Posted on 04/24/2014 1:48:53 PM PDT by NYer
The Pope’s words passed through the ears of a person not well versed in Church teaching, then through the distorting filter of the media and translators, to become what we read.
The Pope did not give advice contrary to Church teaching.
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That wasn’t my question. Do you, or do you not believe that communion is the literal Body, Blood, Soul & Divinity of Jesus Christ?
i have a feeling this story is progressive hogwash trumped up to make it sound like the Pope is changing my Catholic Church. However, the frequency of these stories is making me nervous... Whether or not they are true, people are believing them.
Absurd. That's the word I was looking for.
Off point. I object to man-made rules coming between God and His people. Forced exclusion from communion is not in the Bible regardless of how you perceive the details of communion.
You’re objection is duly noted, however irrelevant when it comes to the theology of the Eucharist. It could be argued that the responses given indicate a lack of belief in the Real Presence therefore the understanding of communion is inherently flawed and lacks scriptural support.
But the Bible simply does not bar one from taking communion because of sin or their understanding of "Real Presence."
Read the words of St. Paul.
Paul wrote to the Corinthians: “The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?” (1 Cor. 10:16). So when we receive Communion, we actually participate in the body and blood of Christ, not just eat symbols of them. Paul also said, “Therefore whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. . . . For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself” (1 Cor. 11:27, 29). “To answer for the body and blood” of someone meant to be guilty of a crime as serious as homicide. How could eating mere bread and wine “unworthily” be so serious? Paul’s comment makes sense only if the bread and wine became the real body and blood of Christ.
There is no valid communion without a valid priesthood. And as for the Catholic Church understanding is intrinsic. Even as children we are taught the Real Presence because we have to know the miracle taking place and believe before we can accept. That is not mere symbolism. We’re not talking Saltines and Welch’s grape juice here.
All that stuff is between a man and his God. The Bible authorizes no one to exclude one from taking communion.
My friend, That sounds suspiciously like, “between a woman and her doctor.” Is your understanding of mans relationship to God in the same vein as that?
Also if you can provide scriptural support for your assertion I’d be glad to take a look and contemplate it.
If no scriptural references to communion authorize barring one from communion and you don’t produce evidence to the contrary, then you have no Biblical basis for the action. Case dismissed.
It’s your case. The burden of proof is on you, counselor.
No, there’s no presumption here that favors you. You support preventing this person from doing what he wants to do. I defend his right to do it. I say there’s no law preventing him from doing it. Ball’s in your court, pal.
How can you say that? You’ve offered up no scriptural proof texts. All we have is your assertion. Your own say so. Is this the Gosepl according to St. PapaNew? If there is any presumption it is on the part of your argument.
But then you won’t even confirm what it is you believe about communion so we can’t state with any reasonable certainty that we’re even talking about the same thing. Why be coy about your beliefs?
Look, I've stayed with you thus far and you've failed to produce any Biblical proof for supporting this action. But this is turning into a silly game and starting to look like it's a good faith discussion.
I'm not interested in nonsense.
Damage control mode in full effect.
Scripture and a relationship with Jesus.
ALL religion ought to be ditched, Protestant as well as Catholic, Mormonism, JW, whatever.
Actually none of this post makes much sense the way your religion twisted the words around...
Paul wrote to the Corinthians: “The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ?
What in the world is that??? Participation in the blood??? Is that participation of the shedding of the blood??? That doesn't sound so good...And participation of the breaking of bread, which is Christ's body??? What, are you guys responsible for the Crucifixion???
1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
So, as we see, it's all symbolic...
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
It is spiritual and symbolic, not physical...
1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
If this meant what your religion wants it to mean the majority of Catholics are damned...
There is only one thing that will damn people and that is unbelief in Jesus Christ and the Gospel...These verses reference the Crucifixion...If one does not discern that the Lord was Crucified for our sins that person will be damned...It has nothing to do with convincing your self that you are eating flesh and drinking blood...
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