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11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer

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To: Rashputin
The Douay-Rheims is from the Latin and Greek to ensure it is as close to the Septuagint as possible.

Interesting.

But it does make me wonder why Rome would not rather be CLOSER to the ORIGINAL languages of Hebrew and Aramaic?

341 posted on 01/07/2013 7:59:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
What you haven't done is explain why Christ said, "And I tell you that you are Peter." Did He think Peter had forgotten his name

Peter's name was Simon Bar Jona...Christ named him Peter (petros...Rock)

342 posted on 01/07/2013 8:00:56 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Elsie

When you mention another Freeper in a post, be sure to ping him.


343 posted on 01/07/2013 8:01:08 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Syncro
I have known Catholics that are born again!

All Catholics are born again.

344 posted on 01/07/2013 8:05:55 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl

Well that would be nice

One time I asked a Catholic lady if she was a Christian

She said, “no, I am a Catholic”


345 posted on 01/07/2013 8:10:27 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Elsie
Interesting. But it does make me wonder why Rome would not rather be CLOSER to the ORIGINAL languages of Hebrew and Aramaic

Interesting

but it does make me wonder why you don't think that the church which originally translated the bible from whatever source didn't do it right in this case?????

346 posted on 01/07/2013 8:11:34 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl
if christians who are not Catholics are not protestants....what are they???

It's simple, they are simply Christians (with a capital "C")

(A person can become a Christian by just reading the Bible)

You do not have to "protest" Catholicism to become a Christian.

There are millions of Christians that do not belong to Protestantism or Catholicism.

They are called "born again"--by themselves and Jesus:

SALVATION & THE NEW
BIRTH
How to be Born Again





What is salvation and the new birth (
being born again ) ?


Let us start
by saying that the Bible calls it being "born again".

During Jesus'
ministry here on earth, a rabbi ( teacher of Jewish law ) named Nicodemus came
to interview Jesus
at night and stated, "we all know that God has sent you
to teach us, your miracles alone are proof enough of this.
Jesus then told
him, "That unless a person is born again ( anew, from above
) he cannot
ever see ( know, be acquainted with and experience ) the Kingdom
of God"
Nicodemus then said to Jesus,
"how can a man be born when he
is old? Can he enter his mother's womb again and be born?" Jesus answered,

"I tell you, unless a man is born of water and ( even )
the Spirit ( Holy Spirit ), he cannot ( ever ) enter the
Kingdom of God.
What is born of ( from ) the flesh is flesh ( of the physical is physical ) and
what is born of
the Spirit is Spirit"
, John 3:2-6.

This is
the new birth, what is referred to as being "born again". Jesus Christ paid a
great price ( His life )
by suffering and dying on the cross to pay the
price for every sin that mankind had committed up till then
and every sin
humanity would commit in the future to open the way of salvation, the "new
birth".






What part does belief have in salvation (
the new birth ) ?


Jesus said in
John 3:15-16, "everyone who believes in Him ( who cleaves to Him, trusts Him and relies on Him ) may not perish
but have eternal life and
( actually
) live forever. For God so greatly loved the world that He
gave up His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in
( trusts in, clings to, relies on ) Him
shall not perish, come to destruction,
be lost but have eternal everlasting
life
".
Of course many Catholics and Protestants are born again, that is the sign of true Christianity and fulfillment of the assurity of everlasting life.

The Bible makes it quite clear who and what His Church is.

Is is every single (not as opposed to married lol) born again Christian.

There is no overall authority except Jesus Christ.

Christians have no problem with Catholics being all caught up in their Catholicism, but please...We don't need to "come back to the mother church," we are the Church.

(So are you if you are born again)

The Authority of Christianity is Centered on Jesus Christ.

347 posted on 01/07/2013 8:16:39 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Syncro
Well that would be nice One time I asked a Catholic lady if she was a Christian She said, “no, I am a Catholic

That is possible....you have the ninth street Christian church, the pisgah Christian church, the Christian church of High street, the Apostolic Christian church........she was merely trying to point out that she belonged to the only true Christian church on earth....Catholic is the easiest way to do it.

348 posted on 01/07/2013 8:17:40 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Rashputin

Oh, good grief.
That verse is talking about rulers. IE government.
I am not going to debate you here, we are to obey the leaders as long as what they say does nor violate God’S Word.
Christ is the Head of His church (church means people).
You are free by will to submit to whomever you wish, I choose to submit to and be a slave to Jesus, the living Christ.


349 posted on 01/07/2013 8:24:31 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Syncro

Good find! That’s exactly right. Even many if not most of the Protestant churches get that wrong as well.


350 posted on 01/07/2013 8:25:03 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: terycarl
Sorry, that's not true, but good try!

She said to the question, Are you a Christian? an emphatic “NO”

Many Catholics are not born again.

Many Protestants are not born again.

This lady was NOT born again.

She believed that being a Catholic covered all the bases.

Jesus says otherwize, he is the Authority.

As you can see by my previous post to you, the “only true Christian church on earth” is made up of ALL believers.

We are the Church.

351 posted on 01/07/2013 8:28:13 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Elsie
And you IGNORE the scripture (#180) I posted that PROVES He didn't?

I didn't ignore the selective use of Scripture in your posting, but maybe you ignored this one:

    Luke 6:14 Simon, whom He also named Peter [Cephas/Rock]
Scripture explicitly states that Jesus gave Simon the name of Peter [Cephas/Rock]. I believe the Scriptures.
352 posted on 01/07/2013 8:29:06 PM PST by Al Hitan (Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.)
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To: Syncro
We are the Church.

When Jesus said, "if he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector," what did He mean?

353 posted on 01/07/2013 8:38:23 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
When Jesus said, "if he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector," what did He mean?

Well, since Rome was at that time the tax collector and it's state religion was pagan, it seems we can rule that out.

354 posted on 01/07/2013 8:42:36 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: CynicalBear

Thanks, I was happy to find that.

The simplicity of Christianity is complicated by some churches with so much extraneous dogma that it is amazing that some of them have any born again Christians in them at all!

It’s like trying to swim upstream during logging season. You gotta dodge all the dogma to get a glimpse of Jesus.


355 posted on 01/07/2013 8:43:41 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Syncro
Matthew 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church (ekklésia): but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

(ekklésia)
Short Definition: an assembly, congregation, church

Take it to the congregation or assembly of believers that he has been meeting with. There is no inferred worldwide hierarchy there.

356 posted on 01/07/2013 8:49:06 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Well, that’s clearly says, “if you don’t listen to yourself, treat yourself like a pagan and a tax collector”.


357 posted on 01/07/2013 8:51:18 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: svcw
Oh good grief is right. Fine, obey yourself, but prelates and the underlying Greek do NOT mean what you and King James want it to mean.

prelate
Definition prel·ate [ préllət ]
prel·ates Plural
NOUN

1. high-ranking member of clergy: a high-ranking member of the Christian clergy, e.g. an abbot, bishop, or cardinal

[ 13th century. Via French < medieval Latin praelatus, < past participle of Latin praeferre (see prefer) ]

Encarta® World English Dictionary[North American Edition] © & (P) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Developed for Microsoft by Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.

358 posted on 01/07/2013 8:58:17 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Listen how do you NOT understand what I wrote: I choose to submit to and be a slave to Jesus, the living Christ.

If you choose to be a slave or submit to man be my guest, you do that with free will.

359 posted on 01/07/2013 9:01:30 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Syncro; CynicalBear
Indeed.

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. - 2 Cor 11:3

God's Name is I AM.

360 posted on 01/07/2013 9:02:23 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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