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Neanderthals In California? Maybe So, Provocative Study Says (Denisovians?)
Times Republican ^ | 4-27-2017 | MALCOLM RITTER

Posted on 04/27/2017 10:42:29 AM PDT by blam

NEW YORK — A startling new report asserts that the first known Americans arrived much, much earlier than scientists thought — more than 100,000 years ago __ and maybe they were Neanderthals. If true, the finding would far surpass the widely accepted date of about 15,000 years ago.

Researchers say a site in Southern California shows evidence of humanlike behavior from about 130,000 years ago, when bones and teeth of an elephantlike mastodon were evidently smashed with rocks.

The earlier date means the bone-smashers were not necessarily members of our own species, Homo sapiens. The researchers speculate that these early Californians could have instead been species known only from fossils in Europe, Africa and Asia: Neanderthals, a little-known group called Denisovans, or another human forerunner named Homo erectus.

“The very honest answer is, we don’t know,” said Steven Holen, lead author of the paper and director of the nonprofit Center for American Paleolithic Research in Hot Springs, South Dakota. No remains of any individuals were found.

Whoever they were, they could have arrived by land or sea. They might have come from Asia via the Beringea land bridge that used to connect Siberia to Alaska, or maybe come across by watercraft along the Beringea coast or across open water to North America, before turning southward to California, Holen said in a telephone interview.

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TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: calico; california; denesovians; denisovans; earlyhumans; godsgravesglyphs; homoerectus; mastodon; neanderthals; paleolithic; preclovis; science
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Posted to FR back in 2001:

Calico: A 200,000 Year Old Site In The Americas?

1 posted on 04/27/2017 10:42:29 AM PDT by blam
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Who Were The Si-Te-Cah?
2 posted on 04/27/2017 10:45:22 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Thanks for the links blam, I remember reading those articles here on FR years ago. Fascinating stuff!


3 posted on 04/27/2017 10:49:13 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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Bookmark


4 posted on 04/27/2017 10:51:05 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: blam
Neanderthals In California? Really, is there any doubt?

:-)

5 posted on 04/27/2017 10:51:27 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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There’s legends about the some tribes pass down about killing groups of red haired white people. Fits the description of Neanderthals.


6 posted on 04/27/2017 10:51:34 AM PDT by RedWulf
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To: blam
Some of them are still there.



7 posted on 04/27/2017 10:53:14 AM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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8 posted on 04/27/2017 10:55:14 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Those are my principles, and if you do not like them...well I have others. - Groucho Marx)
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"There’s legends about the some tribes pass down about killing groups of red haired white people. Fits the description of Neanderthals."

That's what post #2 is about.

9 posted on 04/27/2017 10:59:03 AM PDT by blam
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Encino Man

https://youtu.be/1xkTN1Z1rTQ

10 posted on 04/27/2017 11:11:55 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: blam

Another interesting thing is that I recall reading years ago, that there were tales of very tall (6’6” or so) red headed people wearing deerskins and carrying bows and arrows, in Siberia as late as WWII.


11 posted on 04/27/2017 12:06:46 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: Bratch

Yo! There’s no need for that! Some of us are looking forward to dinner soon.


12 posted on 04/27/2017 12:21:08 PM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Bratch

Wow! A Mastodon toe!


13 posted on 04/27/2017 12:25:29 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: blam
I haven't seen a post from you in some time...

When the opportunity presents (especially with a know it all lib), I put my own theory of development & migration to stir it up.

Just a simple question, "who has slanted eyes"?, then the follow up "why"?

14 posted on 04/27/2017 12:27:09 PM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: blam

Funny I can’t recall what I had for breakfast yesterday but remember that thread? Grew up in Barstow about 12 miles from Calico.


15 posted on 04/27/2017 1:35:02 PM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialists is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: blam

I think I read even the Shawnee in the east have a similar legend.


16 posted on 04/27/2017 1:49:19 PM PDT by Reily
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Say what! Humans in America ‘115,000 years earlier than thought’
Agence France-Presse
April 26, 2017 · 4:45 PM EDT
https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-04-26/say-what-humans-america-115000-years-earlier-thought

Archaeology shocker: Study claims humans reached the Americas 130,000 years ago
By Sarah Kaplan
April 26, 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/04/26/archaeology-shocker-study-claims-humans-reached-the-americas-130000-years-ago/

Ancient Bones Spark Fresh Debate over First Humans in the Americas
By Kate Wong on April 26, 2017
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ancient-bones-spark-fresh-debate-over-first-humans-in-the-americas/


17 posted on 06/26/2018 4:26:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
Note: this topic is from 4/27/2017. Thanks blam.

18 posted on 06/26/2018 2:27:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: blam
Recently watched a BBC Two documentary series regarding our Neanderthal DNA. It was called "Neanderthals - Meet Your Ancestors." It was an excellent program, and perhaps it will show up on PBS or one of the other channels who periodically air British programming.

Also on the same subject:

You could be more 'Neanderthal' than you thought: Modern Europeans have TWICE as much DNA from ancient cousins than first believed

19 posted on 06/26/2018 2:35:36 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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I d/led my raw file from Ancestry and uploaded it to an independent archaic DNA research project, came up with some other surprises as well.

As more individual Neandertal remains give up their DNA secrets, we’ll find there’s less and less difference.


20 posted on 06/26/2018 3:02:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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