Skip to comments.Abuse of Caucus [whiner's caucus]
Posted on 02/22/2011 2:53:04 PM PST by Natural Law
An alarming trend is developing in the Free Republic Religion Forum in which a caucus identifier is being claimed for non-existent or impossibly defined groups. With the caucuses being self defined we see nonsense like the Sola Scriptura Caucus. Of course it doesnt mean all Scripture, only the thread initiators or Forum Moderators definition of Scripture. Jews who believe in the Scripture of the Old Testament are excluded. Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, and Jehovahs Witnesses are excluded even though they believe in the sufficiency of their own versions of Scripture. The not so transparent purpose of these faux caucuses is clearly to exclude a group of FReepers in a modern day repetition of Whites Only and Irish Need Not Apply prejudice. If this is allowed to stand what will we see next; caucuses so narrowly defined so as to only include ones bridge club or to exclude an individual FReeper? How about a caucus designation for everyone but citizens from New York? How about a mens only caucus? How about a caucus for those of us who drive BMWs? And what is being discussed in these faux caucus threads? Critical doctrinal issues such as ruggedized aircraft, home schooling, and civil unrest in Egypt. Give me a break!
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
That sounds allot like the ‘denomination’ differences with those in the Protestant court. Catholics use differeing names just as Protestants do....the difference i think is the protestants are for the most part focused on the Centrality of Christ Jesus... Catholics for the most part are focused on their church name and the leadership over it...regardless of their standing regarding Rome they remain focused on the church and it’s teachings and rites. Christ Himself being secondary IMO.
RIGHT! will add that.
Jim added the ‘whiner’ thread title. It was a good call.
Working in Caesar’s household takes prayer~
Jim added the whiner thread title. It was a good call.
One of the more anointed, accurate, discerning, brilliant, clarifying moves he’s made on FR in all its existence.
I agree. Now, if he would add a way for me to filter my “Latest Posts” page to exclude vaguely worded Religious threads, I’m good.
I’ve enjoyed such narratives over the last 30-40 years.
They seem to have been increasing in frequency as well as in detail and length of time spent in Heaven before returning.
“Those who refrain from self-identifying as “Roman Catholics” tend to be from the more liberal branch of that church.”
However, since this is a conservative website, it would most likely be erroneous to assume that freepers who refrain from self-identifying as “Roman Catholics” are liberals.
That sounds blessed. To visit heaven and see the face of God. How did they come back?
Absolutely it takes prayer...and courage I might add. More than once my stomach did flip-flops before entering those meetings. I knew I was walking into a lions den. We were up against some powerful figures...the Pres. of the Chamber was also one of the top dogs of the local Nuclear Power Plant..... The Vice Pres. President was head of the Industrial Development Association in the area. Both had strong tentacles throughout the community to those in high places.
So you can imagine going into this fray being new to the arena....interesting is I didn’t realize myself the clout I had among those there who I joined with in bringing this down. But I had “open door” into any company of my choosing in the community....which also ment an opportunity to communicate the truth to those who needed to know. Walking on eggshells hardly says enough!
So yes...no steps without communicating with the Lord who really was who was orchestrating the plays, and for those hHe was clearly using......and great courage given in the face of fear.
Theres one I qualify for.
That’s a study in itself.
Those killed in accidents . . . tended to see their bodies lying below them . . . and then kind of like slipped back into their bodies as one would put on a set of coveralls.
Many were given the option of coming back or staying in Heaven. Some were not. Those given the option who came back returned because of family needing them etc.
Some who were just GIVEN the experience a la the Apostle Paul . . . like Roland Buck . . . just ‘woke back up in his body sitting at his desk with the velum sheet listing the 120 items God had told him would happen in the future—held in his hands.’
The most interesting was Jesse Du Plantis who seemed to come and go in a kind of gondola capsule with an angel riding in it with him. No memory of the travels in it, however, just in getting out of it in Heaven and getting back in it in Heaven to return to earth. His narrative is on YouTube. His is the only one I’ve ever read with that detail.
Most of the uninjured non-death-by-disease types of visits also included Christ guided visites to hell.
Respectfully, caww, our leadership is Jesus Christ. If I may be so bold, NYer had a great article about them, better than I can recount at the here & now. It can be found here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2676567/posts.
NYer’s article will explain better, though I will simply say, no, no denominations here. Anyway, have a day.
The Lady Gaga of funkadelic spiritism.
Most of the uninjured non-death-by-disease types of visits also included Christ guided visites to hell.
One of the more interesting was an atheist MD . . . DR Eby or some such, IIRC . . .
Heart attack victim . . . A not very Christian childhood Episcopalian MD was resucitating him—11 times—rather an unusually high number of such attempts.
Every time the “Episcopal” MD would bring Dr Eby around, Dr Eby would be SCREAMING BLOOD CURDLINGLY LOUD:
“I’M IN HELL, GET ME OUT OF HERE! HELP! I’M IN HELL! GET ME OUT OF HERE!”
Episcopal MD found that rather disconcerting and annoying and finally, in exasperation, remembering faintly something from Sunday School, screamed back:
“OH, PRAY TO JESUS AND SHUT UP!”
That resucitation took and Dr Eby went on to live and then recount his experience in hell. He became a staunch Christian.
May the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob rebuke such an ignorant perspective.
Are you a Lady Gaga fan?
As for Jesse, I hope God is merciful on this scam artist/false teacher.
Perhaps you’d benefit from The Lord giving you such a tour.
I’ll ask Him if He’d be willing to oblige.
I guarantee it will take such derision right out of y’all—or anyone—in a flash.
27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house,Youve been snookered.
28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
29 Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.'
30 And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
31 But he said to him,'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' " (Luke 16)
It’s sadly comforting when y’all display so brazenly such Biblical ignorance.
You gonna take a personal trip in Jesse DuPeePees cocoon with his angel bud?
As my wife says, You aint been had until youve been had by a Christian.
Only in the fantasy world of fundamentalist Futurama is quoting the Bible a sign of ignorance. (BTW, Luke 16 is in the Bible.)
I take your "rebuke" as a badge of honor.
Ping to the party.
Seeing what is not there, and denying what is clearly there can never be countered.
What slick use of potty language.
I think I’ll leave your . . . grossly flawed perspective and posts for a while.
They aren’t currently even mildly amusing.
WOW. I'd have to go to the dog pound to see more butt kissing.
You go off into some tirade about the Rock. I will quote my conclusion:
The keys are the final clue. Kings in those times gave the keys to the kingdom to their chief steward who looked after the day to day affairs for them. If the king went on a journey, the steward looked after the kingdom for him until he returned. Thus it is with the Church. They have the God-given authority, as Scripture affirms. The children of the Reformation do not.
And I will reaffirm what Scripture points out. Jesus gave the Church His authority on Earth. The children of the Reformation have none.
I think that you’re getting a tad pudgy around the middle and your roots need touching up. But the nose is positioned where I had imagined it to be.
lol, the Silver Meteor
"The tradition of Festivus begins with the Airing of Grievances. I got a lot of problems with you people!"
Certainly. I hope and pray for all Paulicians to reject their pagan ways and return to the Christianity of Jesus Christ, for instance.
Good to know.
Those who refrain from self-identifying as "Roman Catholics" tend to be from the more liberal branch of that church.
Nice to see that your interpretation of posts is approximately as equal as your interpretation of Scripture. Notice the phrase: "Emphasizing the connection with the particular church rather than the Roman Church"?
Standing ovation. You've done it again.
Another fake and charlatan. Didn't he claim to comfort Jesus?
Most fairy stories are for-profit ventures.
Izzat so? You are the one spouting off about tours of heaven and hell. Any thoughts (!) on Dante's little sojourn?
As long as the various Protestant groups represented here or other groups designate a thread as “Caucus” to discuss their own Theological positions and propose them for discussion and that thread does not get into a “compare and contrast”, then by all means I could care less as there is really nothing in most of those various traditions that interest me, and I would conjecture, most Catholics here.
There are few Traditional Anglicans and maybe some Lutherans who have some interesting things as those 2 groups have retained the Creeds and Liturgy and thus there is a better connection for charitable discussion between Catholics and Protestants from those Two traditions.
The only “Sola Scriptura” caucus thread that I saw that I questioned was the one regarding Egypt and its Christian population or lack thereof, etc. While the article mentioned that Egypt has a 10% Christian population, the article implied that what those Christians needed was American Protestantism, which in my view, was an implicit attack on the Coptic Orthodox Christians, who are probably 99% of the Christians in Egypt and have a history dating back to St. Mark in the 1st century.
Had the article in question stated there is chance to evangelize the 90% of Egypt’s population that is non-Christian, then I have no problem again, but it did mention the 10% of Egytians who belong to the Coptic Orthodox Church and thus the Eastern Orthodox should have been allowed to respond in that thread.
Still, if some group wants to form a caucus thread for discussing their own theology and tradition, go for it as from my perspective it actually helps because the threads labled Calvinist, Baptist, Joel Osteen, Pentecostal, Rapture/Dispensationalist caucus threads do not interest me at all. Period! and thus I save time.
I firmly believe such a perspective/attitude is Biblically and experientially wrong.
For those interested in considering the evidence:
Dr Richard Eby:
first time I’ve come across the below. He comes across as quite Biblical and devoted to Jesus:
PASTOR LONNIE HONEYCUTT . . . PART 1
PASTOR LONNIE HONEYCUTT PART 2
PASTOR LONNIE HONEYCUTT PART 3
PASTOR LONNIE HONEYCUT PART 4
JESSE DUPLANTIS CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE GOD KIND:
For those obsessed with contending over such with what come across to me as ignorant jerk-water opinions—knock yourself out. I may not reply.
For those who are willing to seek The Lord about what HE WOULD SAY TO YOU about such—Wonderful. May He speak clearly to you.
You can stop yelling at me please. I already told you politely how I believe.
I don’t think it’s a “hill to die on” issue.
I’m not arguing with you or mocking you about it, I just firmly don’t believe in it.
Continue the discussion if you wish, but without me - we’ll catch up aain later bro :-)
As you wish.
>> I give you Ephesians (the Church is built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets),<<
Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Nothing about Peter being the rock nor the pope there. Jesus is the cornerstone.
1 Cor. 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Hmm. Seems Paul would disagree about your concept of the foundation.
Check this site: http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisName/foundationtwo.html
Misconception #1Apostles, along with Prophets, Are the Foundation of the Church.
This is probably the most serious misconception and is based on a faulty reading of Eph. 2:20 where Paul tells the Ephesian believers that they are being built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets . . .. In the Greek, apostles and prophets is in the genitive case, the case which shows possession. It is like saying the car of John Doe. Although the car and John Doe are related, it does not follow that the car is John Doe or that John Doe is the car.
In the same way, it does not follow that the foundation is identical with the apostles and prophets or that the apostles and prophets are identical with the foundation. Paul is actually referring to the foundation which is laid by the apostles and prophets as is borne out in his 1st letter to the Corinthian Church; a church he, as an apostle, had founded.
In 1 Cor. 3:10-11, Paul refers to his founding of the church at Corinth and says, I have laid the foundation and another builds on it. What foundation did Paul lay for the church in Corinth? He says in vs. 11, For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid which is Jesus Christ. The foundation of the apostle Paul in Corinth was Jesus Christ.
>> The keys are the final clue.<<
An in Matthew 18 Jesus gave the keys and power to all the apostles.