Mormon Church warns that coffee, vaping are no-nos despite fancy names, alluring flavors

AP Via Fox News ^ | 08/17/2019

[Elsie]

I’m perfectly happy to allow you your own way of believing and interpreting.

As long as I am silent about it?

No thanks.

[Jamestown1630]

LOL! Very clever how you engineer the maintenance of your ‘innocence’; while your posts clearly indicate all the ways in which you interpret others as WRONG and stand as indictments of their ‘apostasy’.

We aren’t living two thousand years ago in a limited community of the ancient Near East - and Christianity isn’t, either. Christianity has evolved and been adapted into many different sects and ways of understanding. Most of these are good, and do good in the world and for the people who follow them.

And I’m not expecting you or anyone to be ‘silent’. There is a way to express one’s own belief and interpretation, joyfully, with love; and without implicitly condemning those of others.

Your posts often remind me of a quote by Mencken: “The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-face for the urge to rule it.”

[Elsie]

..while your posts clearly indicate all the ways in which you interpret others as WRONG …

Show the jury the evidence you have.

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

[Elsie]

There is a way to express one’s own belief and interpretation, joyfully, with love; and without implicitly condemning those of others.

I hear ya...

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Matthew 15:16
   "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.

Matthew 23

 

  1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
  2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
  3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
  4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
  5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
  6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
  7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
  8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
  9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
 10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
 11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
 12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
 21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
 22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
 28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
 29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
 30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
 31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
 32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
 33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
 37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
 38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
 39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "

 

Mark 7:26-27
 26.  The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
 27.  "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

 

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And St. Paul chimes in...

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Galatians 5:12
   As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

 

[Elsie]

“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-face for the urge to rule it.”

I see...

[Jamestown1630]

Well, there you go again. You post like a machine, and are predictably ‘dull’ yourself - and I’ve reached my boredom threshold, now.

Good Night! (I hope to dream about the ‘the meek, the merciful, the pure of heart, and the peacemakers’.)

[Jamestown1630]

So: you think you’re Jesus, now?

(And I don’t think Jesus himself thought that He was ‘saving the World’. He was trying to save *individuals*.)

[Elsie]

You post like a machine,

Why thank you!

Perhaps tomorrow; after a good nights rest; you may gather about you those 'meek, merciful, pure of heart, and the peacemakers’ and then show all of the ERRORS you have found in the content of my posts.

Sweet dreams...

[Elsie]

(And I don’t think Jesus himself thought that He was ‘saving the World’. He was trying to save *individuals*.)

Please.  If you are going to try to correct me; at LEAST read the Book before hand!

 

 

 

John 12:44-50 English Standard Version (ESV)

⁴⁴ And Jesus cried out and said, “Whoever believes in me, believes not in me but in him who sent me. ⁴⁵ And whoever sees me sees him who sent me. ⁴⁶ I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness. ⁴⁷ If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. ⁴⁸ The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day. ⁴⁹ For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak. ⁵⁰ And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.”

[Jamestown1630]

Well, I didn’t mean that I think you’d win the Turing Award - you are pretty dense.

But - I hope you have sweet dreams tonight, yourself.

[Elsie]

Well, I didn’t mean that I think you’d win the Turing Award - you are pretty dense.

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"...you and I have got to emancipate ourselves from these little picayunish ideas of the universe, and know that God, Spirit, is Infinite Love and Intelligence, Wisdom and Power, and that is enough.

You and I may worship this God as we see fit. Your manner of approaching the Deity may be entirely different from mine and might be the best way. You might get a greater sense of the touch of the Divine Hand if you went to a certain place and worshiped in a certain way. If you say it is good, that is good. Somebody else might do it by fishing, etc. It is good. There are no churches and church times for the universal God; there is just simply I AM, and there is not anything else. And so let every living soul forget what individuals do and how they attempt to reach God, and mind their own affairs, just reach God within themselves.”

- Ernest Holmes, Love and Law

 

http://freerepublic.com/~jamestown1630/

 

 

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I see the direction you might be coming from.

[Jamestown1630]

You ‘see’ well, for a machine-like ‘human’.

REALLY going to bed, now.

[Elsie]

Well; a new day has risen!

Perhaps you'll be more successful in trying to turn this thread into something about ME instead of about MORMONism.

After all, the TITLE is:

Mormon Church warns that coffee, vaping are no-nos despite fancy names, alluring flavors

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Jacob J. Rosenblum on what every lawyer knows:

 

‘If the facts are against you, hammer the law.

 If the law is against you, hammer the facts.

 If the fact and the law are against you, hammer opposing counsel.'

 

[Elsie]

 ...some committed suicide...

(after GOD changed his mind)

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2019/04/04/lds-church-dumps-its/

 

[Elsie]

They are based on what church members believe was a revelation from God to founder Joseph Smith in 1833.

Perhaps Nelson should pester GOD like these guys did about blacks. 

 

 

He has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed that the long-promised day has come when every faithful, worthy man in the Church may receive the holy priesthood, with power to exercise its divine authority, and enjoy with his loved ones every blessing that flows therefrom, including the blessings of the temple. Accordingly, all worthy male members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color. Priesthood leaders are instructed to follow the policy of carefully interviewing all candidates for ordination to either the Aaronic or the Melchizedek Priesthood to insure that they meet the established standards for worthiness.

We declare with soberness that the Lord has now made known his will for the blessing of all his children throughout the earth who will hearken to the voice of his authorized servants, and prepare themselves to receive every blessing of the gospel.

Sincerely yours,

Spencer W. Kimball

N. Eldon Tanner

Marion G. Romney

 

The First Presidency

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/od/2?lang=eng

[Elsie]

... and prepare themselves to receive every blessing of the gospel...

...except COFFEE!!!

New research by FAIRLDS has turned up unshakeable evidence that what the world knows as; the genus Coffea - part of the botanical family Rubiaceae; was growing in the MIDDLE of the garden; right next to the ToKoG&E!!

Some LDS scientists believe that THIS was the thing that Eve partook of, and gave to Adam.

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Further research into this matter is generously being supplied by the Babylon Bee.

[Elsie]

I would personally let the Mormon people rebuke one other. They can probably do it a lot better than you can.

Yet you try to rebuke me.

I see...

[21twelve]

Years ago I had a friend that was a Mormon. They are great people. Just mixed up on their beliefs. She would question things in her faith (being a single, older woman - that was easy for her to do), and I would reply honestly - but politely and with love, with various Biblical scriptures that showed why I thought the Mormon positions were in error - and that God doesn’t “change His mind”.

I’m glad that was 40 years ago. It would be a lot harder to justify some of the “Christian” views on homosexual and transsexual behaviors of today.

[Elsie]

It would be a lot harder to justify some of the “Christian” views on homosexual and transsexual behaviors of today.

The Book hasn't changed.

When a person finds themselves in a 'religion' that changes with the times; GET OUT!!

[Elsie]

She would question things in her faith (being a single, older woman - that was easy for her to do), and I would reply honestly - but politely and with love, with various Biblical scriptures that showed why I thought the Mormon positions were in error - and that God doesn’t “change His mind”.

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The following may be a bit much to digest for some.

They should take it a little at a time.

Check the sources and resources.

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The purpose of this chart is allow you as a Mormon; or if you have Lds who are family and friends; to take an in-depth investigative discovery of the truth claims that challenge Mormonism.

Look over the chart for which theses have caused the most wonder in your life.   (Do not worry, as there are NO cookies involved that'll report to your Bishop.)

51 categories with links 

 Info, Web Sites and Articles on Issues Leading to Mormon doubts of SLC veracity.

Thesis #	Links	MRM.tv; John Ankerberg links; Mormonisminvestigated (UK) youtube linkage, etc.
1. Smith's peepstone usage in Book of Mormon 'translation'	Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read]   + Translation of the Book of Mormon + Book of Mormon translation + A Seer Stone and a Hat - "Translating" the Book of Mormon	Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #3)
2. The Missing Mormon archaeology of Book of Mormon civilizations	The Scientific Search for Nephite Remains (Mormon Archaeology )
3. Book of Mormon history -- anachonisms	Anachronisms	Where did the Book of Mormon come from? + Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #4 & #5)
4. DNA as relating to undergirding Book of Mormon history	Lamanite DNA (scroll down) + DNA Science Challenges LDS History	DNA vs. the Book of Mormon
5. Note how Book of Mormon names matches up, with slight revisions, with local names where Joseph Smith resided	In Search of Book of Mormon Geography + Book of Mormon Geography: Which Theory do you Believe?
6. Early Mormon theology and latter-day fallout from disbelieving Mormon theology/doctrine	Resources on Lds theology + "This Is My Doctrine": The Development of Mormon Theology + The Evolution of Mormon Theology + Joseph Smith’s Modalism: Sabellian Sequentialism or Swedenborgian Expansionism?
7. Losing faith in Book of Mormon as historical account	The Book of Mormon + Book of Mormon Difficulties	John Ankerberg Show "Book of Mormon is not qualified" + Top 10 Mormon Problems
8. First Nephi has LOTS of issues	The Book of Mormon and the King James Version (KJV Translation errors show up in the Book of Mormon)
9. Book of Abraham really an Egyptian funeral document?	The Book of Abraham + The Book of Abraham + Book of Abraham + Death Blow to Mormonism – The Book of Abraham is a Fake? + The Book of Abraham + Min is Not God!	The Lost Book of Abraham + Top 10 Mormon Problems
10. Fake Kinderhook Plates which fooled Joseph Smith	The Kinderhook Plates	Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #7)
11. Joseph Smith marries 14-year-old...and dozens of wives		Joseph Smith's 14 year old bride Helen Mar Kimball 100
12. Polyandry: Joseph Smith married the wives of 11 fellow Mormons	Joseph Smith Married Other Men's Wives: Would you share your spouse with the Prophet?
13. Polygamy--including post-manifesto polygamy/Polyandry -- "polyandry" including Joseph Smith being married to 11 women already married -- who remained married	Polygamy [Everything you might want to possibly know about historical Mormon polygamy] + LDS Leaders Still Believe There Will be Polygamy in Heaven	The 34 wives of Joseph Smith (and their 11 husbands) + Lifting the Veil of Polygamy + Top 10 Mormon Problems
14. Joseph Smith secret 'marriage' to teen Fanny Alger minus authority to do so	Alger History and Ancestry: Fanny W. Alger 1817-1879 + Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read]
15. LDS Leaders' Lies to Cover-Up Historical Polygamy	Lying for the Lord []   + LDS Leaders, Their Ethics and Lying for the Lord
16. Joseph Smith lied to his original wife	Lying for the Lord []
17. Polygamy: How it went from 'everlasting' to 'embarrassing'	Great Moments in Mormon History
18. Post-manifesto Mormon polygamy	Lying for the Lord []   + see Solemn Covenant: THE MORMON POLYGAMOUS PASSAGE -- see appendix list of about 260 plural marriages solemnized between 1890-1910
19. Lds 'scriptures' inconsistent with each other	The Book of Mormon vs Mormonism
20. Joseph Smith, post 'first vision,' tries to join Methodist church	Joseph Smith Tries to Join the Methodists
21. Multiple/conflicting versions of Joseph Smith's 'First Visions'	Joseph Smith's First Vision: Examining the evidence related to Joseph Smith’s claim to have seen the Father and the Son + The First Vision + First Vision plagiarized	Heart of the Matter: First Vision II
22. Why lengthy lag time of announcing 'First Vision'? (Authenticity or credibility of 'priesthood restoration'/Is Lds church 'One True Church?')	Lying for the Lord [] (see #1 from this article) + Priesthood Restoration + The Great Apostasy + Did Brigham Young teach that Christians are ignorant people?	Those Abominable Creeds
23. Smith's history of treasure-digging	Lying for the Lord []  + Joseph Smith and Money-Digging + See post #15
24. Joseph Smith repeatedly claimed angel 'Nephi' -- Not 'Moroni' was 'Angel' that visited him	Lying for the Lord [] (see #5 from this article)
25. Gold plates difficult for Joseph Smith to move	How Heavy Were Those Gold Plates?
26. Loss of credibility of so-called 'Book of Mormon witnesses'	Lying for the Lord []   + The Witnesses + Book of Mormon witnesses	Top 10 Mormon Problems
27. No early mention of Melchizedek priesthood in Mormon church	Lying for the Lord []
28. Joseph Smith wouldn't have been able to pass a 'Word of Wisdom' interview	Lying for the Lord [] (see #6 from this article)
29. Masonic influences in temple ceremony	Masonic Influence in the Endowment Ceremony + Masonry/Temple	Top 10 Mormon Problems  + Sandra Tanner on Mormon Temples
30. Lds temple ceremony changes: Why change something 'direct from Mormon god?'	Temple Ritual Changed...Again + Only The Latest In A Long Line: Temple Ceremony Changes Through History + Why the temple ceremony was changed in 1990 - LDS-Mormon + Why the need for secret death oaths in the LDS Temple Endowment Ceremony? [Secretive Mormon church]	Sandra Tanner on Mormon Temples + Top 10 Mormon Problems
31. Lds church making Jews into 'Mormons' post-death as their 'saviors?'	Are Mormon people LITERAL saviors of dead Jews, others? (The OTHER World Series: Vanity)
32. Joseph Smith shenanigans re: Nauvoo Expositor	Nauvoo City Council’s minutes of 1840s provide chaos, contention and lies [Lds' Smith Shenanigans] + Unparralled Outrage at Nauvoo + The Martyrdom: The Prophet Seals His Testimony with His Blood [168th anniversary of Lds censorship]
33. Joseph Smith died in a gun battle	PALMER'S ALMANAC: Mormon prophet Joseph Smith met with violent end + The Nauvoo Expositor Affair [Death of Mormon Joseph Smith]
34. Mormon cosmology?	Mormon Science and Space Doctrines [Kolobian cosmology]
35. Lds prophet prophecies that failed to pass (Losing faith in Joseph Smith)	The Prophecies of Joseph Smith + this earlier 2003 FR posted piece: Failed prophecies of Joseph Smith + Joseph Smith	Jesus Christ/Joseph Smith +The Prophecies of Joseph Smith + First steps into a New Life
36. Brigham Young's "Adam" = Mormon god teaching over 20 years	Adam God doctrine	BYU Professor Admits Adam-God Taught By Brigham Young
37. Losing confidence in Lds general authorities	Lying for the Lord [] + An American Fraud: One Lawyer's Case Against Mormonism + Resources on Lds theology + How Well Do You Know Mormon Church Leaders of the Past? + Can Mormons Trust Their Prophets?
38. Lack of Mormon leader discernment when meeting with con artist/ murderer-to-be Mark Hofmann scandal	Film in the works about Hinckley and the Mark Hofmann Episode	Mormon Stories Podcast: The Mormon Forgery Bombings – The Complex Legacy of Mark Hofmann 25 Years Later
39. Do official Mormon sources exist? What about the Journal of Discourses?	Do “Official” Mormon Sources Exist?
40. Church history cover-up by Lds leaders	Lying for the Lord [] (see #7)
41. Studying Mormon church history leading to disbelief -- therefore church leaders pre-empt scope of much Lds historical scholarship	Historical issues + Interesting Looks at Mormon History	The Early Years of Mormonism
42. Lds church placing illegal aliens in leadership positions	2 LDS branch presidents in Utah deported to Guatemala, El Salvador
43. Mormon 'testimonial' manipulation	Ten Lies I Told as a Mormon Missionary
44. Mormon 'prophet' Hinckley covered up Mormon teaching of becoming gods	Mormon Profits and Lying
45. Blood atonement: How Jesus' blood is anemic per Mormonism	Blood Atonement	What is Mormon Doctrin of "blood atonement"?
46. Mountain Meadows Massacre: First 9/11 terrorist act in USA	Mountain Meadows Massacre:“MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE HORROR CONTINUES 150 YEARS LATER” + Lying for the Lord []	Mountain Meadow Massacre
47. Mormon Racism: Exclusion of blacks from Priesthood into 1978	Blacks and the priesthood + Racism + Racial Statements in LDS Scriptures + See Bott file & links	Racism and Mormonism + Top 10 Mormon Problems
48. Lds stances re: women	Great Moments in Mormon History + Making Mormon 'Spirit' Babies [Ecumenic]
49. Lack of Lds church financial transparency -- even to its own members/leaders	Mormon church earns $7 billion a year from tithing, analysis indicates
50. Supposedly 'lay clergy' Mission Presidents receive 'sweet' 'benefits' deal	Unpaid Mormon leaders get pretty sweet deal
51. Relying upon emotional sentiments? (A 'testimony')	Quick Responses to the 10 Most Common LDS Questions (See #7)

 

 

Thanks to Colofornian for extensive work here!