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Cave girl was half Neanderthal, half Denisovan
bbc ^ | 08/22/2018 | Helen Briggs

Posted on 08/22/2018 1:34:01 PM PDT by BenLurkin

DNA extracted from bone fragments found in the cave show the girl was the offspring of a Neanderthal mother and a Denisovan father.

The discovery, reported in Nature, gives a rare insight into the lives of our closest ancient human relatives. Neanderthals and Denisovans were humans like us, but belonged to different species.

"We knew from previous studies that Neanderthals and Denisovans must have occasionally had children together," says Viviane Slon, researcher at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology (MPI-EVA) in Leipzig, Germany.

"But I never thought we would be so lucky as to find an actual offspring of the two groups."

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: denisovan; denisovans; godsgravesglyphs; half; helixmakemineadouble; human; humanity; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
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To: BenLurkin

Miscegenation.

If those Neanderthal fathers keep letting their daughters hook up with Denisovans, the whole Neanderthal race is going to die out.

Mark my words - this isn’t going to end well for the Neanderthals.


21 posted on 08/22/2018 1:51:26 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: BenLurkin

Geez, this is all in “The Clan of the Cave Bear” book series. Everyone knows this.


22 posted on 08/22/2018 1:53:36 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Buckeye McFrog

So this is why Senator Elizabeth Warren does not want to take a DNA Test?


23 posted on 08/22/2018 1:55:31 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: BenLurkin

But she was a Democrat from the day she died.


24 posted on 08/22/2018 1:57:00 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: BenLurkin

If they bred and had fertile offspring, then, by definition, they were not separate species.


25 posted on 08/22/2018 2:01:32 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: BenLurkin

Not a whole lot of evidence for Denisovans, but it’s there (a small finger bone and three teeth):

So far, the fossils of four distinct Denisovans from Denisova Cave have been identified through their DNA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denisovan#Fossils


26 posted on 08/22/2018 2:08:29 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Many crossbred offspring are not sterile, often including female mules.


27 posted on 08/22/2018 2:08:43 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: BenLurkin
They sure have reached a lot of conclusions with just 20 total DNA samples from Neanderthal and Denisovan humans.

Since this new sample was taken from a bone fragment discovered by a Russian archaeologist, I am even more skeptical.

Russian scientists do not have a great reputation for keeping samples uncontaminated.

Example - the Russian Antarctica deep well into a pristine lake thousands of feet under the ice.

American and European scientists take years to drill such wells. The Russians drilled their well in less than a month, and their job site was completely filthy.

28 posted on 08/22/2018 2:11:15 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: exDemMom
If they bred and had fertile offspring, then, by definition, they were not separate species.

Same Genus, different Species. Example. Lions and Tigers breed together. Produce fertile litter. Litter breeds with another Lion or Tiger. Produces a Litigon.

29 posted on 08/22/2018 2:13:54 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: BenLurkin

I supposed moochele jokes are out, right?


30 posted on 08/22/2018 2:16:59 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (As always IMHO)
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To: BenLurkin

I do not buy this. How many definitions are there for “human”?


31 posted on 08/22/2018 2:20:39 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: BenLurkin

32 posted on 08/22/2018 2:25:04 PM PDT by seawolf101 (Member LES DEPLORABLES)
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To: BenLurkin

Jean Auel got it right in Clan of Cave Bear.


33 posted on 08/22/2018 2:25:56 PM PDT by grania (President Trump, stop believing the Masters of War!)
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To: Theoria
Same Genus, different Species. Example. Lions and Tigers breed together. Produce fertile litter. Litter breeds with another Lion or Tiger. Produces a Litigon.

And if it breeds with an alligator it produces a Litigator.


34 posted on 08/22/2018 2:29:08 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: zeestephen

bttt


35 posted on 08/22/2018 2:44:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: DesertRhino

“oh great, he brought home a Neanderthal”


36 posted on 08/22/2018 2:46:58 PM PDT by job
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To: exDemMom

“If they bred and had fertile offspring, then, by definition, they were not separate species.”

Having fertile offspring is a major characteristic of a distinct species, but not the only factor.

Cattle and buffalo breed well, and are different species

Dogs and coyotes breed well with fertile offsprint

False killer whale and bottle-nose dolphins

Domestic cats and lots of different kinds of wild cats breed

Grizzly bears and polar bears have viable offspring

Etc.


37 posted on 08/22/2018 3:00:25 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: DesertRhino

Or a Neanderthal gal.


38 posted on 08/22/2018 3:15:33 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Some species can mix without sterile results.


39 posted on 08/22/2018 3:16:21 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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40 posted on 08/22/2018 3:20:19 PM PDT by csvset (illegitimi non carborundum)
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