Posted on 12/07/2015 3:37:20 AM PST by markomalley
>>Because Islam, as I have said many times, is a form of protestantism and was founded as a protest against the Church...I would go so far as to say that Islam is a pre-Reformation protestant sect.
Luther’s protest was against certain things that the church was doing at the time. Oddly enough, the church stopped doing almost all of those things because he was right.
Islam is a protest against the deity of Jesus Christ, not the excesses of an out of control church.
The Reformation didn’t become the Protestant church until after Rome had excommunicated the Reformers.
I noticed that his conversation with an evangelical happened “years ago”. How many years? He would find that the evangelical view of the Crusades has changed quite a bit in the last decade, due to the activities of Islam and the fact that people are more educated about the real history of the Crusades now.
The religion of peace is neither!
Ping!
“Luther’s protest was against certain things that the church was doing at the time. Oddly enough, the church stopped doing almost all of those things because he was right.”
No. Whatever the Church put a stop to it did so because she considered them wrong not because Luther did.
“The Reformation didn’t become the Protestant church until after Rome had excommunicated the Reformers.”
Not exactly. Luther’s beliefs - such as sola fide - were already heretical before he was formally excommunicated and those heretical beliefs formed the underpinnings of his heretical and schismatic sect. His schismatic body may not have taken full form until it was cut out of the Body of Christ like the cancer it was by his excommunication, but there can be no doubt the sect he was forming was not orthodox long before his excommunication.
“How many years? He would find that the evangelical view of the Crusades has changed quite a bit in the last decade, due to the activities of Islam and the fact that people are more educated about the real history of the Crusades now.”
Among some Evangelicals their views of the Crusades has changed, but all that proves is that the Evangelicals were wrong for decades or centuries and now have changed their views out of necessity and still have not admitted their errors on the Crusades. Someone could make the case that the only reason we are having problems with Islam now is that Protestantism arose in the 16th century.
Gee, I didn’t know that I and all of my fellow Protestants were actually closet Moslems: “Because Islam, as I have said many times, is a form of Protestantism.”
Although he does have some ‘wiggle room’ with the accusation by not capitalizing ‘protestanism.’
I see Islam, from the beginning, not as a ‘protest’ but to eliminate Christianity and Judaism by an Arab warlord who had satanic visions that he wrote up and through the idea of ‘war and spoils’ spread them.
I picked up on this too and disagree with the author. In reality, Islam is a heresy.
It began as a heresy, not as a new religion. It was not a pagan contrast with the Church; it was not an alien enemy. It was a perversion of Christian doctrine. It vitality and endurance soon gave it the appearance of a new religion, but those who were contemporary with its rise saw it for what it was_not a denial, but an adaptation and a misuse, of the Christian thing. It differed from most (not from all) heresies in this, that it did not arise within the bounds of the Christian Church. The chief heresiarch, Mohammed himself, was not, like most heresiarchs, a man of Catholic birth and doctrine to begin with. He sprang from pagans. Read More
Have these guys been reading Horn and Putnam's Petrus Romanus ?
When radical islamists start agreeing with the predictions of Evangelical Christians, things are weird indeed.
>>Someone could make the case that the only reason we are having problems with Islam now is that Protestantism arose in the 16th century.
They could say that, but that is hardly a case. In the span of a few decades, God kicked the Muslims out of Europe, gave us the Reformation to close out the Middle Ages, and then gave us a new world to move to where his new church could flourish. America was founded on Protestant ideals.
I agree with all of your points and am glad someone made them. Luther himself realized the evil of Islam and started calling it the “Scourge of God” and that it had to be fought against.
The reason the whole world talked about Rome, is because it was the capitol of the Empire. If the Christian Church could even be there, then that was something to talk about. And all the Christians talked to Paul about Rome, because he was going there, and he knew he would die there.
Nobody talked about Rome’s primacy except those who wanted Rome to be primary. Everybody else talked about their own area and their work. Romish leaders couldn’t handle that they were not needed, so they started the idea that they were given special authority.
But back to your point, even today, many Fundamental Christians still think of Rome as the “Whore of Babylon”, but none of them want to see Rome fall under the Caliphate. They know which enemy is far more dangerous.
See my post #7.
“Islam is a protest against the deity of Jesus Christ, not the excesses of an out of control church.”
Rather, Islam is SATAN’S war against the God and Savior Jesus Christ.
Remember that the god the Muslims worship is simply SATAN.
>>Rather, Islam is SATAN’S war against the God and Savior Jesus Christ.
True, but my comment was framed in the context of the outlandish claims of the OP Islam and the Reformation are allies against Rome.
Well this just goes to prove that just because one is evil, that doesn’t mean one isn’t ignorant.
Apparently these jihadi wannabes believe the supposed “prophecies of St Malachi” are real. They aren’t. That’s been proven to be fake.
Shoebat's opinion here is just an historically ignorant comment. How stupid it is can be seen in the historic fact that Islam was (and is) a religion of conquest that forced at the point of a sword the conquered people to convert or die. The Assyrian Christians are not cowering in their homes in Syria saying, "Oh no, the Presbyterians are coming."
Is this from the so called moderate Muslims or from the extremists that have distorted Islam?
/sarcasm
The writer is ignorant of the meaning of "protestant". The Protestant movement wasn't against Christianity, it was against the then corruption the Catholic church. Islam is not a branch of Christianity in any way shape or form.
Bookmarked for later reading.
BS, islam was started by a false angel that mohamed did not test, it is a whole new religion/government. Mohamed did not even learn his Christanity from real Christians but a cult of Marionites, which had already bastardized Christianity which is why their "God" has no clue what Christians believe(tells you right off their god is not all knowing).
Islam has nothing to do with Protestantism which happened because the Catholic Church was not following the "Bible". Protestantism was a call for the church to return to the word's of God, not a new religion.
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