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Texas shooting suspect's choice of guns complicates debate over assault rifles
The Chicago Tribune ^ | May 20, 2018 | Callum Borchers, The Washington Post

Posted on 05/20/2018 6:32:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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61 posted on 05/20/2018 8:59:24 PM PDT by seawolf101 (Member LES DEPLORABLES)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The weapon is irrelevant, a psycho can kill with a wide variety of things. However we are overlooking an obvious common thread. The school shooters from Columbine to Texas all fit certain psychological profiles and telegraphed their intention to commit mass murder days or weeks in advance. School and law enforcement authorities were either oblivious to these threats or failed to act on them. We created a no fly list for people fitting certain profiles why not something similar for schools? The laws we need are not more gun control, but dealing with mental health issues including being able to detain those making such threats


62 posted on 05/20/2018 9:04:53 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That's true" that weapons other than assault rifles can kill many people at once, conceded Avery W. Gardiner, co-president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which favors a federal ban on assault rifles but not on shotguns or pistols.

Thus proving that the push for an "assault weapons" ban is pure BS, pablum for the ill-informed. First, like all "gun control" laws it is based on the flawed belief that criminals intent on breaking dozens of other laws will somehow be deterred by just one more "gun control" law. {snort}

This incident points out yet another flaw in the logic of an "assault weapons" ban. That is, the specific features, capabilities, and characteristics of an "assault weapon" really make no difference in this context. Every weapon is dangerous, even non traditional weapons are dangerous in the hands of the determined, clever, and resourceful evil: trucks, cars, fertilizer, knives... Any lib lurkers out there - is it sinking in yet? Are we breaking through your willful ignorance yet? It's not the weapon, not the means. It is the intent and evil behind the act. That's what we have to address. The means to commit murder wholesale will always exist.

63 posted on 05/20/2018 9:05:24 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Doing my part to help make America great again!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A bad person with a gun can do great harm. A few good teachers with guns can stop that harm before it becomes great carnage. In this scenario a few good people will die. What happened two days ago is two teachers died and nine students. If those two teachers were armed perhaps only one or two would have died.

The alternative is to have no weapons for anyone. This concept is insanity. When the populace is disarmed the real killing begins. It starts slowly and incrementally with just imprisonment. It ends in the Gulag of Russia or the mass killings of Mao under China.

When the government fears the people, freedom flourishes. When the people fear the government freedom dies.

In our great nation today we are on the cusp of freedom and tyranny. We really are. The iron clasp of tyranny is slow if political but tyranny all the same. Oddly the tyranny of foreign aggression is better. We know they are bad and either defeat them as in WWII are they defeat us. Internal political tyranny is the worst. We do not even know it is happening unless one is well versed.

Cicero said it much better than I could every explain, see below his quote from history:

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”


64 posted on 05/20/2018 9:27:31 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, roughneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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The suspect’s choice of weapon was triggered Liberalism.


65 posted on 05/21/2018 12:15:35 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Or rubber bands.

And sticks. They can be made into bows and arrows and make fires.


66 posted on 05/21/2018 1:24:13 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Trump continues to have all the right enemies.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Did you mention a knife attack? Here is what is possible with a knife:

Chinese authorities say two WOMEN were part of knife-wielding terror gang of 10 who left at least 33 dead and 143 wounded after attacking a train station in China.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570996/At-27-dead-109-injured-gang-knife-wielding-men-attack-train-station-China.html

67 posted on 05/21/2018 1:55:35 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Trump continues to have all the right enemies.)
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To: aomagrat

Texas tower shooter used a bolt action.


68 posted on 05/21/2018 2:17:23 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Someone did a study about 25 years ago that looked at the percentage of fatalities in mass shootings. Shotguns were by far the highest, with .223s down near the bottom.


69 posted on 05/21/2018 2:26:14 AM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: nobamanomore
Yep, I’m old enough that I can fight to the end, but young enough to make it a good fight.

What the tyrant class needs to worry about are those a little older than us. America's enemies on the left are very close to the line where normal people who still have deer-hunting skills but are too old for an actual fight will start solving the problem we have with big government gun grabbers.

70 posted on 05/21/2018 2:47:27 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: SecondAmendment

Way back at GA Southern in the ‘80s, I thought about adding a second major in Criminal Justice. I met with the head of the department, and he had a ‘Handgun Control Inc’ bumper sticker on his office door. I never went back.


71 posted on 05/21/2018 3:20:13 AM PDT by real saxophonist ( YouTube + Twitter + Facebook = YouTwitFace.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s no debate over “assault rifles” because they never existed in the first place it’s a made political term that in reality should be turned against liberals because AR’s are black so they must be racist.

Liberals want to ban all guns period. That’s their end game and anything else they say is pure BS.


72 posted on 05/21/2018 3:33:25 AM PDT by maddog55
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73 posted on 05/21/2018 6:49:26 AM PDT by PROCON (Man-made climate change is failed science based on fraudulent data = Climate Scientology)
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74 posted on 05/21/2018 8:39:16 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The kid it Texas showed them that you don’t need an “assault rifle” to kill a bunch of people. Does he think that the crazies won’t adapt when AR-15s aren’t available?


75 posted on 05/21/2018 9:12:41 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: mylife

Try a Russian M-44 Carbine. Wear ear protection!


76 posted on 05/21/2018 12:30:29 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: mylife

Well if that won’t fix Ones problem of being attacked I don’t know what would !


77 posted on 05/21/2018 12:31:46 PM PDT by mabarker1 (congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!)
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To: Trillian; BenLurkin

Yep, the general term for one is a Duckfoot Pistol, I think anything 3 or more Barrels (excluding Gatling Guns) falls into the category.

If all barrels managed to fire at the same time I’ll bet they do kick like hell. The problem is that rarely do All go off at the same time.


78 posted on 05/21/2018 12:42:23 PM PDT by mabarker1 (congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!)
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SGT Patrick Harper's nock gun ...


79 posted on 05/21/2018 12:51:13 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Come Hell or High Water - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQNUp9rgjNs&feature=youtu.be)
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To: mylife

What the lefties call “assault rifles” are simply basic light rifles. Actual assault rifles make up for (in certain circumstances) their light round with automatic fire.

And it’s this basic-ness which they try to confuse everyone on.


80 posted on 05/21/2018 1:30:56 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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