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New finds suggest Romans won big North Germany battle [ Maximinus Thrax ]
Monsters and Critics (Deutsche Presse-Agentur) ^ | Wednesday, September 15, 2010 | Jean-Baptiste Piggin

Posted on 09/15/2010 8:16:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Until only two years ago, northern Germany was believed to have been a no-go area for Roman troops after three legions were wiped out by German tribesmen in the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest in AD 9. The revelation that two centuries later a Roman force mounted a punitive raid deep inside the tribal areas in AD 235 has changed all that, suggesting that a soldier-emperor, Maximinus Thrax, seriously attempted to subjugate the north of Germany. The debris from the battle is scattered over a wooded hill, the Harzhorn.

An archeological dig there this summer turned up 1,800 artefacts. A single spot on the hill had been pounded by torsion catapults, one of the most advanced weapons in the Roman arsenal, and 70 bolts from these armour-piercing weapons were still lying in the ground. The catapults, mounted on wagons, had a range of up to 200 metres, said Michael Moosbauer, an archaeology professor at the Harzhorn site. The iron points weighed 200 grams apiece...

Among the techniques used by the archaeologists to sketch a map of the battle is tracking the studs that fell off Roman sandals as the troops climbed the Harzhorn on foot. They are believed to have overcome their opponents before continuing on their way. That belief is partly based on the absence from the soil of buckles, which were typically left behind on battlefields when victors ripped armour off slaughtered Roman legionaries... Among the finds is part of an ornate Roman scabbard, which can be dated from its style to the battle period, and the bones of a horse, which have been carbon-dated to about AD 235 too... Nine coins that have been found -- one minted in AD 228 -- also fit the date.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: germany; godsgravesglyphs; harzhorn; maximinusthrax; michaelmoosbauer; romanbaltic; romanempire; romangermany; rome; teutoburgforest
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To: Shamrock498
Maximinius Thrax

Sounds like somebody who's ass Captain James Tiberius Kirk once kicked ;^)

21 posted on 09/16/2010 6:49:16 PM PDT by The Cajun
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To: colorado tanker

I have to admit, that practice almost as much to recommend it as it does to, well, okay, maybe more than almost...

The first of the non-noble emperors was Vespasian, who was the first of the upwardly mobile army generals, and was final victor over a series of quickie emperors who tried to succeed Nero and each other during the “Year of Four Emperors”. Of course, there are some FReepers who look at that as the beginning of the end of the Roman Empire, which only went on for another 13 centuries or so (just not in Rome for the last thousand). ;’)


22 posted on 09/16/2010 8:03:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Last Dakotan

:’) It wasn’t a punitive raid for the Varian disaster. We’re lucky to have the amount of documentation that we do — most of the military and diplomatic correspondence was lost long, long ago, and there were no newspapers. What Thrax was responding to will probably never be known.


23 posted on 09/16/2010 8:06:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Snickering Hound

And the “Romans Out of Germany” chariot stickers.


24 posted on 09/16/2010 8:07:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Renderofveils

:’D


25 posted on 09/16/2010 8:07:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: fso301

If it was a punitive raid, it was for something else, the writing is a bit vague there.


26 posted on 09/16/2010 8:08:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Michael Zak

They had better things to do, such as chop each other up in attempts to seize power. Civil wars disrupted Roman politics more than barbarian invasions — until there were no more Roman politics per se, and the barbarians finally took over Italy. But every region had resources, and in the negative sense, pushing borders further into unknown territory was a common practice by the Romans. They used bribery and trade to bring neighboring tribes into the Roman economy bit by bit and build proxy states as buffers, then later would annex these Romanized areas, and find the next group of proxies had already begun the process of integration on their own.


27 posted on 09/16/2010 8:12:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Shamrock498
"I’ll Have to say that is probably the single coolest Roman name I’ve ever come across Maximinius Thrax."

His friends called him Max - Max Thrax.

28 posted on 09/16/2010 8:12:56 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: tlb

Well put.

The brothers Tiberius and Drusus were among the better generals in Roman history, Drusus alas died young.

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29 posted on 09/16/2010 8:15:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: FReepaholic

/rimshot!


30 posted on 09/16/2010 8:16:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: The Cajun

Probably a season three episode.


31 posted on 09/16/2010 8:17:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Shamrock498

Very much a Romanized non-Roman name. :’)


32 posted on 09/16/2010 8:17:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: agere_contra

:’D


33 posted on 09/16/2010 8:17:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Antoninus

Interesting.


34 posted on 09/16/2010 8:18:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Daffynition

To-ga! To-ga! To-ga! To-ga!


35 posted on 09/16/2010 8:33:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Shamrock498
Was Thrax an ancestor of Drax?


36 posted on 09/17/2010 9:10:11 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s right. Here’s the site for that find: http://www.roemerschlachtamharzhorn.de

Site says that the Romans used to clear up after battles (collecting missiles, swords etc. for re-use) and the fact that archeologists found so much means the Romans were in a haste. They speculate the Romans might have suspected more trouble brewing.


37 posted on 09/17/2010 11:26:28 AM PDT by avid (Please consider the environmental impact of not printing this posting!)
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To: avid

He probably had to hustle down to Rome to defend his claim, and of course, he didn’t make it. :’)


38 posted on 09/17/2010 6:35:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: sinanju

Good one , poor Augustus


39 posted on 09/18/2010 10:56:45 AM PDT by sonic109
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40 posted on 10/13/2013 8:26:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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