Posted on 10/07/2013 5:36:12 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Meet "Kosher Frank"
This story needs no commentary because it speaks for itself. Jorge Bergoglio is not a Catholic nor a Pope - but an apostate. What we are seeing here are the next steps in the amalgamation of all religions into one, the prelude to the Antichrist.
[Taken from Vatican Insider, 9/29/13. Coloring added for emphasis.] [But no coloring on FR]
"Pope Francis and Rabbi Skorka make history in the Vatican" by Gerard O'Connell, Rome
... “We hold to different traditions, but we are creating a dialogue that has not existed for centuries. Both of us believe that God has something to do with our friendship and with what we are doing. There are too many coincidences for it all to be mere chance”, said Skorka, 63, who is Rector of the Latin American Rabbinic Seminary. “We come together without burying our identities. I spoke to him about evangelization, and he stated emphatically that the Catholic Church cannot engage in proselytism”, he said.
“We are not looking for a photo opportunity, but we want what we are doing to trigger a re-thinking about things. Ours is not a relation of ‘tea and sympathy’; that is not my way, and it is not Bergoglio’s way. We want to move ahead by actions, we must advance by building bridges, through a living dialogue; not a dialogue of words, but a dialogue of actions that reflect our commitment”, he stated.
“Sorry....I was referring to your usurpation of a Psalm as “Gospel summarized.””
It was Isaiah, but considering the link you gave me didn’t have any scripture in it, I suppose you’re a bit of a stranger to these things.
At least the last link, anyway. You gave me a few other links at first which I ignored, and only looked at the last one since you were getting haughty about it.
Probably?
GOD has not given up on Israel and Israel is not lost beyond redemption. A blood Covenant can not be broken.
25I want you to understand this mystery, dear brothers and sisters,£ so that you will not feel proud and start bragging. Some of the Jews have hard hearts, but this will last only until the complete number of Gentiles comes to Christ. 26And so all Israel will be saved. Do you remember what the prophets said about this? “A Deliverer will come from Jerusalem,£ and he will turn Israel£ from all ungodliness. 27And then I will keep my covenant with them and take away their sins.”£
28Many of the Jews are now enemies of the Good News. But this has been to your benefit, for God has given his gifts to you Gentiles. Yet the Jews are still his chosen people because of his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 29For God’s gifts and his call can never be withdrawn. 30Once, you Gentiles were rebels against God, but when the Jews refused his mercy, God was merciful to you instead. 31And now, in the same way, the Jews are the rebels, and God’s mercy has come to you. But someday they,£ too, will share in God’s mercy. 32For God has imprisoned all people in their own disobedience so he could have mercy on everyone.
I take All Israel to mean all of the twelve tribes who obey the laws, have not rejected GOD, and are observant Jews.
Interesting, GPH, just to be clear, that is your viewpoint, right? That the old covenant with the Jews is broken and destroyed and that they will go to hell in your opinion?
“On the contrary, I got it! That’s the problem.”
Not if you’re posting this you didn’t.
“He was living and celebrating Jewish feasts with a Rabbi who, when the Rabbi questioned him on evangelization, ruled it out. It wasn’t an interview.”
And this is what was said according to the rabbi: “We come together without burying our identities. I spoke to him about evangelization, and he stated emphatically that the Catholic Church cannot engage in proselytism”, he said…’
So, the pope in no way condemned evangelism - which he has encouraged at every turn - but did condemn proselytism.
“Furthermore, this man was already his friend from Argentina.”
And? You don’t have any friends from back home?
“And the stated purpose was for social-gospel, lovey-dovey peace on Earth reasons, not for the peace and salvation of the soul through conversion.”
No. “He and the Pope are planning to travel together to the Holy Land next year. The Israeli and Palestinian authorities have invited Pope Francis, and the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople, Bartholomew1, wants him to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the historic meeting of his predecessor, Athenagoras, with Paul VI in the Holy City.”
“We are dreaming of traveling together to Israel soon, and the Pope is working on this subject”, the Rabbi said. “I dream of embracing him at the Kotel, or Wailing Wall, and I will accompany him to Bethlehem, in the Palestinian territories. His presence can help a lot at this moment when the peace talks are starting again”, he added.
So tell me. I’m very curious as to what your interpretation of Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 is?
In Isaiah 53, he wrote an account is so descriptive and accurate of the crucifiction of Jesus, that one would think he was present when it happened. Yet Isaiah wrote that chapter more than 700 years before Jesus was born.
Then there is Psalm 22. In verse 14 David mentions his bones all out of joint, yet that never happened at anytime during David’s life. It did happen to Jesus while he hung on the cross though.
I would appreciate a comment from you on these two entries of the Old Testament.
“In Isaiah 53, he wrote an account is so descriptive and accurate of the crucifiction of Jesus, “
crucifiction? crucifixion.
Should have added that I hoped that cruciFICTION was the proverbial Freudian slip:-)
Paul was compelled by the Spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus is the Christ. But when they opposed him and blasphemed, he shook his garments and said to them, "Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean. From now on I will go to the Gentiles." Acts 18:5-6
Yes, my spell checker changed it and I failed to catch it.
What u said....but I let it go
And u beat me to it
Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said in Romans 11:
“Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”? And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, as it is written:
“God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day.” And David says:
“May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever.”
Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”
As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
God has NOT negated His covenant with the nation of Israel, but they are on the back burner, so to speak, while the Times of the Gentiles (the dispensation of grace) are being fulfilled. NO ONE can be saved unless they receive Jesus Christ as Savior, believing in Him to redeem them from their sins. The Jews, as a nation, rejected Jesus as the Messiah (as prophecied that they would) and because of this, we gentiles can be grafted into the branch of Christ. But, MANY Jews HAVE accepted Jesus as their messiah and they are saved along with gentiles by faith. Those who do not believe are condemned already because they believe not in the only begotten Son of God - Jew OR gentile.
Go back and reread what he said and why he said it. It has nothing to do with any broken covenants and everything to do with the false idea that Jews today can be saved who reject Jesus Christ. The article in the OP was about Catholics who are more than a little disappointed in Pope Francis who bans "proselytizing" and who seems to neglect his Jewish friend's salvation by approving of his Jewish faith that rejects God's Messiah, Jesus, and who seems to want an ecumenical kind of religion where Jews, Muslims, Christians, etc. all can meld into a one-world religion. Is THAT your viewpoint?
Good points, and very accurate.
Paul was compelled by the Spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus is the Christ. But when they opposed him and blasphemed, he shook his garments and said to them, "Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean. From now on I will go to the Gentiles." Acts 18:5-6
Paul had preached to them had he not? A man full of The Holy Spirit was he not? Those Paul spoke of in the passage you posted had heard The Gospel preached to them and rejected it.
Here is the context of the passages you posted. Paul was preaching to them in the synagogue. OK so how many Priest, Pastors, Preachers, etc are going into synagogues preaching The Gospel these days?
1Then Paul left Athens and went to Corinth.£ 2There he became acquainted with a Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, who had recently arrived from Italy with his wife, Priscilla. They had been expelled from Italy as a result of Claudius Caesar’s order to deport all Jews from Rome. 3Paul lived and worked with them, for they were tentmakers£ just as he was. 4Each Sabbath found Paul at the synagogue, trying to convince the Jews and Greeks alike. 5And after Silas and Timothy came down from Macedonia, Paul spent his full time preaching and testifying to the Jews, telling them, “The Messiah you are looking for is Jesus.” 6But when the Jews opposed him and insulted him, Paul shook the dust from his robe and said, “Your blood be upon your own heads—I am innocent. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.”
They heard they rejected or rather some did but not all rejected his message.
7After that he stayed with Titius Justus, a Gentile who worshiped God and lived next door to the synagogue. 8Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, and all his household believed in the Lord. Many others in Corinth also became believers and were baptized. 9One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision and told him, “Don’t be afraid! Speak out! Don’t be silent! 10For I am with you, and no one will harm you because many people here in this city belong to me.” 11So Paul stayed there for the next year and a half, teaching the word of God.
Many obeservant Jews both then and today believe it or not have not heard The Gospel. Now that being the case would they still not be under the Covenant of Israel until such a time they have heard The Gospel and actually rejected it? When will The Gospel be preached to them? Any idea? :>}
"He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts".Have you ever read the book, "Eternity In Their Hearts"? It is a book written in 1981 by, Don Richardson.
"You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me".You can not have it both ways. Either you are God's chosen and you have the truth and are ignoring it, or you are not God's chosen and He never told you about His coming. In that case maybe one could be saved without hearing the Gospel. As I said though, the Jews have the truth, and reject it. Thus the lord says he will reject all who reject him.
That is simply an untenable fantasy. According to Jesus, He did not come to make Jews better Jews apart from faith in Him, but reproved the Jews because they would not come to Him.
"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." "And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." (John 5:39-40)
And He said when the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, it is essentially because they do not believe on Him.
"Of sin, because they believe not on me;" (John 16:9)
And when Paul said "Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved, " (Romans 10:1) He was referring to devout Jews who,
"have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge." "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God." "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." (Romans 10:2-4)
If the apostles had listened to you, they could have saved themselves a lot of suffering.
"And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased." (Galatians 5:11)
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