to bring this same hope to Jewish people around the world by providing humanitarian and medical aid, and sharing the Good News of the Messiah.

Friedman noted that although many people are supporting Jewish ministries that provide humanitarian aid – the Gospel is not shared, so people aren’t being evangelized. Jacob’s Hope is working to change this.

Jacob’s Hope currently serves in Belarus, Germany, Ukraine, Ethiopia, and Israel, providing humanitarian aid, food, and medical care; training and equipping local pastors and Messianic rabbis to minister more effectively to their communities; distributing Bibles, books, and equipment; building worship and job training centers; and lastly sharing the Gospel of the Jewish Messiah Yeshua to the Jewish people.

“Gentile Christians live in poverty all over the world, but at least they have faith – something to cling on to. But most Jewish people scattered all over the world have nothing and no one. They are spiritually and physically in poverty,” Friedman said.

Hundreds of Jews enter the centers of Jacob’s Hope every month, and a percentage of those people ask questions about why the missionaries are here and why they’re doing what they’re doing. The volunteers and workers have a simple response.

We’re here because of the Messiah, he declared.

Friedman also explained, “We tell them and have a sign that says that all the material they receive comes from Christians from America who love the people of Israel, the Jewish people.”

Over ninety percent of Jews have not heard a culturally relevant presentation of the Gospel. The hopeful Friedman, joining a growing number of modern Messianic Jews today, is seeking to help the Jewish people understand that the terrible things done to them “in the name of Jesus” were not done by true believers and the Messiah who loved them.

“It’s important that we put the Gospel back into its original Jewish context. This Jewish man Jesus, the greatest Jew who ever lived, who kept the law of Moses perfectly, who said 'I come to seek and save the lost sheep of Israel;' he loved the Jewish people.”

He shared his personal convictions from Romans 10 – “Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved.”

Friedman works alongside his wife, Vixie, as well as three other AG missionary couples including Chris and Shawna, Jeff and Tammy, and Michael and Judith.

The enthusiastic rabbi soon plans to take 20 health care professionals with him into Ethiopia for eight days in order to minister to thousands of lost Jews with hope for salvation.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: evangelism; messianicjews
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To: mountn man

While Quix can certainly defend his own remarks, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that his remarks were not actually meant as a means of keeping score for his denomination so much as excitement at seeing others that he identifies with being productive and preaching the Gospel.

It’s much the same way that I feel when I see a Free Will Baptist mentioned; more of an “attaboy” than a “Go us”.


51 posted on 01/19/2011 11:09:22 AM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: mountn man

Of course.

However,

the A of G gets a lot of flack on FR and elsewhere as the Pentecostal forerunner, standard bearer, more visible, Jimmy Swagart etc. etc. etc.

The Bible says

HONOR TO WHOM HONOR IS DUE.

It is fitting, on occasion, to give credit to the A of G when they get it right.

I stand by that post. It’s fitting to applaud, on occasion.


52 posted on 01/19/2011 11:19:13 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: paladin1_dcs

INDEED!


53 posted on 01/19/2011 11:20:02 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Uri’el-2012
He learned his anti-semitism when he was a RCC Priest.

Luther was actually somewhat philosemitic when the reformation began but turned viciously anti-jew in his later years. On the Jews and their lies was written only 3 years before his death.

Luthers anti-jew writings were often quoted by the Nazi's during their rise to power....from wiki:

....the Nazis displayed On the Jews and Their Lies during Nuremberg rallies, and the city of Nuremberg presented a first edition to Julius Streicher, editor of the Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer, the newspaper describing it as the most radically antisemitic tract ever published.

Luthers protestant church was deaply anti-jew and played a role in the run-up to the holocaust. It is documented fact.

54 posted on 01/19/2011 12:01:01 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: paladin1_dcs

So? That’s far from forcing conversion, or even annoying to death via proselytizing.


55 posted on 01/19/2011 1:10:28 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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To: wmfights
She challenged me to read from the Scriptures – Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Psalms

If she read to him from a Christian bible and it doesnt sound like he was an observant Jew, I could see how he would be duped.

56 posted on 01/19/2011 1:18:55 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: NYC GOP Chick

Just pointing out that your Rabbis have no problem changing their interpretation of the Torah when it suits them. Just like they think that Temple sacrifice is no longer required. Sorry, but did YHWH speak and change His Law when we weren’t paying attention or something? If you’re going to keep the Law, He says to keep all of it. To break one part of the Law is to break all of it, remember?


57 posted on 01/19/2011 1:28:02 PM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: blasater1960

So a “Christian” Bible is different than a “Jewish” one?

How’s that so, considering that our Old Testament is a direct translation of the Septuagint, which was YOUR Bible before it was added to ours. That dog just won’t hunt hoss.


58 posted on 01/19/2011 1:30:25 PM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: paladin1_dcs
Huh? I think you're posting to me your response to someone else.

That said: Just like they think that Temple sacrifice is no longer required.

Really? Where is the Temple these days?

We also don't do animal sacrifices anymore.

In any case, I don't need you lecturing me about my religion.

59 posted on 01/19/2011 1:56:37 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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To: Uri’el-2012

Amen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcwtv6PF8dM&feature=related


60 posted on 01/19/2011 2:30:19 PM PST by Lera
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To: Jewbacca

So is a Jew who accepts the Gospel a heretic, or a soul that has been saved?


61 posted on 01/19/2011 2:32:58 PM PST by turducken
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To: paladin1_dcs
So a “Christian” Bible is different than a “Jewish” one?

Yes...they are much different. Especially passages that can be tweaked to appear to be christological, when in the Hebrew text it is nothing of the sort.

As you may know or not, only the first 5 books of Moses was translated into the Greek by the Rabbi's. The authorship of the rest is unknown.

The current Hebrew bible is based upon the Masoretic text and not the septuagint. Furthermore, the main problem stems from English translations, where the Hebrew translations, tenses and contexts are all deviously changed to render a christological meaning in many passages.

I would be happy to supply a list if you would like.

62 posted on 01/19/2011 3:03:24 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: turducken

Jewish people obviously consider him a heretic, while Christians consider him one of them, I suppose.

Well, unless you are the Roman Catholic Church in the late 1400s and 1500s.

Then conversos are “marranos” (pigs), and subject to torture and persecution just to make sure the baptism stuck.

And of course, the Germans ignored any conversion, and killed Jewish people, regardless of religious beliefs.


63 posted on 01/19/2011 3:22:46 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: paladin1_dcs
Very, very well said.
64 posted on 01/19/2011 4:26:35 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: blasater1960; paladin1_dcs

The King James Bible was translated from the Masoretic text.

It’s the Catholic’s Bible that was translated from Septuagint.


65 posted on 01/19/2011 4:48:38 PM PST by Lera
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To: paladin1_dcs
Just like they think that Temple sacrifice is no longer required

That is Reform Judaism and they are not authoritative in matters of halacha, or Jewish Law. The Law in the Tanakh (OT) is forever. Which is why Paul is off his rocker, saying Jews dont have to follow the Law anymore. There is not one scripture in the OT that says the Messiah will end the Law, on the contrary,he will bring all of the Jewish people back to keeping the Law.

66 posted on 01/19/2011 4:54:42 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: Lera

Which is why I mentioned the problem was (in both cases) the, the translation into English. That is where the big problems arise, for the most part.


67 posted on 01/19/2011 5:00:53 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: paladin1_dcs

I totally agree! Good for you paladin1_dcs.


68 posted on 01/19/2011 6:29:20 PM PST by Sharondownunderinnz
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To: Uncle Miltie

Uncle Miltie at 11:49:22am.
“I paid for this site, as did each other full-on Freeper....” ??? I didn’t pay anything - I thought FR was free??? Am I missing something?


69 posted on 01/19/2011 6:39:05 PM PST by Sharondownunderinnz
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To: paladin1_dcs

Post 43: I think a little clarification is needed here. When I first read this comment “While the Torah is extremely strict in it’s conditions, it actually encourages those Gentiles who live among the Jews and who follow YHWH to keep the Law.” I thought you were wrong paladin1_dcs in that Gentile believers are never encouraged to go under the law. I was assuming you were referring to Gentile believers but when I re-read your post I realised you were referring to Gentiles in the Old Testament time who lived amongst the Jews and yes they were encouraged also to keep the law. I’m glad I worked your post out!


70 posted on 01/19/2011 6:57:53 PM PST by Sharondownunderinnz
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To: Lera
Amen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcwtv6PF8dM&feature=related

Blessings for the link.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
71 posted on 01/19/2011 6:58:38 PM PST by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Quix

Great ping, thanks!


72 posted on 01/19/2011 10:08:29 PM PST by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly - 2 Corinthians 10:3-5)
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To: blasater1960

?

Isaiah 53
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/isa53.pdf

Zec 12:10

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/zec12.pdf


73 posted on 01/19/2011 10:39:39 PM PST by Lera
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To: oprahstheantichrist

Thanks for your kind reply.


74 posted on 01/19/2011 11:12:19 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: vladimir998
Oh, please. Are you seriously going to compare a couple of centuries of Jews persecuting other Jews through mostly legal and social sanctions with two millennia of Christians repeatedly robbing, torturing, and murdering Jews?

Besides, the persecution of Jews against "Christians" (and I put that in quotes because they mostly ignored the Gentile portion of the Ekklesia) was dwarfed by the Gentile-dominated official Church's persecution of its own Jewish members. For between sixteen and eighteen centuries, Christianity made it impossible for a Jew to come to faith in a Jewish Messiah without giving up being Jewish. Whole inquisitions (including one rather famous one in Spain) were targeted specifically at Jewish believers in Yeshua to make them stop being Jewish.

Perhaps you should stop nursing a grudge over the relatively mild and short persecution of Jews against Christians and focus your wrath on the horrible and extended persecution of Christians against Christians--specifically, against what we today would call Messianic Jews.

Shalom

75 posted on 01/20/2011 6:11:37 AM PST by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: vladimir998
Well, since there wasn’t 2,000 years of the “same” no I don’t find it so hard to compare.

Please tell me that you're not actually that ignorant of history.

Shalom

76 posted on 01/20/2011 6:19:20 AM PST by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Buggman

You wrote:

“Oh, please. Are you seriously going to compare a couple of centuries of Jews persecuting other Jews through mostly legal and social sanctions with two millennia of Christians repeatedly robbing, torturing, and murdering Jews?”

Yes, because the latter really didn’t happen. The idea that Jews were repeatedly robbed, tortured and murdered for two millenia is an assertion without any proof. Was there oppression of Jews? Yes. Was it constant? No. If it happened as you say it, then there would be no Jews in any Christian country today.

“Besides, the persecution of Jews against “Christians” (and I put that in quotes because they mostly ignored the Gentile portion of the Ekklesia) was dwarfed by the Gentile-dominated official Church’s persecution of its own Jewish members.”

What? Jewish members? Okay, I’ll bite: Where did the Church have Jewish members in say the 10th century?

“For between sixteen and eighteen centuries, Christianity made it impossible for a Jew to come to faith in a Jewish Messiah without giving up being Jewish.”

When Jewishness is automatically associated with the denial of Christianity you can see why that would be a problem. Even today Jewish converts to orthodox Christianity routinely - and oif their own accord - give up most Jewish practices for they see them as largely a foreshadowing of Christian ones. Besides, most Jews today barely practice Judaism. Many are really agnostic Jews who only discover faith in God through Christianity.

“Whole inquisitions (including one rather famous one in Spain) were targeted specifically at Jewish believers in Yeshua to make them stop being Jewish.”

False. The Spanish Inquisition was actually formed - if you actually read the primary documents (which I bet you never have) - for the prortection of New Christians (those of Jewish ancestory) from attacks by Old Christians and to protect the Old Christians from deceptions practiced by New Christians (e.g. such as a priest of New Christian extraction never giving absolution to penitents and rebellions by New Christians as well).

“Perhaps you should stop nursing a grudge over the relatively mild and short persecution of Jews against Christians and focus your wrath on the horrible and extended persecution of Christians against Christians—specifically, against what we today would call Messianic Jews.”

1) Murder of believers in Christ can never be called mild except by someone who is an apologist for Satan.

2) No Christians today are persecuting “Messianic Christians” - but Jews in Israel are persecuting both “Messianic Christians” and those who come from centuries old Christian families. And it is getting worse.


77 posted on 01/20/2011 6:33:06 AM PST by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: Buggman

You wrote:

“Please tell me that you’re not actually that ignorant of history.”

I’m not ignorant about history. I have a PhD in history. So far all you have done is post assertions.


78 posted on 01/20/2011 6:34:53 AM PST by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: vladimir998
Was there oppression of Jews? Yes. Was it constant? No.

That would be why I said "repeatedly," not "constantly." Jews might be allowed in to live in a country for a time, but always, after a couple of centuries (and usually coinciding with not wanting to pay them back the money owed to them) the Christian king would kick the Jews out and they would have to resettle elsewhere, their property having been seized. And of course, it wasn't this nice, neat, peaceful theft, but more often involved pogroms, murders, synagogue burnings, false charges, etc.

Where did the Church have Jewish members in say the 10th century?

Shlomo Pines has found documents indicating that Messianic Jews had their own communities as late as the 11th century (see The Jewish Christians of the Early Centuries of Christianity According to a New Source, if you can find a copy). You can also see the various bulls and confessions designed to stop Jewish believers from continuing to live as Jews in an article here.

Obviously, such confessions and bulls would not be necessary if there weren't Jews who were trying to follow Yeshua but who were trying to continue in Jewish practices. While I don't have one specifically from the 11th Century, given the well-established precedents of the Church in the previous centuries, I don't think it too much to speculate that they were a) hiding in Muslim countries, as Pines has discovered; b) keeping their heads down in Europe; c) staying quietly in the synagogues, as many Jewish believers in Yeshua do today; or D) living among the Coptic Christians, who were far less antagonistic to them.

But let us suppose, ignoring the evidence, that we had absolutely no evidence of such Jewish believers. That would simply prove the efficiency of the genocide. Think about it: We have Latin Christians, Greek Christians, Germans, Irish, Egyptian, Arab, Assyrian, Persian, etc. all within the Church, all with their own cultural distinctives, even some that are acknowledged holdovers from paganism (e.g., Halloween). Why don't we see Jewish Christians with distinctly Jewish cultural distinctives as a notable body during the Middle Ages?

Answer: Because they were forced to adopt the Gentile Christian culture under penalty of law. European Christianity basically declared that one could be a Christian from any culture at all--as long as it wasn't Jewish.

When Jewishness is automatically associated with the denial of Christianity you can see why that would be a problem.

Telling Jews that they had to become as Gentiles in order to be saved--and I've provided the documentation that this is exactly what happened--is every bit as much of a false "gospel" as telling Gentiles that they must Judaize, and as such is deserving of the exact same penalty.

Let's turn this around for a moment. Would a Jewish believer in the 1st Century saying, "When Gentileness is automatically associated with idolatry, you can see the problem" somehow annul the Acts 15 council or the book of Galatians and make it right to force Gentile converts to become fully Jewish in order to "prove" their faith? No. As a matter of fact, that's the very argument that Paul shredded in Galatians and Ephesians.

Moreover, the Apostles themselves expected that Jewish Nazarenes would continue to keep Jewish practices--in fact, to become more zealous for the Torah, not less, as I document in this article. As a matter of fact, they were still offering sacrifices thirty years after the Cross.

Even today Jewish converts to orthodox Christianity routinely - and oif their own accord - give up most Jewish practices for they see them as largely a foreshadowing of Christian ones.

Others refuse to be associated with Christianity and practice their faith in the traditional synagogues. More still are finding their way into Messianic synagogues and are discovering the joy of a Yeshua-centered Judaism, like my in-laws. The fact is that this is the first time in nearly two millennia that this was even an option.

And here's the surprising thing: There are so many Gentile Christians who wish to immerse themselves in the Jewish roots of their faith and to understand exactly what it means that the Messiah was prefigured by the whole of Torah that in most Messianic congregations they completely outnumber the born Jews. How to handle that without sacrificing the necessary Jewishness of a Messianic synagogue is actually the biggest question that the movement as a whole is wrestling with right now.

Besides, most Jews today barely practice Judaism. Many are really agnostic Jews who only discover faith in God through Christianity.

That's true. But it also serves to bolster the anti-missionary argument that Christianty only preys on the spiritually weak and ignorant and has nothing to offer the spiritually mature and culturally educated Jew. Moreover, when you assimilate a spiritually weak Jew into Christianity and remove him from the Jewish world, you effectively take a lamp and hide it under a basket. You remove a potential witness. And you harden the rest of the community against the true Gospel by offering it the false dichotomy of choosing between being a Christian or being a Jew.

The Spanish Inquisition was actually formed . . .

The rest of your paragraph made zero sense. The Inquisition was formed to root out of Spain any remaining influence or agents of the departed Muslims. Since the Jews of Andalusia had actually done pretty well under Islam (though there were sporatic persecutions there too), the Jews who refused to convert to Christianity were forced to leave. Those who did were under constant suspicion, and the Inquisition made it its job to root out those who continued to keep Jewish practices in secret.

My rabbi's surname is Moreno-Bryars. "Moreno" was a term that meant, basically, "pig" and which was applied to the Jewish conversos by the Spanish. He has ancestors that fled to the New World to escape the persecutions. We have other members of our synagogue with similar family backgrounds. They mostly kept Catholic practices, but for centuries passed down Jewish traditions as well, such as lighting Sabbath candles on Friday night in secret in the basement to escape the attention of the men with the not-so-comfy chairs.

1) Murder of believers in Christ can never be called mild except by someone who is an apologist for Satan.

Nor can murder of Messiah's people, which you have done, both those who believed in Yeshua and were persecuted by official Christendom, and those who did not. In fact, you have today demonstrated the truth of Jeremiah 50:7: "All that found them have devoured them: and their adversaries said, We offend not, because they have sinned against the LORD, the habitation of justice, even the LORD, the hope of their fathers."

In any case, I referred to it as "mild" only in comparison, as you know. Which it was, as you know though won't admit.

2) No Christians today are persecuting “Messianic Christians”

I didn't say they were. I was pointing out the truth of the historical treatment of what we would today term Messianic Jews. ("Messianic Christians" is a repetative, nonsense term.)

but Jews in Israel are persecuting both “Messianic Christians” and those who come from centuries old Christian families. And it is getting worse.

Worse in some quarters, better in others. There are rabbis on the Sanhedrin who are favorable towards accepting Messianic Jews who live as Jews as being within the bounds of traditional Judaism. They're holding off on that decision until we get our act together enough to give them a unified body to talk to. One poll I saw indicates that 70% of Israelis consider Messianic Jews (again, those living as Jews) to be Jews first rather than Christians. The courts have ruled that Messianic Jews cannot be discriminated against when it comes to declaring their stores kosher or not. There have been quite a few sympathetic news stories regarding Messianics in the Israeli press.

Is it all a rosy picture? Of course not. I'd be worried if it were, since that would indicate that the Adversary didn't see us as a threat. And it will get worse before it gets better. There have been shunnings, synagogue trashings, protests, assaults, and one nutcase with a bomb. But unlike in most places where we see persecution against Christians, there have not been mass murders, no mass arrests by the state, no burnings of houses of worship, or the like. Nor have the country's Gentile Christians been under assault.

Quite simply, the situation on the ground does not justify your attempt at moral equivalence, nor do the annals of history.

79 posted on 01/20/2011 9:02:13 AM PST by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Buggman

You wrote:

“...(see The Jewish Christians of the Early Centuries of Christianity According to a New Source, if you can find a copy).”

Schoeps, Munck, Danielou, Bagatti, Longenecker all published works on Jewish “Christian” sects at about the same time as Pines (1949-1970). Ebionites and similar groups were not Christian. They were not orthodox.

I wrote: “The Spanish Inquisition was actually formed . . .”

You responded with:

“The rest of your paragraph made zero sense. The Inquisition was formed to root out of Spain any remaining influence or agents of the departed Muslims.”

False. The inquisition was formed SOLELY to deal with Christians and those who violated the natural law in rare circumstances.

“Since the Jews of Andalusia had actually done pretty well under Islam (though there were sporatic persecutions there too), the Jews who refused to convert to Christianity were forced to leave.”

That had nothing to do with the inquisition. The crown made that decision.

“Those who did were under constant suspicion, and the Inquisition made it its job to root out those who continued to keep Jewish practices in secret. “

They were Christians. If you are practicing another religion’s rituals while claiming to be Christian then you are subject to a Christian tribunal’s judgment.


80 posted on 01/20/2011 10:18:57 AM PST by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: Lera
Isaiah 53 http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/isa53.pdf Zec 12:10 http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/zec12.pdf

This highlights the point very well. The interlinear does give a better one-to-one with the Hebrew text, than the KJV or other Christian English translations. Look at Isaiah 7 and Psalm 22 in your interlinear. The interlinear still misses some subtle points as well though.

Isaiah 7:14Interlinear: the·damsel The JudaicaPress Hebrew: the young woman The KJV: a virgin

The interlinear is closer to the JP than the KJV, no virgin but a young woman.

Psalm 22:16Interlinear: ones-doing-evil they-cencompass·me as·the·lion The JP Hebrew: band of evildoers has encompassed me, like a lion The KJV: the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet

Again,The interlinear is closer to the JP than the KJV. No piercing of the hands and feet but surrounded like a lion, consistent with Psalm 22:12-13

Zech 12:10 Interlinear:and·they-look to·me whom they-stabbed JPS Hebrew: and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through The KJV: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced,

Analysis by Messiah Truth:

Specifically, the problem concerns the mistranslation of the Hebrew expression (et asher-daqaru) found in Zechariah 12:10B(i), which reads: because of him who they pierced [or because of the ones who they pierced], when correctly translated.

The Hebrew words (et) and (asher) are ubiquitous in the Hebrew Bible. (et) is a preposition that serves as the marker of a definite direct object of a verb. In its root form, it is similar to the definite article the in English. However, unlike the case of the English language, (et) can be conjugated, and thereby it becomes the objective case of the respective pronoun, such as (oti), me (1st-person, singular, masculine or feminine pronoun; as in "He taught me."), (ot'cha), you (2nd-person, singular, masculine pronoun; as in "He taught you."), etc. The word (et) may also serve as the preposition with, and it can be conjugated in that context as well, albeit differently, such as, (itti), with me, (it'cha), with you, etc. The Hebrew word (asher) is a conjunction, a part of speech that connects other words or phrases. (asher) can mean because or for, that or which, who or whom, and it may take on various other meanings when combined with prepositions.

When (et) and (asher) occur together as a phrase, and in the particular grammatical structure, such as is found in Zechariah 12:10B(i), the phrase (et asher) must be read as, because of or concerning or regarding [something] or simply because or that which, but not simply as whom or the one, which are common in Christian translations. The particular translation depends on the context of the specific passage. The following example demonstrates this in another passage which has a grammatical structure similar to Zechariah 12:10B(i):

1 Samuel 30:23 – And David said, "You will not do so, my brothers, concerning that which [ (et asher)] the L-rd has given us, and He watched over us, and delivered the troop that came against us into our hand.

The KJV has a correct translation of that passage:

1 Samuel 30:23(KJV) – Then said David, Ye shall not do so, my brethren, with that which the LORD hath given us, who hath preserved us, and delivered the company that came against us into our hand.

The special application of this combination, (et asher) appears to have been better understood by the writers of the Christian Septuagint (LXX), in which appears the following rendition of Zechariah 12:10B(i):

Zechariah 12:10B(i)(LXX) - and they shall look upon me, because they have mocked me,

Although still badly mistranslated and inaccurate, the LXX rendition does not at all resemble the common Christian translations, and it has the (et asher) at least partially right.

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Isaiah 53 is interesting. The interlinear gets some important parts correct, such as Is 53:8, second to the last word is nagua in the hebrew, which means plague. The KJV makes it stricken (as in a beating)the interlinear says a contagion, which is closer to the hebrew than stricken. Jesus was never a diseased person, so clearly that isnt him.

Also, the last word in Is 53:8 is lamo, which means "them". The KJV has it "he" and the interlinear has it "to him" which is also not correct. This is very important because rendered "them" is obviously plural, meaning the servant is a plurality, which makes it impossible for the servant to be Jesus. Here is why.

The word which KJV translated in the second half of the verse in the singular is the Hebrew word "lamo." In numerous places throughout the Bible, and in Isaiah in particular, you find "lamo" translated as "them." See Isaiah 15:4 ("be thou a covert to them."), 23:1 ("from the land of Chittim it is revealed to them."), 44:7 ("let them show unto them."), and 48:21 ("He caused waters to flow out of the rock for them.") A much more accurate rendering of the last half of that verse is Artscroll’s "an affliction upon them that was my people’s sin."

A significant difference exists in the way the Hebrew word (lamo) is translated in the respective versions of the last phrase. The Jewish version renders the word as upon them, while the KJV renders it as he. This difference in translation also creates a significant difference in the context of the phrase. In the Jewish rendition, the context points to a nation that was stricken. In the KJV translation, the context points to an individual who was afflicted. Since both versions cannot be simultaneously valid, which is the correct rendition?

A closer look at the word (lamo) helps resolve this issue. A good Hebrew-Hebrew dictionary will identify the word (lamo) as a synonym for the word (lahem), meaning, them(selves), for them(selves), to/unto them(selves), they [have] (particularly in Biblical Hebrew).

A very good 6 part series on Isaiah 53. Here is the 3 part that covers Isaiah 53:8, scroll down to the discussion on lamo. At the end is a button that will take you back to part 1. It is worth reading all 6.

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Shalom.

81 posted on 01/20/2011 1:06:54 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blasater1960

Shalom


82 posted on 01/21/2011 2:09:14 AM PST by Lera
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