A-Bomb Victims Stage Rally in Hiroshima Against U.S. Nuclear Warship

ap.tbo ^ | October 29, 2005 | AP

[Mr. Silverback]

As are the majority of US Navy vessels bigger than the FFG class.

Not to nitpick, but since the very early 70's, we have only built nuc carriers and subs. Cruisers are now gas-turbine (read: "Big ass jet engine") powered, ditto for FFGs and DDGs.

[Mr. Silverback]

Truman was told that 100,000 mainland Asians were dying at the hands of the Japanese occupiers each month, and he factored that into his decision. A historian recently estimated that the actual death rate was more like 250,000 to 400,000. We planned to invade on 1 November 1945. In other words, the fewer than 200,000 deaths between Hiroshima and Nagasaki prevented somewhere between 300,000 and 1.2 million deaths on the mainland before we even begin counting invasion casualties.

[Petronski]

One of the more obvious things we have all learned about nukes is that their scale is vastly beyond our ability to imagine.

I recommend some Pamprin. Leave the discussions of "nukes" to the adults who are able to understand them.

[Petronski]

I was once in the chain of command for any orders to use nukes on other people.

Bullshit. Prove it.

[muawiyah]

Actually, I don't have to prove anything. What you need to do is get over the idea that you know or understand anything about the military. It's pretty clear you don't. In fact, let me put it this way, your demand is something no one who'd ever been in the military would do.

[muawiyah]

I think you are trying to discuss something outside the scope of the article initially posted.

Try to stay on target in the future. You will enjoy it more and, amazingly, begin to understand some of the more serious statements others make in response to those stories.

[muawiyah]

They're not a race.

[Petronski]

Do you really think anyone believes you?

I'd believe him before I'd ever believe you, mua, your credibility is all but shot.

[muawiyah]

The Japanese culture has two sides. On one you have warriors. On the other you have artists.

They have demonstrated numerous times that they are able to flip from one state to the other very rapidly.

The primary topic, however, was about folks who were hit by the first nukes who were still alive and who were part of an anti-nuke demonstration.

So far I have seen no one here willing to put himself or herself in their place.

We've even had people blaming children for WWII.

I think it's heavy use of narcotics that's making it difficult for our society to identify life's villains anymore.

[Mr. Silverback]

I don't blame women and children for their nation's wars.

And I don't blame Harry Truman for a decision that may have traded 200,000 casualties for 2.2 million. The Japanese forces on the Asian mainland were killing somewhere around 250,000 and 400,000 civilians a month, so there would have been 750,000 to 1.2million deaths in august, September and October. Then, the invasion on 1 November would have cost about a million or more lives, mostly civilians.

Truman would have to have been a monster to hold it back.

[Petronski]

If you can't prove special knowledge, don't claim it. There is no credit for the bullshit arts on FR.

[muawiyah]

You are out of hand and are trying to turn this thread into a flamefest.

[Petronski]

You claimed something you can't prove. That makes it bullshit.

[Mr. Silverback]

I can't imagine they'll send the Nimitz to Yoko. That would just be rubbing their noses in it, which would be wrong at all, but especially wrong after they've been such fine allies the past 55 years.

[muawiyah]

Good for Harry. BTW, did I tell you the story about the time I called him up at his library and talked to him?

Why are you stuck in this Ying/Yang thing where it is necessary to blame the victims for getting roasted by a nuke?

[TankerKC]

What's THAT reply all about?

Seems like he's got something up his ass.

[muawiyah]

Interesting the things that you do not know.

Ever hear of a Davey Crockett Rocket?

Infantry battalions had them.

People who exhibit ignorance of the Davey Crockett were undoubtedly not in the military, or, at any rate, in the American military, and probably not the Russian military either because those bad boys certainly knew about them.

I'm really happy the order to fire one never came down.

[Petronski]

Changing the subject AND presuming my ignorance on a specific topic. LOL

You don't like being called on your wild claims. That's obvious. Too bad. So sad.

[muawiyah]

Your little buddy Bipolar Bob at #10 asked who had the moral high ground.

That's what it's all about.

In the future bother to check out the links in the thread before you open your piehole, eh?!

[MamaB]

I have a relative who flew on bombers during bomb testing. He is having all sorts of health problems due to that. He was on one when a lambskin coat caught on fire in the cockpit.