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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 19-23
Various | November 18, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/18/2003 5:41:24 PM PST by sweetliberty

(Thread 9 - November 19-23)
Link back to thread 8 (Nov. 14-18)

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Contained in Thread 8:

Contact info for Judge Greer and the 6th DCA, link to argument between Pat Anderson and Judge Greer, Judge Baird's predetermination of the case, timeline of Terri's case, statutes being violated (also here) in Terri's case, contact information for Bernie McCabe and Jay Wolfson ( link to a better address for Bernie McCabe), super contact list for Florida courts, legislature, Senate and Washington, link to Gov. Bush's amicus curiae brief, Responding to Patients in the Persistent Vegetative State , a Christian parspective, PC93's letter of complaint against Michael Schiavo to demand criminal investigation and more contact information, contact information for the Florida Committee on guardianship, testimony of Jackie Rhodes, interesting article Is Wife-icide Legal In Florida(?), contact information for investigative ops and judicial operations, transcript of the Hannity and Colmes interview with the Schindlers, links to transcripts of other shows on Terri's case, contact information for Fox News shows, address to send Terri's birthday cards and contact information for advocacy center investigating Terri's abuse and neglect.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

INDEX OF TERRI THREADS ON FR

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

A "Painless" Death?

Was Terri Schiavo Beaten in 1990? (Nat Hentoff)

His Fight to Give Terri Schiavo Communion

Terri's family appeals to Oprah fans

Terri Schiavo's Fight

Court Issues New Stay in Schiavo Case

Judge calls Terri's Law intrusive

Mom kept hope for girl who came out of vegetative state

Hannity & Colmes Tonight - Monday, 11-17-03 - Terri Schindler-Schiavo's Parents

"Terri's Lights" Campaign Raises Awareness of Terri Schiavo's Plight

Catholic Media Coalition Declares November 30, 2003 "Theresa Schindler Schiavo Day"

Terri's dad: 'She's literally been a prisoner'

Husband's attorney seeks end to delays in Schiavo case

Terri's Threads on FreeRepublic.com - 18 Nov 2003 0351 PST



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To: Snykerz
It's Debra Bushnell. She hovered over Terri the day Jeb's Executive Order was faxed to the family's command center across from Hospice. She's as cold as Felos and she must have sold her soul to go into practice with him.
301 posted on 11/21/2003 7:25:40 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org freeper site)
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To: Snykerz
I don't know, she has short, blonde hair and is is anorexic looking like the woman in the car. The woman in the car looks younger, but it could just be that the photo isn't very clear.
302 posted on 11/21/2003 7:27:38 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: lilypad
This article may have been posted already:

Vigil for Terri Schiavo underway: plaid ribbons, lights in windows

Nov 20, 2003

By Joni B. Hannigan

ST. PETERSBURG BEACH, Fla. (BP)--Green plaid ribbons and a light in the window will remind people around the world that Terri Schiavo, a 39-year-old disabled woman, is not yet out of danger and faces death by starvation and dehydration if her husband and guardian prevails in the Florida courts.

A family supporter, Julie Smithson, has initiated a movement being called "Terri's Lights." The Ohio woman has encouraged those who believe Terri has the right to live to display green plaid ribbons and lights in their windows until Terri is safe from harm and can return to the care of her family, according to a press release from the Terri-Schindler-Schiavo Foundation.

Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman who collapsed in her home in 1990, is at the center of a national "right-to-die" debate that is being played out daily through court decisions and legal wranglings. The Florida legislature and Gov. Jeb Bush intervened and halted her death by starvation and dehydration Oct. 21, six days after her feeding tube had been removed by a court order obtained by her husband and legal guardian, Michael Schiavo.

Michael Schiavo continues to battle Bush and assert his wife's "privacy rights" are being violated. Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, contend Terri has not been given needed therapy and is not in a "persistent vegetative state" as Michael's attorneys have said -- and therefore her life is worth saving.

Supporters of the Terri's Lights initiative are urged to place green plaid ribbons around their trees, to wear a green plaid ribbon on their clothes and to place a light in their window until Terri is out of danger.

There are some reports that Terri's Lights already are being displayed throughout the United States and as far away as Australia -- where pro-life advocates have asked what they could do to show their support.

"We are truly overwhelmed and grateful for the many thoughts and prayers for Terri," said Mary Schindler, Terri's mother, in the news release. "It helps to know that there are so many people who recognize that Terri is merely a disabled woman who deserves to be given a chance. We want desperately to continue to care for her and get her the therapy she needs."

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Joni B. Hannigan is managing editor at Florida Baptist Witness. For more information on Terri's Lights and other information about the Schiavo case go to www.terrisfight.org/ and to www.FloridaBaptistWitness.com.

303 posted on 11/21/2003 7:28:23 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: lilypad; pc93; kimmie7; Ragtime Cowgirl; windchime; iowamomforfreedom; NYer; nutmeg; MeeknMing; ...
Maybe a Glenn Beck insider could email Glenn that Terri's birthday is DECEMBER 3rd. She'll be 40. We're having a HUGE PARTY for her on the Hospice lawn. Her favorite color is PURPLE. We'll be wearing purple, have tons of balloons and music. Tracy from Chicago is back for the third time with her teacup puppy. We've had dogs, a chicken and a gray parrot vigil with us.

I've got errands to run today.

I'M LOOKING FOR A GLENN BECK INSIDER FREEPER TO CONTACT GLENN... Maybe he can do a birthday party on the air for Terri. That would be kewl. Thanks in advance.

The daily news is running behind what we were told at the Vigil last night. Maybe we'll find out about the deposition in a couple of days. It's confusing on scene sometimes in addition to on the www.

304 posted on 11/21/2003 7:31:28 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org freeper site)
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To: pc93
Florida office of the Dept of Justice is COMPLETELY corrupt. We found that out when we were researching Shohat, the attorney that helped frame Rush.
305 posted on 11/21/2003 7:46:51 AM PST by TaxRelief (My advise? Always keep a can opener in the emergency shelter.)
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To: floriduh voter
Heavenly Father, we return to give You thanks that there is joy in celebrating the birthday of this mother's child. I ask, O God, that You would turn this time into a national celebration of life .. bring forth those who are gifted in public relations, that they might alert the media and that their response would be overwhelming. Bless the efforts of the organizers, that they might clearly show the love for Terri and the joy we have in celebration. Speak to those whose names are familiar to the nation, that they might add their support to this special day ... speak to those whose names are unfamiliar, that ordinary people might express extraordinary love .. and may these efforts be blessed by Your hand, such is the love You have for this mother's child. May it be thus, Lord, in Your blessed name, Amen ...
306 posted on 11/21/2003 7:47:34 AM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: TaxRelief; floriduh voter
What is the deal on Judge Farnell’s decision. I am hearing it both ways and LifeNews (their previous posted news report) is wrong ½ the time on reporting the facts of Terri’s Case. I am tied up today on other business and cannot call the courthouse and get the straight deal here. Can anybody help out on the facts. Thx

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Schiavo Case Judge Refuses To Step Down
By STEPHEN THOMPSON spthompson@tampatrib.com

Published: Nov 21, 2003

CLEARWATER - Circuit Judge Douglas Baird on Thursday refused to step down as requested by Gov. Jeb Bush in the court battle over ``Terri's Law,'' which Bush signed to order a feeding tube reinserted into the abdomen of Terri Schiavo.

In court filings Wednesday, Bush asked Baird to disqualify himself after Baird made remarks at a hearing Friday that the law intruded on Schiavo's privacy rights and was ``presumptively unconstitutional.''

That is the argument advanced by Schiavo's husband, Michael, who is challenging Bush and the law in a case over which Baird presides.

Michael Schiavo had won court permission to have the tube removed.

On Wednesday, Bush's attorney in the case, Kenneth Connor, comparing Baird to a character from ``Alice In Wonderland,'' accused the judge of making a determination on the constitutionality of Terri's Law before the governor had made his case.

Baird, in a tersely worded response Thursday, said that although he didn't contest the facts recounted in Connor's motion to disqualify him, it didn't reach the legal threshold that would require him to recuse himself. A spokeswoman from the governor's office said Bush's attorneys will assess Baird's response and respond. George Felos, Michael Schiavo's attorney, said he had planned on submitting a pleading arguing that Baird should not recuse himself. But Baird beat him to the punch.


>>>Meanwhile, a different Pinellas-Pasco circuit judge issued a ruling in another legal battle centering on Terri Schiavo - this one started by her parents, who want their son- in-law removed as guardian. Circuit Judge Crockett Farnell said Bob and Mary Schindler could not depose a Manatee County physician today, as the couple had planned, after Michael Schiavo argued they were just trying to revisit medical issues that have been resolved. <<<

A third judge, George Greer, would normally be presiding over this battle, but the Schindlers have asked that he disqualify himself. Because he has not responded to that request, Farnell stepped in.
307 posted on 11/21/2003 8:12:29 AM PST by saveterri1 (The Facts Never Change, Only the Perceptions)
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To: TaxRelief
Florida certainly has more than its share of corrupt judges. And it's part of a national trend of "Dictatorship by Judges" and our Constitution and justice be damned.
308 posted on 11/21/2003 8:20:04 AM PST by Dante3
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To: saveterri1
Now why after all this does Greer decide not to hear this??Did this Judge Farnell and he decide for Farnell to not hear this just so they can say "another judge refuses to hear the Schindlers"! Felos loves to say "over 20 judges have already refused to hear the Schindlers, now he can say 21".
309 posted on 11/21/2003 8:27:45 AM PST by lilypad
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To: All
The Hearing to Save Terri Schiavo's Life

By Rus Cooper-Dowda (written in 2002)

In 1990, Terri Schiavo's heart suddenly stopped. Before she could be revived, her brain was damaged and she slipped into a comalike state.

In early October, the latest hearing began to determine the 38-year-old woman's fate. Her parents and their doctors say Terri is responsive and deserves to live. Her husband, who has just had a daughter by the woman to which he is now engaged, wants Terri to die.

Terri received a $700,000 malpractice award in the early 1990s (doctors hadn't done enough to diagnose the potassium deficiency that led to her heart attack); husband Michael has been paying his legal fees out of it in his fight to end her life. If she dies, as her husband (he has never filed for divorce) he will receive whatever funds are left.

Michael Schiavo says Terri is brain dead. He wants to remove her feeding tube and end her life. Her parents maintain that their daughter smiles, turns her head, vocalizes and tracks with her eyes. They say she would improve with treatment.

To date, the husband has refused to OK antibiotics or dental work -- "Her teeth are fine; she doesn't eat," he has said. She has not had physical, occupational, recreational or speech therapy for years. She has not had a mammogram or pap smear for four years. When a complete physical was ordered for her in preparation for the current hearing, a urinary tract infection was discovered.

The major issue involved in this round of the fight for her life is what is meant by "new" treatment. The hubby says it means untried, pointless care. The parents say they want the kind of care she hasn't gotten yet.

The husband's doctors maintain that she does not feel pain, yet have prescribed pain medication for her ‹ to make the nurses feel better, they say.. Terri's moaning and crying is only primitive brain stem activity, it's said.

When she smiles at her mother coming in the room, it's just primitive stem cell activity, say the doctors hired by Michael.

I attended the hearing in Clearwater, Florida to determine whether Terri Schiavo should have her feeding tube removed. She is stable. She is not terminally ill.

The hardest part of that first day was watching videos of Terri. "That could have been me," I thought.

On one of the videos, a doctor asks Terri to open her eyes as widely as she can. While she was doing this on tape, I looked around the courtroom. Everybody in the courtroom was doing the same widening action . . . including the husband, his attorney, the sheriffs and the judge himself.

In the videotape of Terri, she is responding to doctors and family. Sometimes she is responding to music. Frequently she can be seen clearly responding to spoken requests to move parts of her body.

A snip of the tape was shown on Tampa's ABC-TV affiliate: At its end, the news anchor said, "I guess it seems a matter of semantics, but it doesn't look like a coma."

Throughout the hearing, Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, has been trying to doctors to agree that Terri is not "with it" enough to be allowed to continue her life. One of the doctors seemed to consider message boards a rare thing, and claimed to have never heard of the most famous computerized message board user of all -- Stephen Hawking. While examining Terri's videotaped interaction with her mother, he had to be asked twice to please look at his monitor, and to put his glasses back on so he could see his screen clearly.

And Ronald Cranford, a Minnesota neurologist known for his involvement in so-called "right-to-die" cases, seemed content to testify about the tapes without having viewed them.

Watching his own videotaped exam of Terri, I heard him first declare the woman could not hear him, and then giving her a series of very fast verbal commands. I've had neurological exams myself, but have never experienced one as physically brutal as the one I watched Terri received on Cranford's videotape. He clumsily poked, prodded, thumped, shoved and pinched her -- she DID seem to pull away when he approached her, he testified. He thunked her hard between the eyebrows. She moaned. That was not a pain response, Cranford told the court.

On viewing a large photo of Terri and her mother joyously greeting, Cranford maintained Terri could not be recognizing her mother. It was only an "involuntary subcortical response," he said. The photo "cheap sensationalism," he insisted.

Should the court base its decision as to whether Terri lives or dies on a nose count, asked Ms. Pat Anderson, attorney for Terri's parents, in her closing argument. No; credibility of the medical experts who'd testified was the key, she said.

Yet none of those saying Terri should die had any patients like Terri, she told the court, nor did they -- by their own testimony -- keep up on advances in rehabilitation. Anderson reminded the court that Terri's current attending physician has for years spent only spent ten minutes with her every four months.

What about the "untried" therapies for Terri? Much of the therapy Terri's parents want for her, Anderson said, has been standard therapy for a good while -- but somehow never for Terri.

The experts speaking against Terri, she said, practiced an "intellectual disconnection" that filtered Terri's humanity through the sieve of what people with such disabilities are not expected to be able to do. "Is it fair or equitable to keep saying that we are not going to help you because 'you have brain damage'?" she asked the court.

"Terri has shown us her spirit and tried as hard as she can under the circumstances to say, 'I'M STILL HERE!'

After the hearing, I reflected. Those videotapes of Terri interacting with her environment had been both good and sad to see. Physicians who current treat people with disabilities like Terri -- and everyone else in the courtroom -- can clearly see her voluntary responses -- to balloons, pain and humor. If you are fortunate enough to have a loving relationship with your mother, then it is very easy to see the love that passes between mother and adult child when Terri's mother enters the room.

The other side says that what we are seeing is merely an uncontrolled brain stem reflex -- that just coincidentally happens every time she sees her mother.

Terri has never been given standard speech and communication therapy to enable her to tell us what she thinks. Because of that, she has lost the speech she is said to have had even after her injury. Now that same lack of therapy is being used against her.

Rus Cooper-Dowda is a minister and freelance writer in St. Petersburg, Fla.

post script:

A 1991 bone scan recently discovered by Pat Anderson, attorney for Schiavo's parents, shows old fractures to Terri's ribs, back, knees and ankles. Her family believes the newly uncovered scan supports allegations that her disabilities are due to domestic violence. At an emergency Nov. 15 hearing, they asked the court once again that Michael Schiavo be removed as guardian.

They want the suspected violence and subsequent lack of treatment for her breaks to be investigated before Judge Greer rules on whether her feeding tube is removed.

Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, attributed the bone breakage to Terri's paralysis but backed off of that explanation when the judge pressed him into admitting that she is not actually paralyzed. Felos has also said her breaks are the result of anti-seizure medication and physical therapy.

On Nov. 22, Judge Greer ruled that that Terri's feeding tube be removed.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is an old article but one I had not seen before. I searched but did not see it posted here, my apologies if it has been.It speaks volumes.

310 posted on 11/21/2003 8:28:33 AM PST by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: Micavaga; nicmarlo; sweetliberty; All
...but why?

Because he is a RINO-RAT? Beside, no matter how wrong or perverted one judges decision may be, they're going to stick together.

311 posted on 11/21/2003 8:44:06 AM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Dante3; All
Worth repeating:

Florida certainly has more than its share of corrupt judges. And it's part of a national trend of "Dictatorship by Judges" and our Constitution and justice be damned.

312 posted on 11/21/2003 8:58:19 AM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: No More Gore Anymore
ping to #307
313 posted on 11/21/2003 9:13:25 AM PST by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: saveterri1
Oh good , harv, you are back. I bet you have taken this time to collect those links to your powerful PAC for Terri, right? I have been waiting for you tell prove to us that you aren't BS ing us. I hope to see those links today, Harv.
314 posted on 11/21/2003 9:33:38 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: japaneseghost
She has never been in a coma. She was labled PVs by the courts, and some of the FLA lawmakers think they need to redefine the current staus or medical definiton fo PVS, that is in part how Terri's Law was passed. Some Docs are now calling her CP. Cerebral Palsay, according to the parents. Some witness say she is responsive, some say she isn't. The problem is the husband who wants her dead, has another family and gets life insurance, the lawyer with the right to die agenda and theri docters say she is not. The family who wants to care for her , nurses who have cared for her and the families docters say she is responsive.

The husband will not allow anyone to examine her or give her terapy tofind out exactly.

315 posted on 11/21/2003 9:40:00 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: saveterri1
"Baird, in a tersely worded response Thursday, said that although he didn't contest the facts recounted in Connor's motion to disqualify him, it didn't reach the legal threshold that would require him to recuse himself."

Translation: Yes, I am biased. Yes, I have pre-judged the matter, But I am also a corrupt waste of skin with the power to do what I want.

So don't bother presenting any more motions to me or my buddies because they will all be dismissed.

So screw you. Screw the law.

We are going to see to it that the veggie bitch dies so that Michael can get on with his life and George can go on with his cruise.

Get the picture?

316 posted on 11/21/2003 10:21:26 AM PST by isrul
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To: Budge
It all makes sense to me now, why the HOLY MOTHER and JESUS
CHRIST images revealed themself here (Clearwater)...

It was to show us all the great pure evil that is occurring
there, and the evil runs deep, It's 1930's & 40's again, but this new business of killing people, and there death camps are being run by many in power.

Florida State Senator President Jim King (Republican) is there Kingpin. He lived and study in Clearwater (MS same school). He's well connected, and his friends that are judges(Same area) protect there $$$$ business operation(s),
You got Jim passing laws in the Senate, which helps them.

I hope and pray and NOW will do my best tto inform others
on the East/Upper part of Florida to VOTE against Jim King
of Jacksonville, and the people of Clearwater/St.Pete area(s) need to VOTE OUT GREER in 2004....also

They're all connected here.....just study there BIO, and the pc's of the puzzle just fix prefect....

These are evil people, who just happen to be Republicans....

Then you have the ACLU (anti-GOD/JESUS), which is run by Demoncrats working together with evil republicans, then you have the supreme warlock lawyer of the entire United States
representing M.S., the Worst Women abuser,beater,CON, lier,etc..evil helping evil......
Then you have a women hater judge.....

This is wild...It's like the movie(s)...
"THE OMEN" and the "7th Signs"....combine

A fight between the LIGHT(GOOD) vs....EVIL(Deceptions)..MURDERs

The question to the world is who's going to win here ????
317 posted on 11/21/2003 11:11:52 AM PST by Orlando (Contact the Florida Supreme Court at www.flcourts.org(Save Terri))
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To: No More Gore Anymore
I am a bit busy today but I am still checking to see if that Doctor get's interviewed today by Terri's parents attorney and if so what does the doctor say.

Hopefully it is positive for terri and that we find out real soon since the interview was to take place today.
318 posted on 11/21/2003 11:14:52 AM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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To: isrul
There is a poll in Florida's
Sun Sentinel newspaper.
This is the poll question:

"Do you feel the new law championed by Gov. Bush concerning Terri Schiavo is unconstitutional?"

We are almost 1200 votes behind on this one.
Current figures:
Yes---1791 votes cast---72.6%
No-----618 votes cast---25.1%

This poll is in Terri's and also
Governor Bush's state. Terri
supporters can close the gap on
this if we all roll up our
sleeves and get to voting. The
poll is in the lower right corner
of the webpage.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-1121schiavo,0,3624264.story?coll=sfla-news-florida

PS. I don't know if this will work, but it would
be great if some of the heavy posters here could
pick up the link to the poll as a tag line for a
while. That way there would be lots of reminders
for every reader to jump to the page and vote for
Terri and the Governor.
319 posted on 11/21/2003 11:27:30 AM PST by terrasol (Vote for Terri's Law: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-1121schiavo,0,3624264.stor)
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To: saveterri1; TaxRelief; floriduh voter; msmagoo; cyn; lady lawyer; Aliska; flattorney; ...
Meanwhile, another judge also refused Friday to disqualify himself in a separate battle over Terri Schiavo's guardianship.

Associated Press
Posted on Fri, Nov. 21, 2003

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/7319235.htm

CLEARWATER, Fla.(article extract)

One hour ago, Circuit Judge George Greer denied the Request by Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, who are trying to get Michael Schiavo removed as their daughter's guardian.

Greer has presided over the case the longest, and the Schindlers have tried three previous times to get him off the case. They charge he favors their son-in-law.

Circuit Judge Crockett Farnell decided yesterday no more motions can be filed in the guardianship matter until after a third judge, George Greer, rules on a disqualification request by Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler.

Judge Greer ruling would now allow additional motions to be filed on the guardianship matter.

Michael Schiavo has been battling his in-laws in court for years to remove his wife's feeding tube, saying she would not to be kept alive artificially. She suffered severe brain damage after collapsing in 1990.

Doctors and Greer have ruled she has been in a persistent vegetative state since then, but her parents believe she is aware of her surroundings and could be rehabilitated.

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PCDR,by dab
320 posted on 11/21/2003 11:33:34 AM PST by saveterri1 (The Facts Never Change, Only the Perceptions)
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