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Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level
International Business Times ^ | 09/17/2014 | Tanya Diente

Posted on 09/17/2014 9:07:14 AM PDT by thetallguy24

Pope Francis, with his open-mindedness and more humanist approach to Catholicism reportedly promoted that the Virgin Mary should be at the second Holy Trinity, even putting her at Godhead level.

Pope Francis recently attended the morning mass for the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows on Sept. 15 at Casa Santa Marta. He preached on how the Virgin Mary "learned, obeyed and suffered at the foot of the cross," according to the Vatican Radio.

"Even the Mother, 'the New Eve', as Paul himself calls her, in order to participate in her Son's journey, learned, suffered and obeyed. And thus she becomes Mother," Pope Francis said.

The Pope further added that Mary is the "anointed Mother." Pope Francis said the Virgin Mary is one with the church. Without her Jesus Christ would not have been born and introduced into Christian lives. Without the Virgin Mary there would be no Mother Church.

"Without the Church, we cannot go forward," the Pope added during his sermon.

Now The End Begins claims Pope Francis' reflection on the Virgin Mary suggests people's hope is not Jesus Christ but the Mother Church.

The site claims his sermon somehow indicates a change in the position Jesus holds in the Holy Trinity.  Jesus has reportedly been demoted to the third trinity. While the Virgin Mary and the Holy Mother Church, the Roman Catholic Church, takes over his place at the second trinity. 

Additionally, basing on Pope Francis words he may have supposedly even put the status of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the "Godhead level."

Revelation 17:4-6 according to the site, gives meaning to the Pope's reflection. The chapter tells the story of the apostle John and his "great admiration" for the Virgin Mary. Now The End Begins claims the verses also speaks about the Holy Mother Church and how God thinks of the "holy Roman Mother Church".

However, the Bible seems to contradict Pope Francis promotion of the Virgin Mary to second trinity. The site quoted some passages wherein the "blessed hope" of the Christians is "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." There was reportedly never any mention of the Virgin Mary as being any kind of hope to anyone or anything.

But during the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows, Pope Francis ended his reflection with the assurance of hope from the Virgin Mary and the Mother Church.

"Today we can go forward with a hope: the hope that our Mother Mary, steadfast at the Cross, and our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church, give us," he said.

However, the Bible's passages shouldn't be taken literally, especially when it comes to reflections of the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: evangelical; jesus; orthodox; protestant
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To: FredZarguna

>> ...some entities in [some numbered] Trinity are “not at Godhead Level” but they might be “even promoted” there soon... This is the kind of confused baloney you get from Muslims

Sounds Hindu pantheistic to me. The Muslims claim One True (snicker) god. (The little g is on purpose.)


41 posted on 09/17/2014 10:50:47 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: NorthMountain

Notice, they don’t attack the Methodists or the Baptists or even the liberal churches who fail to try to protect God’s Word and actually teach immorality. It is Catholics and they attack us for the same reason that atheists attack Christianity because God and the Catholic Church aren’t made in their own image/opinion.


42 posted on 09/17/2014 10:54:04 AM PDT by tiki
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To: Nervous Tick
What the heck is the “second Holy Trinity”?

You'd have to ask the theologians at the International Business Times.

43 posted on 09/17/2014 11:02:22 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: thetallguy24
Without the Virgin Mary there would be no Mother Church.

Jesus also descended from Abraham as he was descended from Mary.

So why isn't Abraham revered like Mary is?

44 posted on 09/17/2014 11:02:51 AM PDT by what's up
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To: thetallguy24

I had to check this “theological dissertation” out! Wow. It was a trigger to say the least. Anyway, in my “bing” search for “the mysterious woman of Revelation 17” I found a site that defined the woman as the church of the reformation.

www.bibleexplained.com/revelation/r-seg17-18/r17a.htm

Being a non-denominational Christian I guess that means me?


45 posted on 09/17/2014 11:09:03 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I personally did not find anything in those remarks that elevates her to the level of God.

Having read through the article several times, the mangled wording has me convinced that the article is a bad translation of a foreign-language article. Either that, or the article is a retranslation back into English from a foreign publication.

Change the phrase "second trinity" to "second person of the Trinity" (i.e. Mary replaces Jesus' position as Redeemer) and the article reads much clearer. The key phrase in the article is here:

Pope Francis said the Virgin Mary is one with the church. Without her Jesus Christ would not have been born and introduced into Christian lives. Without the Virgin Mary there would be no Mother Church....Now The End Begins claims Pope Francis' reflection on the Virgin Mary suggests people's hope is not Jesus Christ but the Mother Church.

46 posted on 09/17/2014 11:16:25 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

The original from the Vatican

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/09/15/pope_at_santa_marta_learning_from_our_lady_of_sorrows/1106542


47 posted on 09/17/2014 11:27:11 AM PDT by thetallguy24
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To: what's up
Who said he isn't? But Mary is Jesus’s mother. Proximity!
48 posted on 09/17/2014 11:43:27 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: thetallguy24

I do NOT believe a word of this is true. It sounds like something that would be published in The Onion.


49 posted on 09/17/2014 11:47:22 AM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: thetallguy24; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ...
"Even the Mother, 'the New Eve', as Paul himself calls her,

Oh, he DOES? Chapter and verse?

Waiting for some Catholic to provide the Scripture reference for that statement should be interesting......

50 posted on 09/17/2014 11:47:34 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: thetallguy24

What a moron.


51 posted on 09/17/2014 11:49:06 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Salvation

How about addressing the article instead of attacking the messenger?

Show us how what He stated is taken out of context.

Otherwise, we can presume that since you went right for the jugular in attacking the man, that what he stated was accurate because you attacked him first instead of refuting what he said.


52 posted on 09/17/2014 11:50:38 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Alex Murphy

Notice how every single Catholic who has posted on the thread so far has not at all addressed the substance of the article and refuted any of it, but rather engaged in pejoratives of *hate*, *anti*, *bigot* instead?

Must be the article hit close to home. If they had anything to refute it with, they would have used it. Since they didn’t, they resorted to attacking the messenger thinking they can invalidate the message through defamation of character.


53 posted on 09/17/2014 11:55:54 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: thetallguy24
The site claims..

Unfortunately for the veracity of "the site," the pope remains Catholic.

54 posted on 09/17/2014 11:58:49 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: metmom
"Waiting for some Catholic to provide the Scripture reference for that statement should be interesting......"

Crickets...

56 posted on 09/17/2014 11:59:59 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: metmom
>>Waiting for some Catholic to provide the Scripture reference for that statement should be interesting......<<

I'm not holding my breath.

57 posted on 09/17/2014 12:03:52 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: defconw
Yes, but Abraham's faith made it possible to create Israel from which both Mary and Jesus came about. What about Noah who endured so much ridicule then took on the enormous task he was given?

Ridiculous to give Mary so much credit when there are so many saints who obeyed God. Weird actually.

58 posted on 09/17/2014 12:19:37 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up; All

Don’t forget Rahab, prostitute AND non-Jew turned descendant of Jesus.

Not such a pure bloodline that many assume.


59 posted on 09/17/2014 12:28:06 PM PDT by thetallguy24
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To: thetallguy24
Also, Ruth who was a Moabite )which means King David was partly Moabite).

But this only signifies that God has always intended Gentiles to be part of His people, a reality which blossomed under Paul.

60 posted on 09/17/2014 12:36:04 PM PDT by what's up
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