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Is There New Evidence That Jesus Had a Wife?
Townhall ^ | 04/14/2014 | Michael Brown

Posted on 04/14/2014 9:05:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The internet has been abuzz with intriguing headlines announcing that scholars have determined that the so-called “Gospel of Jesus’ Wife” papyrus is “authentic” and that there is “no forgery evidence” in the manuscript.

What exactly does this mean? And should Christians be concerned that a new discovery might contradict the biblical account and undermine their faith?

Actually, the report from scholars working with the Harvard Divinity School found that the manuscript is much younger than previously thought – in other words, it is even further removed from the time of the New Testament than scholars originally believed – meaning that, at most, it is a very late myth without a stitch of historical support.

What the report did say was that there was no evidence that any part of this small manuscript had been forged, so what was written was “authentic” in terms of not being the work of a modern forger.

But the scholars did not determine that the apparent reference to Jesus having a wife was authentic. How could they?

As New Testament scholar Darrell Bock observed back in September, 2012 when the find was first announced, “In the New Testament, the church is presented as the bride of Christ. And then in Gnostic Christianity in particular, there’s a ritual - about which we don't know very much - that portrayed the church as the bride of Christ. So we could simply have a metaphorical reference to the church as the bride, or the wife, of Christ.”

And what if this text recorded Jesus as saying that one of his disciples would be his wife?

Bock explained that, “This would be the first text - out of hundreds of texts that we have about Jesus - that would indicate that he was married, if it’s even saying that. So to suggest that one text overturns multiple texts, and multiple centuries, of what has been said about Jesus and what’s been articulated about him, I think is not a very wise place to go, just simply from a historical point of view.”

Initially, when Harvard professor Karen King learned about this papyrus fragment written in the Coptic language, which was used by the ancient, heretical, Gnostic Christians, she thought it might have been a forgery, as did other scholars, especially from the Vatican. But upon further study, she concluded it was not, dating it to the fourth century A.D.

Yet how seriously should we take a fourth century report about Jesus, who was crucified around 30 A.D., especially when it contradicts every other piece of evidence we have about Jesus up to that time? As Prof. Bock said, this “is not a very wise place to go, just simply from a historical point of view.”

To give you a parallel example, how seriously would future historians take a report written 300 years after Pearl Harbor that contradicted every single report that preceded it, including all reports from all eye witnesses?

But the latest report – the one creating such a stir – claims that the tiny manuscript should not be dated to the fourth century. Instead, scholars have now dated it to approximately 741 A.D., meaning, more than 700 years after the time of Jesus. What kind of “evidence” is this?

It would be similar to historians 1,000 years from now finding a letter written in the year 2510 claiming that George Washington, who died in 1799, was actually an alien from Mars. How seriously would it be taken? (Come to think of it, the Ancient Aliens series has probably made a similar claim already!)

There remains no evidence of any kind that Jesus had a wife (note to the reader: Dan Brown’s fictional The Da Vinci Code is not evidence), and the only thing scholars did was determine that this small papyrus fragment was not a modern forgery, although it was hundreds of years younger than they originally thought.

Of course, it is still not totally clear that the manuscript even claims Jesus had a wife, but we know that within 150 years of the time of Jesus, there were fictional gospels circulating with all kinds of bogus claims. Should it surprise us, then, that many centuries later, another fictitious account with yet another new claim would be written down?

Unfortunately, many casual readers and skeptics now think that some “authentic” new evidence has been discovered supporting the idea that Jesus was married, and even Christians are asking if they should be concerned about this latest find.

Rest assured that nothing has been discovered that even remotely challenges the biblical account, and if this very late text does imply that Jesus had a wife, what we have is an authentic fabrication and nothing more.


TOPICS: History; Religion & Culture; Theology
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To: pgyanke

What is the origin of that story or is it just passed down by word of mouth???


121 posted on 04/14/2014 3:28:37 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Vigilanteman

either you are a mormon or incredibly dense


122 posted on 04/14/2014 3:29:23 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: GeronL

that they do


123 posted on 04/14/2014 3:31:11 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Let’s go back to the Instructions For Life (aka Torah, aka the five books of Moses).

Yes, let's do that, because Life is what it is all about.

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk? The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all. And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

124 posted on 04/14/2014 3:38:16 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: Iscool
When something was a custom or a tradition, Luke mentioned it...Luke, as a Gentile called Jesus the firstborn because he knew that Jesus had younger brothers and sisters...

You are just making that up. Show me that in Scripture.

125 posted on 04/14/2014 3:39:19 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Iscool
A real brother or a spiritual brother

So what's your point? Brother in scripture does not mean a uterine brother. Glad you agree with that

126 posted on 04/14/2014 3:41:53 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: SeekAndFind

Only to witches.


127 posted on 04/14/2014 3:43:21 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: Just mythoughts
What Luke did not say that others pretend is that Christ was the ONLY child that Mary birthed. Comprehend?????

You are just making this up. Show me in Scripture what supports this man-made belief you hold.

128 posted on 04/14/2014 3:46:21 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Mr. Lucky
I probably shouldn’t stick my nose in at this point, but if assume Luke was Greek, shouldn’t we also assume he was familiar with the Greek traditions relative to primogeniture?

So what's your point? Be specific

129 posted on 04/14/2014 3:56:27 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Mr. Lucky
I probably shouldn’t stick my nose in at this point, but if assume Luke was Greek, shouldn’t we also assume he was familiar with the Greek traditions relative to primogeniture?

Primogeniture...Now there's a ten dollar word...I have never heard it spoken or seen it in writing...Simpletons like me and the apostle Luke are stuck using such words as 'first born'...

130 posted on 04/14/2014 3:56:57 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: FatherofFive
So what's your point? Brother in scripture does not mean a uterine brother. Glad you agree with that

brother in the New Testament means a natural brother by natural birth or a spiritual brother by spiritual birth...

131 posted on 04/14/2014 4:00:31 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Iscool
brother in the New Testament means a natural brother by natural birth or a spiritual brother by spiritual birth...

Please quote the Scripture that supports your man-made beliefs

132 posted on 04/14/2014 4:06:06 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: SeekAndFind
But the latest report – the one creating such a stir – claims that the tiny manuscript should not be dated to the fourth century. Instead, scholars have now dated it to approximately 741 A.D., meaning, more than 700 years after the time of Jesus. What kind of “evidence” is this?

Has anyone read the article?

This controversy is idiotic.

133 posted on 04/14/2014 4:09:10 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Iscool

a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

may i suggest googling the “edict of milan”, it will be a eye opening experience.


134 posted on 04/14/2014 5:09:13 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Iscool

No, Luke didn’t use the words “first born”. That’s an English term.


135 posted on 04/14/2014 5:09:32 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Just mythoughts

Amen


136 posted on 04/14/2014 5:19:14 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Just mythoughts

Mary didn’t practice birth control, she was chaste.


137 posted on 04/14/2014 5:24:09 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Mr. Lucky
No, Luke didn’t use the words “first born”.

So, how do you translate the word:

πρωτοτοκον

use in Koine Greek?

Google Translate uses the word First-born.
138 posted on 04/14/2014 5:31:10 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind
And the Latin translation is: Primo Genitus.

I would think that Luke would have far more likely intended the term according to the understanding of the 1st Century AD as opposed to the 21st Century. That was my only point.

139 posted on 04/14/2014 6:03:49 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Iscool
What is the origin of that story or is it just passed down by word of mouth???

You mean like the Pentateuch before being recorded by Moses or the Gospels before being written some 20-30 years after Christ's Ascension? Heaven forbid Our Lord would ever pass anything of substance by word of mouth...

140 posted on 04/14/2014 6:27:45 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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