Posted on 04/29/2012 3:06:06 PM PDT by NYer
ie “they weren’t indoctrinated fully”. One can understand the concept by looking at today’s youth. What they believe surely isn’t what I grew up believing about this country and it’s history. Even the history of this country has been changed through subtle changes slowly incorporated into the schools. The Catholic Church is like the government in this country. Slowly change over time leaves behind the original intent if those original writings are not understood and held has the guide.
To my knowledge none ever went back.
*personnel reasons* = *personal reasons*
That’s what I get for trying to FReep before waking up...
Most who joined evangelical churches say they did so due to spiritual lack in Catholic ones, not any doctrine in particular, and become more conservative than they they were.
I invite you to go back and reread my posting to Metmom. I invited her factual and constructive criticisms but asked that they not be clouded with more of what is alleged to be Catholic teaching but is in fact demonstrably false. I also suggested that she forgive any sins committed by Catholics and those acting in the name of the Church. If you or she finds that insulting then I suppose we have even bigger differences on the meaning of the Gospels.
May God continue to bless you.
Then your issue is with the Catholic church which taught me Catholic doctrine, with which I dared not disagree under threat of eternal damnation. Me and hundreds if not thousands of former Catholics who say the same things - people who I did NOT grow up with.
I also suggested that she forgive any sins committed by Catholics and those acting in the name of the Church.
And you know whether I have or not how?
Aren't you now working on the presumption that I haven't by your admonition to do so?
Even granting them forgiveness does not mean I'm going back. Bad behavior is one thing. Unscriptural theology and doctrine is another.
I now attend a Bible study in which all the women are former Catholics who as children and young adults grew up in completely different areas of the country with widely differing home lives, and yet our accounts of dealings with Catholicism and its teachings (when it comes up) are almost identical.
Would you rather I attribute the gross mischaracterizations and outright lies told about the Church to more sinister motives than to poor catechesis?
On the flip side I am a catechist dealing with adult Catechumens and those returning to the Church. Most were left disappointed by their experiences with non-Catholic denominations as well. Most recount the same ignorance and lies about Catholics and the Catholic Church that I see on these threads daily. The difference appears to be that the Church has recognized the flawed catechesis that has taken place over the last 40+ years and is doing things to correct it. I asked for your constructive criticisms. I ask again.
As to the state of your forgiveness of the Catholic Church, I can only see what is said and posted about the Church and its clergy and laity. If you had truly forgiven you would have let the issue go and there would be in its place the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Its never too late.
Peace be with you.
How about for a change you spell out a few of those "gross mischaracterizations and outright lies told about the church" that you accuse us of? What posts on this thread have been lies or mischaracterizations?
I have a 10+ year posting history of doing just that. However, the logical fallacy with that type of challenge is that those very same poorly catechized former Catholics are not equipped by education or disposition to recognize or acknowledge a gross mischaracterization or outright lie and for me to insist the contrary would place me into the position of mind reading and accusing them of intentional lying. I don't want to go there.
God Bless you.
You have IN THIS THREAD accused people of gross mischaracterizations and outright lies about the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church but when called out to specify what those are, you back off under the guise of not wanting to accuse anyone of lying. Yet that is exactly what you are doing when you chalk it all up to "they're just poorly catechized, poor things, and they just don't know any better" or that the criticism is based on hate or unforgiveness. Do you seriously think patronizing is the correct way to go? It's as transparent as glass that the "logical fallacy" is in presuming that education or disposition prevents the truth about the false teachings of the Catholic Church from being easily revealed and disputed BY Scripture.
What I have observed in your "10+ year posting history" - notwithstanding your recent tonal change - is a tacit, knee jerk rejection of any and all criticism of anything counter to the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church no matter how well equipped or knowledgeable others are that present them. If the ruse is to now abstain from "putting your money where your mouth is" under the defense of not wanting to be seen as mind-reading or accusing someone of lying, then you have failed to successfully defend your own statements and may want to reconsider the next time you accuse others of such things. You started it, FRiend.
I pray for God's blessing of eyes opened to the truth of the Gospel.
Please do not make this thread about me.
When demonstrably false positions are represented as the doctrines and dogmas of the Church and are substantiated by nothing more than unverifiable anecdotes, repeated urban legends, excerpts from forbidden websites, attempts to represent the actions of a single or small group of individuals as representative of the billion plus Catholics and the writings so-called Protestant experts on Catholicism I can only conclude that the persons making those false statements are either unknowingly in error or are being intentionally false. I have and will continue to give them benefit of the doubt. Most are not evil, just wrong so I will continue to address the error.
I am not surprised that so many choose to hate the Church. It was predicted. They hate the Church because they hated Him. I will pray that the obsessively anti-Catholics discover the truth, not so that they become a practicing Catholics, but so that they are not basing their decisions and beliefs on error.
Peace be with you
Let us not forget what stared this latest volley, your accusations of gross mischaracterization and lies about the Catholic Church and when asked to state what those were, you backed off. This is not making it personal but simply requesting some semblance of proof for such a claim. It may give some people comfort to pretend that anyone who dares criticize the Roman Catholic Church does so out of hate or unforgiveness but it isn't honest and it isn't truthful. I would hope all of us truly desire for the truth to be known about the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ and that our motivations be always out of love.
this insinuation that the Catholic Church teaches an accursed Gospel that leads the lost away from Christ is a great example of the gross mischaracterizations and outright lies I was referring to. I will continue to point these out for those who are legitimately interested in the truth.
Galatians 2:6-9
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Your disdain for the hypothetical was apparently quite short lived. I applaud your growth.
Peace be with you.
Well, be not unduly disturbed, after responding to attacks on evangelical faith by RCs and their incessant self promotion/exaltation, in less than 2 days after my usual and substantiated manner, i received
“Your account has been locked for the following reason:
anti-Catholic agenda
This change will be lifted: Never
(All the best, Catholic Answers Forums)
And the offending posts were deleted.
WHAT?? Am I understanding this correctly?
“Your account has been locked for the following reason:
anti-Catholic agenda
This change will be lifted: Never
(All the best, Catholic Answers Forum)
Interesting in that almost all of what I post from is from here.......
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM
Others quote the "church fathers" Catholics love to lean on in support of Catholic doctrine.
I’m in the middle of a few things - am I reading/understanding Daniel’s post correctly - does that apply to him, like he received that message from a mod?
I invite you to provide your definition of "almost all" for me. I have gone back through your entire posting history since the first of the year. I have seen hundreds of posts that about the Catholic Church (RCs, RCC, "they, etc.) While I have seen hundreds of posts that I find to be dismissive, disdainful, rude, insulting, and completely fallacious about Catholics, the Church and its doctrines, the one thing I did not see was any citation of the Catechism or references to it. I remind you that communications always work better when they are limited to the truth and the subject matter begs it.
Peace be with you.
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