Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Indeed I do, as I am sure they thanked Jerome for his Vulgate. :-)
The Catholic scholars had to make relativly few corrections. But they did correct that passage. Given the heat the issue raises outside the RC Church, it seems clearly "political" for the RSV(p) to translate the passage as they do.
You may know that I am a survivor of the Holocaust. After the Nazis experimented on me I could not be a real father. But through their cruelty I found hope and salvation in Jesus Christ, and I learned that what they had done to me for evil, I could offer up to God for Him to make a greater good from it. I could choose to be a eunuch for the Lord as He said in the 19th Chapter of Matthew. It was deeply meaningful to me that after the teaching on eunuchs immediately Jesus took children into his arms and blessed them. And so it is promised that we who follow in this way will see sons raised up to us in abundance. As the Apostle Paul said so have I become a "father in the Gospel" to many. And so the Lord is kind and gracious and allows me to be a spiritual father to many.
We will no doubt disagree for time and eternity about whether the Lord was directing his teaching "Call no man Father or Master" at the Pharisees or if he was declaring a new commandment. For my part as well as that of my Church, we believe that argument was with Christ's opponents and not with his friends or followers.
I said I was going to bring up one point from that thread, and that is exactly what I did. The reason I did is that on that thread you conceded the likelihood of the actual usage being 'c'atholic vs. 'C'atholic. This is something you failed to mention in the discussion tonight on this thread. As far as the authenticity of the Ignatian epistles go, I have zero interest on that subject. But I'm sure you will find others here eager to discuss it with you! ;o)
Havoc: Scuse me; but, it isn't about how many times the word shows up. It's about what each of those individual references has to say on the topic. Which pretty much obliterates the notion that it's all about love and then we can do whatever we please. You aren't a hippy by chance are you?
If I may interject, it seems to me that the concern expressed by Havoc and DouglasKC is that your emphasis on love rather than obedience has the tenor of antinomianism. Since I'm sure this is not how you would like to be understood, perhaps you would like to clarify your remarks?
I agree completely. Allowing God's love to grow makes us naturally follow the ten commandments...that ability to love came from the death of Christ, which gave us access to God and his great love. In other words, if our spiritual and physical lives aren't conforming to the ten commandments, we don't know God's love or aren't allowing his love to work in us.
And coming to her, he said, "Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you." (Luke 1:28 - NAB)
Better take this up, then, with the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Vatican, who approved the Lectionary based upon this translation in 1998.
I do undestand that the tension is seen between legalism and antinominianism, but the moral order that arises from the love of Jesus Christ is hardly license in any fashion nor is it a rejection of moral order. Moral order finds its meaning int he love of Christ displayed on the Cross and the crosses we bear for love of him. It is ordered, patterned, and beautiful, but it is not cut and dried, it is not a checklist, and it means a very deep attention to the full theological meaning of Love on the Cross and how that is lived in the Body of the Risen Christ. The tension is actually between the cross and the empty tomb and the only thing that makes sense of it is divine Love.
Yours must be a fascinating story! How did you ever happen to find Free Republic?
BigMack
Yes.
I delight to do thy will, O my God;
thy law is within my heart." (Psalm 40:8)
that is fulfilled and manifested in earnest in Jesus Christ.
On this, of course, I disagree with you.
And the relevence of this to my comment is...?
Thanks for the clarification.
Excuse me. No kid gloves - I've read the greek. Not one of the state of being words used in the original text intones or suggests love or is derived from the same root. In short, you're running to another translation to find something that isn't in the original text. It's bad enough that followers err in such matters - you, sir, claim to stand in a pulpit. And to that end you're telling me that you're teaching even now, philosophy rather than what the actual scripture says. If you'd like, I can post all the Greek words tomorrow. I'm a bit fired up right now and I'm restraining myself as much as I can from going off. But I'd appreciate greatly as a man of God an explanation for such a thing. It may be an interesting notion; but, it isn't what the scriptures say. Difference - one is God's word being taught and the other is not.
So I'll give you a chance to respond. And I'll hold my temper for the moment. But, I'll tell you this for nothing. I've little respect for anyone that stands in a pulpit representing God and sells philosophy instead of scripture. And it appears to me based on your prior posts that this is precisely what you're doing. If that be the case, God help you. If not, good for you. I'll let you respond.
And coming to her, he said, "Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you." (Luke 1:28 - NAB)
Better take this up, then, with the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Vatican, who approved the Lectionary based upon this translation in 1998.
Mt. 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, `Love your neighbour [Lev.
19:18] and hate your enemy.’
Mt. 5:44 But I tell you: Love your enemies [Some late manuscripts
enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who
hate you] and pray for those who persecute you,
Mt. 5:45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his
sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the
righteous and the unrighteous.
Mt. 5:46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get?
Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
Mt. 5:47 And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing
more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
Mt. 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
There seems to be a great deal of sodomy in Boston
Chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>
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