Mesopotamia's civilization originated in Armenia [ uh-boy... ]

PanARMENIAN ^ | July 2, 2010 | unattributed

[SunkenCiv]

Unique discoveries revealed as a result of excavations at Shengavit (4000-3000 B.C.) confirm that Armenia is the motherland of metallurgy, jeweler's art, wine-making and horse breeding.

A group of archaeologists studying the ancient city concluded that 4000-3000 B.C. Armenia was a highly developed state with exclusive culture. The excavations are carried out by an Armenian-American archaeological expedition.

Director of the Scientific and Research Institute of Historical and Cultural Heritage of the RA Ministry of Culture Simonyan said that for example, the glass beads discovered at the territory of Shengavit are of a higher quality than the Egypt samples.

"Meanwhile, the amount of revealed horse bones at the territory has exceeded all expectations of the researchers. With respect to this, German paleozoologist Hans Peter Wertman stated that he has not observed such a quantity of horses in the entire Ancient East.

A great number of stone tools have been found in workrooms. While the discovered evidences of copper production prove that a systematized iron production was established in Armenia," said Simonyan, adding that many surprises are still awaiting us.

For his part, Mitchell S. Rothman, a Professor of Anthropology and Archaeology and founder of the Anthropology Department at Widener University in Chester, Pennsylvania, said that all the discoveries prove that around 6,000 years ago the culture of Shengavit has spread over the ancient world. "All that was known in Mesopotamia came from Armenia. Armenia is the absent fragment in the entire mosaics of the ancient world's civilizations construction. Shengavit has supplemented the lacking chains, that we had been facing while studying the ancient culture of Mesopotamia," concluded Rothman.

[SunkenCiv]

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[Daveinyork]

I thought it was Africa.

[Uncle Miltie]

[eleni121]

Why the “uh boy?

The region now called Armenia has been recognized as a genetic marker site - for some of the oldest homo sapiens in the world...

[livius]

What’s “uh boy” about this? Armenia is kind of a strange cultural intersection. People in ancient times seem to have been in constant movement, although I think the place where anything really and truly “originated” is up for grabs.

[ZULU]

Exactly.

I believe Armenia is connected to the ancient civilization of Urartu.

Armenians had a powerful kingdom in ancient times, they were a client state of the Roman Empire, they were Christianized at an early date, they provided troops in support of the Byzantine Emperors, they maintained their Christianity in the face of ferocious persecution by the Turks and continue to do so up to the present.

Americans of Armenian extraction are strongly patriotic people, hard working and industrious. And, of no less importance, Armenian women are very beautiful and exotic looking.

Too bad too many other Americans are willing to forgive the damn Turks for the evil they did against the Armenians and other Christian minorities in the Ottoman Empire and even up to the present in modern Turkey. Perhaps NOW that the Damn Turks have demonstrated their perfidiousness towards America and Israel, Americans will change their minds about the Armenian holocaust.

[ApplegateRanch]

There is evidence that this map is outdated; that the Ur shown is the wrong Ur.

It is widely postulated that “Ur of the Chaldees” was, in Abram’s time, well north of Haran, around the Turkish border/Armenia area, since the Chaldees had not migrated even as far south as Babylon, let alone to (then coastal) confluence of the two rivers, in Sumer.

[decimon]

Yeah, what’s this “uh boy” stuff? Huh? Huh? Huh? ;-)

Interesting. Thanks.

[Uncle Miltie]

Looks like we traded places.

I moved to J’ville from NoDak in 2008.

Lovin’ life on Old Military.

[wildbill]

The Armenians and Kurds will love this.

[SunkenCiv]

livius: ...although I think the place where anything really and truly "originated" is up for grabs.

/bingo

Thus, "uh-boy".

One might try (based on the piles of dead horses) to make a case for Armenia to be the homeland of the Aryans, but there's older sites in Central Asia which appear to be the immediate roots of the whole works. That there were recognizable Indian subcontinent deities carried into Anatolia and the riverine areas is generally known I think. They didn't originate in Armenia, however.

Mesopotamian civ' was characterized by large-scale, settled, irrigated agriculture, something that didn't come down out of the mountains, but arose right on the spot. The RC date for a multirow barley sample -- iow, an irrigated food crop species -- was 14,000 B.P., and it's probably somewhat older (it's an uncalibrated date, and atmospheric carbon levels fluctuated a lot during the last glaciation and thereafter).

The Sumerians, whose writing system and texts are the earliest known, recorded that they'd come to the region by sea, and their own large cities (and the major rivers) had names which are not Sumerian, and not related to any other known language, meaning, whomever was there were absorbed and/or replaced, and the only trace of their tongue were the place names, which the Sumerians kept. It was a peculiarity of the Sumerians (and to some extent, the Semitic groups who followed) to attribute the foundation of human cities to non-human deities. It can be inferred from this that urban living was already recognized as very old 5000 years ago. :')

And I don't need to point out (but will anyway) that Sumerian is a language isolate, with no known relatives living or dead.

[SunkenCiv]

I’m glad I’m not the only one around here. :’)

[SunkenCiv]

There is, somewhere, in a recent issue of, hmm, now I don't know, one of the arch. mags, a cover story on the Hurrians. Or maybe it's not the cover, but it's a big article. Okay, so, I'm not that helpful.

urartu site:freerepublic.com

Google

[SunkenCiv]

never posted this I guess:

http://abc.az/eng/news/main/40491.html

Caucasus’ most ancient administrative building found in Azerbaijan

Baku, Fineko/abc.az. Following next digging surveys the Institute of Archaeology & Ethnography of the National Academy of Sciences of Azerbaijan (AMEA) has found a great deal of historical and archaeological monuments, ancient sites and hundreds of valuable samples of culture.

The Academy informs that following discovery of the findings there became known fresh facts about history of Shamkir.

“On the territory of cemetery of Ashagi Irmashli village there were found stone books dated to VII-VIII centuries. During excavation on the area of Garajemirli it was discovered an ancient town constructed before Christ. An ancient administrative building constructed approximately 2500 years ago was found precisely over here. The building consisted of eight rooms and some columns. During digging on the right bank of river Shamkirchay there found the remnants of jugs, sewage lines, a water storage reservoir, and different articles. The findings prove that in IX-X centuries Azerbaijan has high-developed urban culture and crafts,” it was reported.

The expedition organized with financial support of German government involves specialists from Germany and Georgia along with Azerbaijani researchers.

23.11.2009 17:26

[Daffynition]

[ApplegateRanch]

Old Military’s a nice area. We were up near Buncom, —Sterling Creek Rd & Little Applegate Rd— on Grouse Creek.

[ApplegateRanch]

Old Military’s a nice area. We were up near Buncom, —Sterling Creek Rd & Little Applegate Rd— on Grouse Creek.

[ApplegateRanch]

Not to worry; I have your back...until I desert. I also like Rohl & Fell...but like you, not totally without some reservations.

I would really like to see what is hidden off the coasts of India & Thailand. Or under the Black Sea.