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Meanwhile, another judge also refused Friday to disqualify himself in a separate battle over Terri Schiavo's guardianship.

Associated Press
Posted on Fri, Nov. 21, 2003

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/7319235.htm

CLEARWATER, Fla.(article extract)

One hour ago, Circuit Judge George Greer denied the Request by Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, who are trying to get Michael Schiavo removed as their daughter's guardian.

Greer has presided over the case the longest, and the Schindlers have tried three previous times to get him off the case. They charge he favors their son-in-law.

Circuit Judge Crockett Farnell decided yesterday no more motions can be filed in the guardianship matter until after a third judge, George Greer, rules on a disqualification request by Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler.

Judge Greer ruling would now allow additional motions to be filed on the guardianship matter.

Michael Schiavo has been battling his in-laws in court for years to remove his wife's feeding tube, saying she would not to be kept alive artificially. She suffered severe brain damage after collapsing in 1990.

Doctors and Greer have ruled she has been in a persistent vegetative state since then, but her parents believe she is aware of her surroundings and could be rehabilitated.

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PCDR,by dab

What is the deal on Judge Farnell’s decision. I am hearing it both ways and LifeNews (their previous posted news report) is wrong ½ the time on reporting the facts of Terri’s Case. I am tied up today on other business and cannot call the courthouse and get the straight deal here. Can anybody help out on the facts. Thx

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Schiavo Case Judge Refuses To Step Down
By STEPHEN THOMPSON spthompson@tampatrib.com

Published: Nov 21, 2003

CLEARWATER - Circuit Judge Douglas Baird on Thursday refused to step down as requested by Gov. Jeb Bush in the court battle over ``Terri's Law,'' which Bush signed to order a feeding tube reinserted into the abdomen of Terri Schiavo.

In court filings Wednesday, Bush asked Baird to disqualify himself after Baird made remarks at a hearing Friday that the law intruded on Schiavo's privacy rights and was ``presumptively unconstitutional.''

That is the argument advanced by Schiavo's husband, Michael, who is challenging Bush and the law in a case over which Baird presides.

Michael Schiavo had won court permission to have the tube removed.

On Wednesday, Bush's attorney in the case, Kenneth Connor, comparing Baird to a character from ``Alice In Wonderland,'' accused the judge of making a determination on the constitutionality of Terri's Law before the governor had made his case.

Baird, in a tersely worded response Thursday, said that although he didn't contest the facts recounted in Connor's motion to disqualify him, it didn't reach the legal threshold that would require him to recuse himself. A spokeswoman from the governor's office said Bush's attorneys will assess Baird's response and respond. George Felos, Michael Schiavo's attorney, said he had planned on submitting a pleading arguing that Baird should not recuse himself. But Baird beat him to the punch.


>>>Meanwhile, a different Pinellas-Pasco circuit judge issued a ruling in another legal battle centering on Terri Schiavo - this one started by her parents, who want their son- in-law removed as guardian. Circuit Judge Crockett Farnell said Bob and Mary Schindler could not depose a Manatee County physician today, as the couple had planned, after Michael Schiavo argued they were just trying to revisit medical issues that have been resolved. <<<

A third judge, George Greer, would normally be presiding over this battle, but the Schindlers have asked that he disqualify himself. Because he has not responded to that request, Farnell stepped in.

November 15. 2003 2:31PM

Court issues stay blocking husband's challenge to law

The Associated Press
LAKELAND, Fla. --

An appeals court has stepped in to at least temporarily block a man's right-to-die fight with Gov. Jeb Bush over a new law restoring a feeding tube to his brain-damaged wife.

Bush had faced a Monday deadline to justify the constitutionality of the law, but that is gone, and Michael Schiavo now must explain to the state appeals court by Tuesday why his challenge should be on a fast track.

The 2nd District Court of Appeal issued an indefinite stay late Friday after Circuit Judge Douglas Baird lifted another stay to allow the challenge to move forward.

Schiavo has been fighting his in-laws in court for years for the right to remove his wife Terri's feeding tube, saying she would not want to be kept alive artificially. She suffered severe brain damage in 1990 when her heart temporarily stopped, cutting off oxygen to her brain.

Attorneys for the governor contend Michael Schiavo's lawsuit should not be allowed to move ahead until after he serves legal papers on the governor.

"I'm not dragging my feet," Bush said after filing the appeal. "I think it's appropriate in something that is a matter of life and death that the procedures that we believe are the appropriate ones should take place."

Bush compared his position to the "very deliberate" legal work done before any execution, saying he "wants to make sure that innocent life is protected. We go the extra mile."

Calls for comment to Michael Schiavo's attorney Saturday was not returned.

Pat Anderson, attorney for Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, said her "life continues to be threatened by those forces who want to see her die from starvation and dehydration. We are once again grateful that the Gov. is doing everything in his power to protect Terri's life."

Terri Schiavo went without water and nutrition for six days before the Legislature and Bush stepped in last month to have the tube reinserted.

Florida courts had repeatedly affirmed the right of Michael Schiavo to remove the feeding tube.

Read Complete Report of Guardian Ad Litem
Richard L. Pearse, Jr, Attorney at Law
In Re: The Guardianship of Theresa Schiavo
Probate Case # 90-2908GD-003

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/Pearse%20GAL%20Report%20122998.pdf

Copied from another thread - Original Post By:
3 posted on 11/04/2003 9:17 PM PST by flattorney

Umm, there is a second thread on the Mary Jo article I posted at. Would rather post here. Might provide better go-forward basis.

Flattorney - Thanks for great thread start. I must have received 50 emails from people wanting the complete Attorney Pearse’s GAL Affidavit since I/we wrote about it on another thread.

Here is what I posted on the other Mary Jo Article thread, see what you think in this matter:

1...Cannot trust anything Mary Jo Melone has to say about this case. She has no credibility with the facts IMO.

2...Key Schindler Group people in Terri’s Case should still contact Attorney Pearse. However, he still may not help as he has other issues here, but worth the effort. Pearse had many other comments in his GAL Affidavit regarding Michael, other than the $700k money issue. Most newer people to this Case have never read his full ten page GAL Affadavit.

Pearse is probably not aware of the recent facts involving how Michael utilized this money. I/we, well understand the “legal loopholes” that Michael-Felos-Greer are utilizing to use Terri’s Trust money to pay legal fees. I/we/our attorney’s still think it is illegal, and a violation of the Malpractice Settlement Agreement and the responding Trust Agreement. I have included Attorney Pearse’s public available information as attached below for anyone interested.

3...Regarding Attorney Pearse’s comments in Mary Jo’s current article - The Inside Skinny:

I live in Miami and understanding Florida laws and “backwoods” politics very well. See my FR personal profile for more info, if this is your pleasure. No disrespect intended, but many FR poster’s on the Terri Schiavo Case do not understand the many extreme complexities and “backwoods” politics involved here and accordingly they reach erroneous and/or emotionally driven conclusions. Again not trying to be demeaning, this is just one of the most complex Cases, overall, I have seen in almost thirty years. This Case has broad reaching ramifications that affects the entire County, our U.S. Healthcare policies in this matter, the positions of the American Medical Association, and the positions of the Florida Department of Health.

Florida “Powers” didn’t want this Terri Schiavo Case to spill into the National media spotlight. They tried everything possible to sweep this deal under the carpet and even Washington was involved. Most people have no idea how close the “Powers” came to being successful in sweeping Terri’s demise under the carpet and shrugging their shoulders, saying “we did all we could”. However, through a lot of hard work, and God’s grace, Terri’s Law got passed. Once again, trust me, you have no idea how close Terri’s Bill/Law came to be defeated, and if the Terri’s Right-To-Life Movement had to do it again next week, we would not be successful this time.

NOTE:-It’s interesting all the organizations around the U.S. taking credit for making Terri’s Law a reality. Yet I have not seen one forum post, or a National or Local media article, on the one organization who really put that Terri’s Bill over the top. Without that ONE organization, Terri’s Bill would have never happened, much less become Law. (No, I am not taking about us, we don’t have that kind of horsepower, never will)

It is a 99% foregone conclusion, by the Floridian “heavy weights in the know” that Terri’s Law will be struck down by the Florida Courts. There are many valid reasons for this that I will not delineate in this particular post. This still doesn’t mean it is going to happen, but the odds highly favor it. The Floridian “old-line” Judges, the Florida Bar Association, the Clearwater Bar Association, and others want Terri’s Law nullified for a “political message” to “certain people”. Also Florida has the most liberal Supreme Court in the County, and some of the most strict-liberal Right-To-Privacy and Right-To-Die laws in the Country. Why do you think that the National Right-To-Die maggots(IMO) picked this Schiavo Case as a National Test Case. It wasn’t an accident or because they like fresh orange juice.

I/we have seen many people like Attorney Pearse, change their public, but not private, opinion on the Terri Schiavo Case since Terri’s Law was signed by Governor Bush. I am not questioning this attorney’s credibility whatsoever. I am just stating that unfortunately they are much bigger forces/currents involved here that just Terri’s Life or Death Interest. It’s a very sad fact, but nevertheless a fact. I wish some people could wake up before it’s too late.....probably 4-5 ways Terri's Case can still be lost.

Interesting, Attorney Pearse, made a different statement in the press on this subject, just four weeks ago...of course the "trade winds" changed.

These larger agenda’s create great danger to the lesser informed......

Attachment
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Florida Bar Attorney Profile-OnLine Public Information
Richard Lee Pearse Jr
FBA 282723
Member in Good Standing
1239 S Myrtle Ave
Clearwater Florida 33756-3469
Phone: 727/462-9009
Fax: 727/449-2205
E-Mail: rlp@pearse.net
County: Pinellas
Circuit: 06
Admitted: 10/22/1979
Board Certification:
Elder Law, General Practice Solo and Small Firm, Real
Property Probate and Trust Law, Trial Lawyers Members
in Good Standing.

No More Gore Anymore - I don't personally attack anybody, that is your game. I don't owe you anything either. Everything I post is easily verifiable, do you homework. Lots of other people around the U.S. have and I don’t have any problems with them. End of discussion. Nice to hear from you again.

JoeFromSydney - Ausi? I lived in Sydney 5 years in the early 90’s, loved it. Hey, Great Post! Right, Terri is not dying and medical advances are totally outstripping existing laws. Of course, the existing laws in Florida s--k anyway on this type of case, IMO.

My/our position has been clear since Day One. Michael should give Terri to her parent, it they have the ability and financial capacity to take care of her for the rest of her natural life.

(Note - Many FR people are forgetting that if Michael gave Terri to the Schindler’s tomorrow, no strings attached, a Judge could block it because the Schindler’s cannot pass a “Means Test” (say they are dead broke from the legal battle) and it is not cheap to keep up with Terri...Just something to think about.) (FR’s posters that beat on me here, don’t understand there are 4 - 5 ways easy to still lose this Case...some of us are not forgetting)

If you have not seen this thread, you might want to check it out:

Miami Gardens Woman Has Been Caring for Comatose Daughter for 33 Years
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1012467/posts

I will post to this thread tomorrow in a little more detail. However, I have an associate, an MD, PhD, who has a niece that has been just like Terri, for 42 years! Like this women in the article her niece lives at home and is well taken of, seems happy for a semi-PVS, “healthy as a horse” for being semi-PVS, and has totally baffled all the medical experts in the U.S. that have reviewed her Case. Only difference between her and Terri, is that she has had therapy where she can still eat spoon feed baby food and liquified food, instead of living on a gastric tube. (Note -Terri is semi-PVS, not PVS - PERIOD per a top neurologist in the world who has reviewed her case and films for us)

Per my associate, the docs thought this women would live maybe 15 years tops. 27 years later, her parents have never been able to come to the decision to stop feeding her and let her starve to death. As devote Christian’s they don’t believe it is even an option for them. You cannot fault them if you believe in the Scriptures. What are you going to do?

We are getting into a whole new arena here of problems that this Terri Schiavo Case is magnifying throughout the U.S. and world. (Also see my above post on “backwoods” politics in this deal)

For one, NOBODY really knows the number of semi-PVS/PVS people in the U.S. population. There is no census count “line item” for these severely disabled people. There is no realistic way to count them all. Many like this doctor’s niece dropped out of sight 20 years ago. My associate thinks that 60-90,000 U.S. PVS patients number being bantered around in the media, doesn’t even come close. Probably like 200-400,000 PVS’s.

And with over 2 million deaths a year in the U.S., when a PVS dies, they just slip through the numeric and statistical cracks. Most docs think they died umpteen years ago anyway, even though they are still spiritually alive.

Opens up your mind a little, hun..Sure does mine...Starts getting a little like a Stephen King novel...

1...Cannot trust anything Mary Jo Melone has to say about this case. She has no credibility with the facts IMO.

2...Key Schindler Group people in Terri’s Case should still contact Attorney Pearse. However, he still may not help as he has other issues here, but worth the effort. Pearse had many other comments in his GAL Affidavit regarding Michael, other than the $700k money issue. Most newer people to this Case have never read his full ten page GAL Affadavit.

Pearse is probably not aware of the recent facts involving how Michael utilized this money. I/we, well understand the “legal loopholes” that Michael-Felos-Greer are utilizing to use Terri’s Trust money to pay legal fees. I/we/our attorney’s still think it is illegal, and a violation of the Malpractice Settlement Agreement and the responding Trust Agreement. I have included Attorney Pearse’s public available information as attached below for anyone interested.

3...Regarding Attorney Pearse’s comments in Mary Jo’s current article - The Inside Skinny:

I live in Miami and understanding Florida laws and “backwoods” politics very well. See my FR personal profile for more info, if this is your pleasure. No disrespect intended, but many FR poster’s on the Terri Schiavo Case do not understand the many extreme complexities and “backwoods” politics involved here and accordingly they reach erroneous and/or emotionally driven conclusions. Again not trying to be demeaning, this is just one of the most complex Cases, overall, I have seen in almost thirty years. This Case has broad reaching ramifications that affects the entire County, our U.S. Healthcare policies in this matter, the positions of the American Medical Association, and the positions of the Florida Department of Health.

Florida “Powers” didn’t want this Terri Schiavo Case to spill into the National media spotlight. They tried everything possible to sweep this deal under the carpet and even Washington was involved. Most people have no idea how close the “Powers” came to being successful in sweeping Terri’s demise under the carpet and shrugging their shoulders, saying “we did all we could”. However, through a lot of hard work, and God’s grace, Terri’s Law got passed. Once again, trust me, you have no idea how close Terri’s Bill/Law came to be defeated, and if the Terri’s Right-To-Life Movement had to do it again next week, we would not be successful this time.

NOTE:-It’s interesting all the organizations around the U.S. taking credit for making Terri’s Law a reality. Yet I have not seen one forum post, or a National or Local media article, on the one organization who really put that Terri’s Bill over the top. Without that ONE organization, Terri’s Bill would have never happened, much less become Law. (No, I am not taking about us, we don’t have that kind of horsepower, never will)

It is a 99% foregone conclusion, by the Floridian “heavy weights in the know” that Terri’s Law will be struck down by the Florida Courts. There are many valid reasons for this that I will not delineate in this particular post. This still doesn’t mean it is going to happen, but the odds highly favor it. The Floridian “old-line” Judges, the Florida Bar Association, the Clearwater Bar Association, and others want Terri’s Law nullified for a “political message” to “certain people”. Also Florida has the most liberal Supreme Court in the County, and some of the most strict-liberal Right-To-Privacy and Right-To-Die laws in the Country. Why do you think that the National Right-To-Die maggots(IMO) picked this Schiavo Case as a National Test Case. It wasn’t an accident or because they like fresh orange juice.

I/we have seen many people like Attorney Pearse, change their public, but not private, opinion on the Terri Schiavo Case since Terri’s Law was signed by Governor Bush. I am not questioning this attorney’s credibility whatsoever. I am just stating that unfortunately they are much bigger forces/currents involved here that just Terri’s Life or Death Interest. It’s a very sad fact, but nevertheless a fact. I wish some people could wake up before it’s too late....it's getting very old.

Interesting, Attorney Pearse, made a different statement in the press on this subject, just four weeks ago...of course the "trade winds" changed.

These larger agenda’s create great danger to the lesser informed......

Attachment I

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Florida Bar Attorney Profile - OnLine Public Information
Richard Lee Pearse Jr
FBA 282723
Member in Good Standing
1239 S Myrtle Ave
Clearwater Florida 33756-3469
Phone: 727/462-9009
Fax: 727/449-2205
E-Mail: rlp@pearse.net
County: Pinellas
Circuit: 06
Admitted: 10/22/1979
Board Certification:
Elder Law, General Practice Solo and Small Firm, Real Property Probate and Trust Law, Trial Lawyers Members in Good Standing.

thx for transcript, appreciate it!!

THANKS FOR THE POST! Great News...Opens a little breathing
and maneuvering room for the Schindlers Camp. Thank God!

Harv

Sweetliberty - Remember we are talking Florida.

You know, the State with the most LIBERAL Supreme Court in the Country.

You know, the State where the Supreme Court said parents do not have a right to notification of a minor daughter’s intent to have an abortion.

You know, the State with the strictest-liberal Right-To-Privacy Laws in the Country, so every criminal like OJ Simpson, Osama Ben Laden's brother, the majority of 9-11 terrorists, and other fine Christian taxpayers live.

You know, the strictest-liberal Right-To-Privacy Laws in the U.S. that are greatly contributing to sending Terri to her Grave!

You know, My Florida - The "Sunshine" State?

Harv

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"Most People Don't Want To Be Confused With The Facts & The Truth" - It might cloud our “vision”. In this case it will cost a person’s life.

Terri Schiavo case in court again today

There could be some major changes in the Terri Schiavo case today.

Judge George Greer has scheduled a hearing to dismiss a petition from Schiavo's parents. They want to remove Terri Schiavo's husband, Michael Schiavo, as her guardian.

The hearing is scheduled for 2:30 p.m.

This is a different guardian issue than the one ordered by the new "Terri's Law."

Terri Schiavo is the Pinellas woman who has been in what some doctors call a persistent vegetative state since 1990.

Source: BayNews Channel 9

NO, I don't know who you are nor have I heard via PM from you.

YES, this is my final post to you.

>>Wolfson's already made some boo boos that I'm not at >>liberty to discuss imo.

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Excellent, I/we definitely felt better after the hearing late Friday. I liked Felos “crying around” comments in the print media over some of Judge’s Demer’s rulings. But you got to admit the man is eloquent in this speech:

>>George Felos, the attorney for Michael Schiavo, said he >>believes the order Demers signed "reflects a little bit >>of puzzlement on the party of the judiciary on the >>involvement of the governor."

I am not real good with all that fancy English – but I think what George is saying is, 1) that his National Right-To-Die Test Case is starting to unravel, 2) he has already blow all of Terri’s Medical Trust money (we got some docs here you are going to love!), 3) and Felos is realizing he has NO plan C. That is what this “country boy” thinks he said in that above noted press “ACLU smoke signal”.

I/we have dealt with Felos types before. Felos & Co. plays VERY dirty, using passive-aggressive “slant” approaches. Felos & Co. likes to hide behind books, loop-holes in the Laws, and “Judge’s robes”. But he/they will fold in a second if taken straight on; with the hard NO BS FACTS (dump all this other stuff!); you don't stop the pressure; and you “draw him out into the street” with your “line” of legal offense. Works every time!

Felos is already rattled, making uncharacteristic mistakes, and totally blew it letting Michael "out of his cage" to do Larry King Live. I wish many FR posters that blasted Larry over that “power puff” interview, (and I will not state publically what else transpired post-show which was ridiculous) could understand how well Mr. Larry "came out of the hard streets of Miami, with a PhD in hard-knocks, and a grand-larceny arrest record) King set Michael up in that interview. King is a "street pro" and it was beautiful!

Michael never knew what hit him. The interview did WONDERS for the Terri’s Right-To-Life Movement and the media finally starting to “open up their eyes” on this case.

Thanks for the heads-up on Wolfson!

Harv

C-34573-IA

Sorry about that, my apology’s. PM me and let me know what you want to do here!

Floriduh voter:

Oh, we are verrrrrry able, but yes the FR Board is new to me. As you can observe here, basically a newbe induction by Fire and Caustic Acids!!!!! LOL.

Yesterday was nothing short of a “eat the young” shark feeding frenzy! Real WWF SmackDown. I guess people forgot it was the Lord’s Day. First time to check today to see if carried over. Surprised the thread didn’t get pulled by FR, but very glad it didn’t. THANK YOU FR WEBMASTER!! We are archiving this thread 24/7 anyway, on our server, just in case.

“Perturbation Theory” here has yielded some nice nuggets. In about 3 weeks, a few people on here are going to have real trouble looking at themselves in the mirror because of all their non-Christian conduct on this thread and newly obtained knowledge. :-)

* * Hey Floriduh voter * *

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I am e-mailing later this evening a "positional statement and disclosure”, (including previous PAC vet v PM request, which is not a problem whatsoever), to a mutual friend of ours. Will CC PM for your thoughts and consideration.

Keep up the fantastic work!

Harv


-“Clarity Leads to Power”-

FL_engineer:

Thanks for the transcripts post!!!!!!

You are THE SOURCE on this subject.

Harv

Re: No GAL Nomination by Schindler's

Ed - Email Reply:

Harv...Thank you for PM. My comments were written Friday evening after the Hearing late Friday afternoon. No court record Ms. Quartetti was accepted “on entry” by the Judge, which is what I was looking at when I made this statement. I don’t even know who she is. Cannot find her on Court approved GAL list either? Probably my mistake on both counts. Don’t know, but it is not important at this juncture. Let’s just say everything is fine and the Schindler’s did nominate someone for GAL, although I have a technical problem here with this statement. Sorry for the initial mis-post and all the confusion...Ed

I am done here. Did what I was asked by FR members for your consideration. No more comments from me on this matter. I just broke my keyboard:-). You look at everything posted on this tread, do your own research, make your own decision, and post what is going on here if you would like. Thanks and God Bless..

Don't have a clue what you are talking about. I received several posts and PM's re references on this matter so I posted them. Bye