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The Companionship of the Holy Ghost - Mormon
LDS.org ^ | August 1988 | Carlos E. Asay

Posted on 07/25/2011 10:34:37 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

The Companionship of the Holy Ghost

By Elder Carlos E. Asay

Of the First Quorum of the Seventy

For many unmarried Latter-day Saints, particularly some of the single sisters, courtship and eternal companionship are unrealized dreams. You long for them, you know eternal companionship is a crucial part of the gospel, and yet you feel frustrated because no worthy partner is available.

It is tempting to wish that I could match you with perfect companions in an instant and send you off for the eternities in joyful marriages. But such a solution would be satanic. Satan, you will remember, wanted to dictate the courses of our lives, doing away with our testing and choosing, thus frustrating our Father’s plan and stopping our progress.

Your courtship with a mortal companion is not something you can dictate or plan by yourself. But there is a companionship of great and eternal significance over which you do have full and complete control. It is a companionship that can be obtained and enjoyed by all, regardless of age or sex. It is a companionship that heals loneliness, motivates to excellence, and gives meaning to life. It is the companionship of one of the members of the Godhead—the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, the Revelator, the Sanctifier, the Spirit of the Lord. It is a companionship which will assure you that you’re not alone, and will never be alone.

Mortal companionships—one person with another—are important and essential, and if they are cemented by love and mutual respect, they can become heavenly in nature and bring unspeakable joy. Any such companionship, however, becomes vacant and somewhat meaningless without the influence of the Holy Ghost. No mortal companionship ever overshadowed or surpassed in importance the binding of a person to the Spirit of the Lord.

“Prayed for That Which They Most Desired”

It is significant that while Christ taught and prayed with the Nephites, “they did pray for that which they most desired; and they desired that the Holy Ghost should be given unto them.” (3 Ne. 19:9.) As Church members, we have completed the necessary steps of faith, repentance, and baptism and have had authorized hands placed on our heads to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. But just as love between friends or companions must be cultivated and nourished like a tender plant, so likewise must a companionship with the Holy Spirit be cultivated.

When I was a young man I fell in love with a beautiful girl. More than anything in the world, I wanted to receive her love and eternal companionship. I therefore behaved my best, spoke my best, and gave my best as I courted her and sought to gain her favor. Even after she was promised to me, I recognized the need to continue the courting. My desire was, and still is, to please her and to avoid any offense. She is my inspiration, my motivation to live on a high and noble level.

The companionship of the Holy Ghost is cultivated in much the same manner. To obtain his influence and companionship, we must be our best; we must be worthy of his presence. I see five things we must do to attract and retain the Holy Spirit.

1. We must keep our bodies clean.

We must not pollute our mortal tabernacles in any way. We must live the Word of Wisdom; we must not misuse our powers of procreation; we must do whatever is possible to avoid disease or other enemies of our physical bodies. “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.” (1 Cor. 3:16–17.)

2. We must keep our minds clean.

We must guard against all suggestive and carnal notions and other satanic influences. From the Doctrine and Covenants, we receive this advice and promise: “Let virtue garnish thy thoughts unceasingly; then shall thy confidence wax strong in the presence of God; and the doctrine of the priesthood shall distil upon thy soul as the dews from heaven. The Holy Ghost shall be thy constant companion.” (D&C 121:45–46.)

Few things are more repulsive than evil minds and the filth they produce. Can one hope to enjoy the companionship of the Holy Spirit when one is double-minded—that, when his mind shares time with the evil one? I think not.

3. We must exercise faith and reserve a place in our hearts for the Holy Spirit.

Manifestations of the Spirit of God, we are told, are forfeited in the absence of faith. Moroni spoke openly of the gifts of the Spirit, including healing and tongues, then cautioned: “All these gifts of which I have spoken, which are spiritual, never will be done away, even as long as the world shall stand, only according to the unbelief of the children of men.” (Moro. 10:19.)

It is most important that we understand “that the Holy Ghost may have place in [our] hearts” only when we exercise faith in Christ. (Moro. 7:32.) How can we be acceptable to the Holy Ghost without recognizing and acknowledging those whom he represents—those of whom he testifies and bears witness? Loving and seeking the Christlike life is true worship—the kind of worship that opens our lives to the power of the Holy Ghost.

4. We must avoid all iniquity, all manner of wickedness.

As stated previously, gifts of the Lord cease when faith is missing. The same applies, and the problem is compounded, when iniquity is present.

Alma said, “No unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven.” (Alma 11:37.) Similarly, no unclean person can achieve a lasting relationship with the Spirit of God.

5. We must pray, feast upon the words of Christ, and walk uprightly before God.

The Spirit of the Lord teaches and entices a man to pray. (See 2 Ne. 32:8–9.) The words of Christ help us to understand who the Holy Spirit is and how he may be invited into our presence. (See 2 Ne. 32:1–3.) The Spirit of God persuades men to do good and to believe in Christ. (See Ether 4:11–12; Moro. 7:16–17.) So prayer, scripture study, and righteous living are musts.

The skeptic or gospel novice might inquire: “Why seek the Holy Ghost? Why strive for his companionship? What is in it for me?” Answers to these questions are abundant if we are receptive to the testimonies of those who know and have associated with the Spirit of the Lord. Some of these testimonies help to answer questions about the value of association with the Holy Ghost.

Would you like to possess perfect foresight, perfected powers to anticipate what to do under certain circumstances? If so, you must do as Nephi directed: “Enter in by the way, and receive the Holy Ghost, [for] it will show unto you all things what ye should do.” (2 Ne. 32:5.)

“Would You Like the Power of Discernment?”

Would you like to have powers of discernment—the power to identify truth? If so, you must read the word of God, acknowledge God’s Goodness, ponder, and ask of God. Through doing this, Moroni testifies, “By the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.” (Moro. 10:5.)

While I was a mission president in Texas, I was informed that a particular missionary had lost his testimony and wanted to go home. Some checking disclosed that doubts of the divinity of his call had been planted in the young man’s mind by an investigator. In an interview with the so-called investigator, I experienced special powers of discernment that enabled me to know that the man was a minister of another faith, posing as a college student and pretending to be an honest investigator of Mormonism. Confronted with the knowledge that had been revealed to me, he became confused and admitted his fraud. With the deceiver out of the way and the truth known, the missionary stayed and completed an honorable mission.

On one occasion, a missionary in the final week of his mission reminded me that I had given him clearance two years previously to serve a mission. The clearance had been extended with some reservations on my part because he had indulged in a number of transgressions before his mission. He said: “Elder Asay, you allowed me to go into the field after due repentance and after I promised that I would be strictly obedient and would work diligently. I can assure you that I have worked hard and have obeyed every rule.” Then he said something very significant. “I feel that my sins have been forgiven. I feel perfectly clean.” He had been cleansed through selfless service and by developing a close association with the Holy Spirit. He had been through the refiner’s fire, and impurities had been burned away.

“Would You Like to Hear Revelations from God?”

Would you like to have the power to hear, feel, and know the revelations of God? Through the Prophet Joseph Smith, the Lord promised, “I will tell you in your mind and in your heart, by the Holy Ghost. … This is the spirit of revelation.” (D&C 8:2–3.)

I have heard President Marion G. Romney, at the conclusion of his testimony in a temple meeting, say something like this: “You may not have needed to hear what I have said today and you probably didn’t learn anything new. However, I learned something while speaking and I needed to hear these words.” This is a beautiful and open acknowledgment of the influence of the Holy Spirit.

Would you like to enjoy spiritual gifts—powers to heal, be healed, speak in tongues, for example? If so, give heed to the prophet Moroni’s words: “And all these gifts come by the Spirit of Christ; and they come unto every man severally, according as he will.” (Moro. 10:17.)

Would you like convincing powers of speech—the power to speak like an angel? If so, note Nephi’s question, “Do ye not remember that I said unto you that after ye had received the Holy Ghost ye could speak with the tongue of angels?” (2 Ne. 32:2.)

Thirty years ago, while I served as a missionary in the Near East, my companion and I were assigned to visit a branch that had been torn apart by division and apostasy. We approached our assignment humbly and prayerfully. A crucial meeting was held involving the disaffected parties. My companion was selected to preach the sermon that we hoped would bring everyone together again. After we had fasted and prayed earnestly, he stood with confidence and worked the miracle. He spoke with the tongue of an angel. That young, inexperienced elder’s words healed wounds festering in the hearts of men much older than he, prompted confessions, and literally saved a branch of the Church.

“Would You Like the Power to Resist Temptation?”

Would you like the power to ward off and resist temptation? If so, do as Alma and Paul suggested: “Pray continually, … and thus be led by the Holy Spirit.” (Alma 13:28.)

Would you like to obtain perfect peace and assurance in all that you do? If so, make the Holy Ghost your companion and you, too, may receive the type of assurance given Nephi and Lehi: “Peace, peace be unto you, because of your faith in my Well Beloved, who was from the foundation of the world.” (Hel. 5:47.)

Finally, would you like the power to perform beyond your natural abilities? Would you like the help of unseen powers in all that you do? I refer to the power to speak with convincing authority—even the power to receive promptings that enable you to say things that you had not planned. I speak of the power to receive impressions, which, if heeded, bring blessings to you and others.

Mortal men and women are endowed with marvelous abilities and potential. But however great these mortal powers may be, they are only a shadow of those powers that can be claimed through a linkage with the Holy Spirit.

I hope you do not say to yourself that these words about a companionship with the Spirit are for someone else, not you. God is no respecter of persons. His blessings and gifts are not reserved for a precious few. It matters not whether you are an Apostle or a deacon, a Relief Society officer or a Primary teacher. All of us have the promise of gifts of the Spirit if we place ourselves in a position to claim them.

If your introduction to this divine companion seems incomplete, review your baptism and confirmation and determine whether you have really received him as you were commanded to do. Pay careful attention to your physical cleanliness, the cleanliness of your thoughts, the extent of your faith in Christ, your inclination to avoid all manner of sin, and your prayer and study habits.

It is wise from time to time to do some reflective thinking and determine whether you really know the Holy Ghost. Pause long enough to measure your acquaintance with spiritual gifts and powers. See whether foresight, discernment, sanctification, revelation, spiritual gifts, angelic speech, peace of assurance, and attendant blessings are evident in your life. Determine whether spiritual experiences are sprinkled generously throughout your daily living. And, if you find yourself wanting, have the courage to change and place your life in order.

If you will do these things, you need never be alone, for you will have the most important companion of all—the Holy Ghost.



TOPICS: General Discusssion; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
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To: Elsie
Religion by commitee. Who needs it? Do they ALL put their faces into a hat to discern the TRUENESS or 'revelation'?

Jesus taught: "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye canniot bear them now. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth" (John 16:12-13). When people gather in the name of Christ to advance His cause, the Spirit can, through their prayerful deliberations, guide them. Interactions in the Spirit are mind-expanding, soul-inspiring experiences. The Acts of the Apostles demonstrate that church conferences helped the church stay focused on its service to Christ. They could be contentious, at times, but a good course of action would usually prevail. Through the guidance of the Spirit, early church conferences dealt with the numerous problems they faced, clearing the way for many great and marvelous works to be accomplished. Isolated Christians might individually do much good, but organized actions having the full blessings of the Spirit can change the course of history.

281 posted on 08/01/2011 8:42:42 AM PDT by John McDonnell
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To: John McDonnell; Colofornian
If I had the date of the first publication of it, the name and motives of the publisher of it, and some commentary on it from persons other than enemies of the church, for balance, then I might be able to deal with it.

LOL, living in da state of de nile.

My guess is that it was fabricated by polygamists to justify their sins, or by enemies of the church who thought they could get away with "making things up".

Sound more like you are the one making things up John - with such an unsubstatiated denial.

Some lies are so impressive that they are taken as fact. For example, Tina Fey's imitation of Sarah Palin saying, "I can see Russia from my house," is taken by many as being something that Sarah Palin actually said, and many will never, because they are closeminded, believe that she did not say it.

Fact of the matter John, this isn't a Tina Fey joke. Nor was it a joke to the over 30 women Smith had taken to wife.

What other restoration leader from the early 1800's was accused time and time again for polygamy John? Generally where there is smoke, there is fire and as I pointed out in prior post - many sources were not trying to justify their 'sin' of polygamy when they were pointing out smith's polygamy. Again, why was the mormon church the only one singled out for practicing polygamy in smith's day? Why did they have to so vigorously deny the practice?

Remarkably, it has been shown that smith wasn't the only one lying about it. John Taylor declared to be false the accusation “of polygamy and actions the most indelicate, obscene, and disgusting, such that none but a corrupt and depraved heart could have contrived. These things are too outrageous to admit of belief.” At the time of that emphatic pronouncement, Taylor (who would later become church president) had ten plural wives.

More from smith's own hand -

Joseph Smith, 27 July 1842, Nauvoo, Illinois
(Unpublished Revelations 59)
Verily, thus saith the Lord unto my servant Newel K. Whitney,
2 The thing that my servant Joseph Smith has made known unto you and your family and which you have agreed upon is right in mine eyes,
3 And shall be crowned upon your heads with honour and immortality and eternal life to all your house, both old and young because of the lineage of my Priesthood, saith the Lord,
4 It shall be upon you and upon your children after you from generation to generation, by virtue of the holy promise which I now make unto you, saith the Lord.
5 These are the words which you shall pronounce upon my servant Joseph and your daughter Sarah Ann Whitney.
6 They shall take each other by the hand and you shall say,
7 You both mutually agree, calling them by name, to be each other's companion so long as you both shall live, preserving yourselves for each other and from all others, and also throughout all eternity, reserving only those rights which have been given to my servant Joseph by revelation and commandment and by legal authority in times past.
8 If you both agree to covenant and do this, then I give you Sarah Ann Whitney, my daughter, to Joseph Smith, to be his wife, to observe all the rights between you both that belong to that condition.
9 I do it in my own name and in the name of your wife, your mother, and in the name of my holy progenitors, by right of birth which is of priesthood, vested in me by revelation and commandment and promise of the living God, obtained through the holy Melchizedek, Jethro and other of the holy fathers commanding in the name of the Lord all those powers to concentrate in you and through to your posterity forever.
10 All these things I do in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that through this order he may be glorified and through the power of the anointing David may reign king over Israel, which shall hereafter be revealed.
11 Let immortality and eternal life henceforth be sealed upon your heads forever and ever.
Joseph Smith Collection, Church Historians Office

Well I guess this is "tainted" since Smith was trying to justify his polygamy.

Sidney Rigdon's daughter, Nancy When Smith proposed marriage in April 1842 to Nancy Rigdon, nineteen-year-old daughter of his close friend and counselor, Sidney Rigdon, he reportedly took her into a room, "locked the door, and then stated to her that he had had an affection for her for several years, and wished that she should be his." Nancy refused him, saying she would only marry a single man. The following day Smith explained in a letter to her: "That which is wrong under one circumstance, may be, and often is, right under another." He added, "Whatever God requires is right, no matter what it is, although we may not see the reason thereof." She remained unconvinced. Nancy, her brother John, and her brother-in-law George W. Robinson testified in sworn affidavits that the Joseph Smith had proposed "spiritual marriage" to her. Smith publicly denied the accusations. ("The Letter of the Prophet, Joseph Smith to Miss Nancy Rigdon," Joseph Smith Collection, LDS archives; History of The Church 5:134-36. Sidney Rigdon Biography, Richard S. Van Wagoner, Chapter 21)

Nancy rejected smith's proposal - thus her testimony does not contain your precious 'tainting' John. Oh, and the letter is from smith John, not a forgery. BTW John, Rigdon was not a supporter of polygamy either.

Open your self to the truth - it is freeing John.

282 posted on 08/01/2011 8:50:07 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
No simplification involved - it is a statement of fact.

There are no simple facts in complex situations like the Reorganization of the church, which developed after all of the confusion during the Nauvoo period of church history and the rivalries after the death of Joseph Smith Jr. It has been a while since I have read the volumes of RLDS church history. The movement to reorganize seemed to be blessed by the Spirit, especially in gatherings of saints, but the individual leaders had greatly differing views about how to reorganize. As the process unfolded through many deliberations, certain leaders did not like the direction being established and left. But the testimony of the majority was that the Spirit was guiding them. In 1860, Joseph Smith III became a spokeman for that guidance. As with anything else, we need to know who, what, when, where, and why disgruntled persons made statements (which are gleefully quoted by Mormon-haters without regard for who, what, when, where, and why).

283 posted on 08/01/2011 9:04:07 AM PDT by John McDonnell
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To: John McDonnell; Colofornian; Elsie; ejonesie22
There are no simple facts in complex situations like the Reorganization of the church, which developed after all of the confusion during the Nauvoo period of church history and the rivalries after the death of Joseph Smith Jr.

When it comes to the simplest of facts John - that it is well documented the Smith was a polygamist - even your earliest leaders acknowledged such, there is very little confusion about that - unless as you've stated before, your leaders were trying to justify their sins too.

As with anything else, we need to know who, what, when, where, and why disgruntled persons made statements (which are gleefully quoted by Mormon-haters without regard for who, what, when, where, and why).

Two (2) statements by smith in his own handwriting acknowledging that he practiced and endorsed polygamy - guess that makes him a VERY disgruntled person eh John? It very much addresses the who, what, where, when and why. Cowdrey excommunicated for exposing and opposing smith's polygamy. The editors of the "Expositor", chased out of town and their press destroyed because they exposed smith's polygamy. Seemed Smith was more disgruntled than they were - even to the point of breaking the law.

And we havn't even begun to explore smith's mother-daughter fetish, let alone going after other men's wives.

284 posted on 08/01/2011 9:19:40 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
Open your self to the truth - it is freeing John.

I am open to the truth. In my judgment, what you have presented is not the truth, but rather a hasty, undiscerning gathering of whatever you can find that can be seen as damaging to those who believe that the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be.

God knows your motives. I do not. But I cannot see how your sloppy attacks can do anybody any good. I think that you are wasting the days of your probation trying to tear down what you don't like, instead of laboring to build up what you love.

Open your self to the truth - it is freeing Godzilla.

285 posted on 08/01/2011 9:25:41 AM PDT by John McDonnell
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To: Godzilla
Two (2) statements by smith in his own handwriting acknowledging that he practiced and endorsed polygamy

If you are so sure about that, then you should be able to prove everything that you are here claiming. Where can those handwritten documents be viewed? Who were the handwriting experts that testified that that they could not have been forgeries? Were did you learn of their existence, if they actually exist?

286 posted on 08/01/2011 9:35:58 AM PDT by John McDonnell
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To: John McDonnell; Colofornian; ejonesie22
I am open to the truth. In my judgment, what you have presented is not the truth, but rather a hasty, undiscerning gathering of whatever you can find that can be seen as damaging to those who believe that the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be.

Oh really John - or are you more interested in the church being 'true' than the truth? AFA the bom's claims, we've hardly scratched the surface on that point John, so far we've been discussing the false presentation of smith's so-called 'virtue' and martial fidelity shall we say. And I've hardly scratched the surface of the research and evidences that show to all with an unbiased mind that smith practiced polygamy (in addition to starting it).

You earlier stated my sources were 'tainted' because they were trying to justify their 'sin'. I've supplied sources that are free of that John - and included smith's own words as well.

God knows your motives. I do not. But I cannot see how your sloppy attacks can do anybody any good. I think that you are wasting the days of your probation trying to tear down what you don't like, instead of laboring to build up what you love.

My so-called 'attacks' have been nothing but the presentation of the truth. Calling them 'sloppy' is just a sad effort to deflect the sharpness of the truth they contain. Some may want to hide behind their walls of fictious reality - denying truth and holding to fantasy - and that fantasy will eventually end up being their destruction. Silence regarding Smith's own handwriting on the subject is very telling as to fact or fantasy.

287 posted on 08/01/2011 9:38:41 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: John McDonnell; Godzilla
it is freeing Godzilla.

Whew, just in the nick of time, too.


288 posted on 08/01/2011 9:58:04 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Godzilla

After the Mormons went to Utah withgout the Smith family Joery Smiths widow Emma Smith told her children that joey had never had any polygamous relationships...

She pretended for the rest of her life that her cheatin no good husband had been true to her...

When 2 of the Smith boys went to Utah years later Brigham Young realized they didnt know and sadistly got pleasure out of revealing the truth of Joeys serial adultery to them...

the truth destroyed one and messed up another...


289 posted on 08/01/2011 10:01:15 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: John McDonnell
If you are so sure about that, then you should be able to prove everything that you are here claiming. Where can those handwritten documents be viewed? Who were the handwriting experts that testified that that they could not have been forgeries? Were did you learn of their existence, if they actually exist?

I cited the sources along with the materials John should you desire to research further. Many are in the LDS archives, most are cited and copied in numerous other books by historians - lds and non-lds, both pro and counter mormonism John. To date - none have been found to be frauds or forgeries - so go seek out your own experts and challenge John, because it is the judgement of the historian community that the documents are valid and are widely accepted as being authentic.

290 posted on 08/01/2011 10:19:51 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: MarkBsnr

LOL, free at last! free at last!!!


291 posted on 08/01/2011 10:20:31 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: John McDonnell; Godzilla

Who were the handwriting experts that testified that that they could not have been forgeries?
__________________________________________

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

John this could be said of the supposed “book of mormon”

Have any experts ever examined the original ???


292 posted on 08/01/2011 10:26:32 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
She pretended for the rest of her life that her cheatin no good husband had been true to her

That is your belief, not a statement of fact. The facts are that Emma Smith was an honest woman, who fully understood before the interview with Joseph Smith III that church leaders did not want any coverup whatsoever, that they wanted to know the truth even if it was ugly. Emma Smith answered the questions, and the net result was that the wife of Joseph Smith Jr stated that to her knowledge he had no other wives, spiritual or otherwise. Since the interview was conducted just before she died, it was published as "Last Testimony of Sister Emma" in Saints' Herald for October 1, 1879.

Soon after that publication, "the people in Utah became greatly agitated" (RLDS Church History 4:290). In the interview, Emma had testified that there was no revelation on polygamy prior to her husband's death. That meant that Brigham Young had fabricated it, and the Utah membership had been lied to.

293 posted on 08/01/2011 11:38:50 AM PDT by John McDonnell
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To: Godzilla
I cited the sources along with the materials John should you desire to research further.

No you didn't. You were extremely vague about what you claimed. Your whole approach has been to throw out bits and pieces without giving full sources for any of it, apparently hoping that the sheer volume of the bits and pieces will make it look like your position is solid, when it is not.

294 posted on 08/01/2011 12:01:10 PM PDT by John McDonnell
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To: reaganaut

placemarker


295 posted on 08/01/2011 12:04:02 PM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian; John McDonnell; Godzilla; Elsie; ejonesie22; greyfoxx39

Anybody have a “head in the sand” award we could give to John???

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He is certainly top candiate for “player of the week” award.


296 posted on 08/01/2011 12:07:10 PM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: John McDonnell; Colofornian; Tennessee Nana; ejonesie22; greyfoxx39
No you didn't. You were extremely vague about what you claimed. Your whole approach has been to throw out bits and pieces without giving full sources for any of it, apparently hoping that the sheer volume of the bits and pieces will make it look like your position is solid, when it is not.

Now John, you shouldn't make such claims that are so easily refuted. Here is one example of source citation:

("The Letter of the Prophet, Joseph Smith to Miss Nancy Rigdon," Joseph Smith Collection, LDS archives; History of The Church 5:134-36. Sidney Rigdon Biography, Richard S. Van Wagoner, Chapter 21) - three locations for the same statement of history.

If you go back, you'll see I've provided documentation for my other citations too. I'll assume on this point that you are ignorant of citation methodology John. Please don't make the same mistake twice.

297 posted on 08/01/2011 12:07:19 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: John McDonnell; Elsie; Godzilla; Colofornian

Elsie applied this to the present Mormon church. Since the Mormon church no longer practises blood atonement and polygamy, it is not continuing to do as their fathers did. Therefore, the application is false.

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No it isn’t, they (and CoC) still follow their idols, their false Christs.


298 posted on 08/01/2011 12:19:13 PM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Godzilla; John McDonnell

I cited the sources along with the materials John should you desire to research further. Many are in the LDS archives,

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I viewed a couple of them (along with many other primary sources) when I was doing my research in SLC. They exist and analysts have authenticated them.


299 posted on 08/01/2011 12:28:16 PM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut; John McDonnell

I had forgotten you’ve been allowed into the bowels of archeives at slc.


300 posted on 08/01/2011 12:36:22 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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