Posted on 05/01/2015 2:36:22 PM PDT by NYer
1 Corinthians 10:1-4 For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock (petra) that followed them, and the Rock (petra) was Christ.
The Rock IS CHRIST.
It takes all manner of Catholics *interpreting* to dismiss that plain and obvious fact and turn the rock into Peter and your long and convoluted post shows that.
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Indeed. Jesus had two roles to play. He had a human nature with family ties and a Divine One with Heavenly Ties.
Might as well insert Catholic authority, correct? That's what you mean, right? Jesus has a Way that even a child can understand. Matthew 18:3 "Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become like little children, you will by no means enter the Kingdom of Heaven". No mention of priests interpreting the Word. No mention that you must learn Koine Greek or Aramaic. Or pray to dead people or learn repetitive creeds, prayers or belong to a legalistic and ritualized denomination. Just believe God at His Word and be saved by the Blood of Jesus. Catholics make it so hard but Jesus makes it so easy a child can understand and be saved. We have His Word.
The ROCK is CHRIST.
Paul tells us that clearly so there is no need to *interpret* it to mean that it's Peter.
http://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/10-4.htm
1 Corinthians 10:1-4 For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock (petra) that followed them, and the Rock (petra) was Christ.
A Catholic says don’t trust a story told only twenty times yet trusts stories told through thousands of years? Did I ever mention they are double minded?
Please show where the Holy Spirit ever inspired anyone to write that Mary was the mother of God. If you can't please explain the justification to go beyond what the Holy Spirit inspired to be written.
ROFL! Catholic "scholars" also changed Jesus crushing the serpents head to Mary. They changed the woman in Revelation 12 from the nation of Israel to Mary. They changed the word for elder to mean priest.
Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Why would you disagree with what the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write?
So you burn fish hearts to ward of demons? Do you think smearing fish guts on eyes clears up cataracts? Do you think having daughters is a disgrace?
The words of God were entrusted to the Jews (Romans 3:2) NOT the Catholics. Why would you disagree with what the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write?
Why can’t we use the Catholic meme? It doesn’t say in scripture that Jesus was not 8 persons.
From the Translators to the Reader, KJV original preface.
“Now to the latter we answer, that we do not deny, no, we affirm and declare openly, that the most faulty translation of the Bible in English set forth by men of our profession (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) contains the Word of God, no, it is the Word of God.
Just as the King’s speech which he uttered in Parliament, being translated into French, Dutch, Italian, and Latin, is still the King’s speech, even though it is not interpreted by every translator with the same dignity, nor perhaps so fitly for phrase, nor so exactly for sense, everywhere....”
Notice hat he was not wrong in dogma (which would be a formal definition of doctrine misleading of the faithful.) He was wrong in his personal behavior.
This isn't in contradiction to Peter being leader of the Apostolic band, None of our God-appointed leaders are "impeccable" (without sin.) That has never been claimed.
What is claimed, is that the Holy Church will be protected from the faulty behavior or erroneous opinions of popes: they will be unable to lead the whole Church into error by making an erroneous dogmatic pronouncement on faith and morals.
This protection which the CHURCH receives, in being protected from papal error, is called "infallibility." It is not a personal characteristic of the pope. It is a gift to the Church.
So now you know!
**Quite often in the Bible, Jesus, in front of his apostles, referred to God, the Father.**
You mean like here:
“Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been SO LONG WITH YOU, and yet HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME, Philip? he that hath seen me HATH seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou NOT that I am IN the Father, and the Father IN me? the words I speak unto you I speak NOT of myself: but the Father that DWELLETH IN ME, HE doeth the works.” Jn 14:8-10
The Son IS the flesh and bones THAT the Father DWELLS in.
God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:24).
Jesus Christ declared that the Father was in him doing the works, giving him the words to speak:
John 10:38 “But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is IN me, and I IN him.
**Or are you denying the divinity of Jesus Christ?**
Are you denying that Jesus Christ is in the Father and the Father is in him, literally? Because the Son makes it very clear that God the Father is omnipresent. That’s the divinity that made Jesus Christ, and dwells in him. The book of John drives that point home quite well.
The natural man’s concept, of a physical man and woman being the means of making another person, is not the method of the Spirit. God the Father is invisible, but has made himself visible in the man Jesus Christ, who is the man that he made. And that is what Jesus Christ and his apostles teach in the Bible.
What is claimed, is that the Holy Church will be protected from the faulty behavior
Burning people alive at the stake, selling indulgences and the house arrest of Galileo for heliocentricity should put this falsehood to rest for good.
Of course Jesus established the Papacy. Without the Papacy there would be no Christian religion to teach believe in Jesus.
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