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Apollo 11 Moon Landing & Communion on the Moon
American Minute ^ | July 20, 2020 | Bill Federer

Posted on 08/02/2020 2:40:41 PM PDT by Perseverando

"One small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind," stated Astronaut Neil Armstrong, JULY 20, 1969, as he became the f irst man to walk on the moon, almost 238,900 miles away from the Earth.

The second man on the moon was Colonel Buzz Aldrin, who described it as "magnificent desolation."

Aldrin earned a Ph.D. from M.I.T. and helped develop the technology necessary for the mission, especially the complicated lunar module rendezvous with the command module.

Buzz Aldrin's popularity was the inspiration for the character "Buzz Lightyear" in Pixar's animated movie Toy Story (1995).

Buzz Aldrin shared a story, "An Astronaut Tells of a little-known but Significant Event on the Moon," printed in Guideposts Magazine, October 1970), and in his book, Return to Earth, published by Random House, 1973.

Before the two astronauts stepped out of the Lunar Module onto the moon's surface, there was a planned time of rest.

Buzz Aldrin asked for radio silence because NASA was fighting a lawsuit brought by an intolerant atheist, Madalyn Murray O'Hair.

She objected to the previous Apollo 8 crew reading the first chapter of the Book of Genesis in their Christmas radio transmission in 1968.

During the radio silence, Aldrin then privately partook of communion, stating:

"For several weeks prior to the scheduled lift-off of Apollo 11 back in July, 1969, the pastor of our church, Dean Woodruff, and I had been struggling to find the right symbol for the first lunar landing.

We wanted to express our feeling that what man was doing in this mission transcended electronics and computers and rockets ...

(Excerpt) Read more at myemail.constantcontact.com ...


TOPICS: AMERICA - The Right Way!!; Astronomy; History; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; americanminute; apollo; apollo11; astronomy; science; space; spaceexploration
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To: rx

Ha,ha,ha. Faulty reading comprehension... Applied Mechanics, I’m in tears here, lol. I didn’t think we allowed DU trolls on here, lol. So your presumption is the moon landings didn’t take place at all, and that makes you an Einstein. Yeah, I get it, lol. I worked for Industry and the Miltary, lol. Yes, I do presume a manual was made after a maunufactured piece of equipment. You’re right, that doen’t mean it was used on later trips. It was deployed though. You’re just another liberal troll of the times trying to rewrite history, woke, lol. See comment 20 for what defines a champion on FR.


21 posted on 08/06/2020 8:53:32 PM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: chimera; OftheOhio; generally
OfTheOhio, I don't think you'll find any DU trolls or traitors to the US that have contributed a $1000 or more to FreeRepublic, as I have. I suggest you choose your insults more carefully, and only with proof, if you should have any.

Chimera, with your confirmation of thinness of the various materials, it's plain enough to see that the LEM was inadequately shielded to protect any occupants against the solar flare radiation that was known to have occurred during the time of Apollo 11, for example. To say that neither their suits nor the LEM was sufficiently shielded is a deadly understatement.

The Orion design uses the equivalent of 6' of lead shielding and NASA scientists are convinced they need to perform significant testing and measurement before they'd be confident enough to put humans into it for Van Allen Belt (VAB) transits! If NASA scientists had the actual experience of a metal beverage-can thicknesses of aluminum, mylar, titanium or aluminized kapton blanket material that successfully got 14 astronauts safely traversing the VABs, we could be assured the equivalent of 6' of lead on the Orion would surely "do the trick," as well... but no one has such actual assurance.

As another matter, the lunar PLSS suits' materials and battery power were inadequate to heat and cool for the surface temperature differentials (-140F to 250F) for the full length of their extra-vehicular activities (EVAs). (Yet never once was there any mention--let alone complaint--of their suits' abilities to heat-then-cool-then-heat, corresponding to the counterpoint of shadows and sunshine, or that the astronauts themselves ever felt the least bit uncomfortable, cold or hot, throughout their claimed EVAs.)

Don't forget! This had never been attempted before and inherently could not have been fully tested in an Earth-based mock-up! Yet they risked two people's lives at a distance of 238k miles, with no second chances or rescue team? There is some evidence President Nixon wasn't willing to let that happen on live television, despite his earnest desire for a space technological coup over the Soviets.

A technical writer that worked at Rocketdyne and who claimed he had inside knowledge of the government's intent to fake the Moon landings, wrote in his book about it, "having seen hundreds of rocket firings when I was employed by Rocketdyne, I know the jet of the lunar lander would have created an enormous crater." Most of the Apollo photos show little or no discernible blast crater or clearing under the Lander that would have been created on final descent.

The same writer also said the 10,000lb thrust rocket engine would have created a deafening 140db roar. That would have been damped in the vacuum of space, of course, but because the astronauts were ostensibly mechanically attached to the vibrations from that engine, dampened only by seat cushions and suits, there should have been at least 70-100db noise for an astronaut's to overcome inside their air-filled helmets while using their microphones to speak to mission control on final descent. The recordings, however, exhibit no discernible engine noise whatsoever.

Although dust should have been blown "six ways from Sunday and would have landed dust everywhere," we see very clear official photos of landing pod feet that are pristine, show not a speck of dust at all.

The regolith beneath Apollo 11's engine exhaust doesn't even show evidence of any disturbance, let alone having 10,000lb of rocket engine-sourced thrust directed at it mere hours before:

The wholly inadequate craftsmanship (post #15 at right) of the LEM, however, bespeaks nothing but affirmation of the hoax. With roughly $250+B (today's dollars) for NASA budgets in the 1960s, and in context of the other aspects of hoax, this would be worthy only of OftheOhio's preliminary mock-ups, not something able to withstand the rigors of space travel to the moon. (Consider the inferior craftsmanship at the apex, ostensibly from the lunar surface, photo, AS11-40-5924:)

Chimera, I believe you're incorrect to suggest Gemini 10, with its maximum altitude of 412.4 miles did anything more than expose Young and Collins to some lesser effects of radiation, even via the VAB thinner South Atlantic Anomaly (SAA), or at least that it's a fair comparison to the rest of the VABs that Apollo flights would have had to transit. The Van Allen Belts are understood to exist between about 1000 to 25,000 miles above the earth (momentarily ignoring the SAA 120mi dip):

Your characterization of Van Allen Belt transit being "quite brief" is mistaken as well. It would have taken the largest part of an hour to get through the VABs even at the fastest speed any Apollo craft is known to have traveled.

In a famous, supposedly embarrassing interview of Apollo 12 Astronaut Alan Bean, he sounds very honest as he says he's not sure they went out far enough to encounter the VABs. All Apollo astronauts that would have spent most of an hour in the VABs (each way) and more than a day unshielded from solar radiation in lunar transit and at the moon would certainly have suffered radiation poisoning if they had not died thereof. (There is no area within the Lunar Module that could have effectively shielded astronauts from solar radiation.) That no astronaut suffered any ill effects from radiation is a 50' red flag, recognizable by most thoughtful people. Frankly, it's almost certain all of them would have died had they actually attempted to go to the moon. But as Alan Bean implicitly indicated, neither he nor any of the other astronauts--nor Apollo 13 The Movie's Tom "Rockefeller" Hanks--actually went beyond Low Earth Orbit.

Hoax confirmed (video).

None of that is to say that moon landings aren't real. They are. Man has been to the moon and goes there regularly. These travels have not been under the Apollo or NASA projects (generally), however.

I believe PDJT has been moving the authority for these moon traversals under the new military branch of Space Force. I believe he is assuring--just as he's done to move Federal Reserve activities to the US Treasury Department, that what previously has been heavily influenced by (partly to keep it secret if not to themselves) the Deep State should redound to the benefit Of the People, By the People and For the People.

Nothing can stop what is coming in this category. It will be biblical. And the Space Force is only part of it!

22 posted on 08/07/2020 3:14:35 PM PDT by rx (Truth will out!)
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To: rx
The VAB hoaxer issue has been debunked ad infinitum, as it is well-known that the most intense VAB zone (the inner belt) was avoided by trajectory planning. The less-intense outer belt was not a significant safety issue as total exposure time in that region was about six hours (going out and coming back combined). The VAB zones are primarily protons (inner belt) and electrons (outer belt). The electrons can produce build-up effects so the CM (where the crew was during VAB transit) had lighter-weight graded shielding which is effective against electrons while avoiding significant build-up. It is a common mistake among first-year engineering students to assume that lead is the only effective shield for all types of radiation. It works well where the interactions are primarily with the Coulomb potential, but is less effective where secondary effects (e.g., bremsstrahlung) become significant.
23 posted on 08/07/2020 5:24:26 PM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera; OftheOhio; generally; LucyT
The "LM's cabin pressure vessel varied thickness" would in no way have protected crews from VAB radiation or solar flares or gamma radiation in space, even during what you might envision as a skillfully-timed, optimal-trajectory, brief transit. Ask a Russian space scientist why the Soviets or Russia never chose to risk VAB transit. Their belief consensus is that there's no publicly-known, adequate way to shield humans in transit.

What you may think you may know about the VAB data are not trustworthy. The data have been cooked and seeded with disinformation to keep people like us from questioning the claims about the Apollo missions. Clever try with the first-year engineering student insult. I also never said or assumed lead was the only effective shielding.

The "VAB hoaxer issue" as you call it, has not seen one living creature transit the VABs under a NASA or foreign coutry's space administration since 1972, thus, essentially for the last 50 years. Why is that? If we were to for a moment set aside NASA's Apollo mission astronauts, zero living creatures have transited the VABs in a NASA, Russian, Chinese or Japanese program in the history of the world! So it has not been debunked. Somehow, it was only doable prior to handing it over as a Muslim outreach, for that little window of time, when the mock-up set was available for photo shoots and filming.

NASA speaks of its Orion project as if they're years away from being able to send up a human in that. Why would that be after 30 grand Apollo successes?

Time fails, but another manifestation of the hoax a priori was the Apollo I episode of the all-too-openly-doubting Gus Grissom, Roger Chaffe and Ed White.

But we can consider one aspect that reliably exposes that Apollo was an absolute hoax. For that we can go to the astronauts' Portable Life Support Systems (PLSS), their space suits and attached backpack. Their design uses a pretty predictable, Earth-style air conditioning system. In the vacuum of space, however, there is no venting and recapturing of any heated-then-cooled liquid. There is no appreciable amount of cooler atmosphere or liquid available to radiate to and dissipate the heat buildup within the PLSS. The moon's atmosphere's moisture content is roughly comparable to Earth's at 190K'. Standing in 200-250F sunlight would make the astronauts pass out in a few minutes and see their blood boil in ten-fifteen minutes, killing them, of course. "Steam vent[ing]" as the PLSS manual depicts (attached picture) doesn't recapture cooler liquid in any return.

And by the way, there's no such thing as a negatively-charged particle, a so-called electron, as attested to by Nikola Tesla, James Clerk Maxwell, Oliver Heaviside, and C.P. Steinmetz. Einstein was a fraud (video), as Tesla maintained throughout his life. The particle physics fraud perpetrated on university physics departments gave the government the confidence that they could corrupt science departments as well with their alarmist Global Warming nonsense and then every other department with speech codes and Marxism.

University-based corruption has eviscerated the best minds from doing principled work. Bright, particularly conservative professors have long seen what they must do to keep their jobs and pensions if they wanted to sacrifice their integrities for them. PDJT sees this and backed out of the Paris Accord as a first step of reclaiming the universities. (PDJT's Uncle John Trump, an MIT professor, was charged with collecting and scouring Tesla's reportedly 47 trunks of papers and materials, much of which has never seen the light of public scrutiny.)

24 posted on 08/11/2020 1:55:34 PM PDT by rx (Truth will out!)
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To: rx
The Soviet program had several VAB transits including terrestrial lifeforms on the Zond 5 mission in Sept. of 1968. These included turtles, plants, and fruit fly eggs. The turtles experienced biological effects but it was determined that these resulted from diet deficiency and not the effect of spaceflight. The Soyuz 7K-L1 spacecraft and the Proton-K booster were in the process of being man-rated when the success of the manned Apollo 8 mission undercut political support for continuing the circumlunar efforts.

You said something about "equivalent" lead shielding and my point was that you don't necessarily need that depending on what you are shielding against. The VAB transit was of less concern than solar flares. For the solar flare issue, the big concern was coronal mass ejection. Particles from a CME event take some time to arrive, so the plan was to get the crew back into the CM, where the construction allowed for more shielding (about a 90% attenuation factor), and head for home to deal with any effects from acute radiation syndrome.

The picture you show is not the final version of the PLSS developed for Apollo by Hamilton Standard Division. You are showing an early design that was more applicable to Mercury and Gemini missions wherein the heat load was considerably less. HSD developed the final version of the lunar surface PLSS and required three new inventions. These were the liquid cooling garment, the multiple water connector, and, most importantly, the porous plate sublimator. You clearly do not understand how heat rejection works in an environment where convective cooling is unavailable. The porous sublimator plate takes advantage of the heat rejection that occurs with a phase change. That obviates the needed for a "cooler atmosphere or liquid" to effect heat rejection. HSD engineer John Lovell is credited with the idea of using the latent heat of vaporization in the heat rejection circuit of the PLSS. The design had a peak metabolic rate capacity of 2000 BTU/hr. The sublimated liquid is considered a consumable and that is why the PLSS has a specified use lifetime between recharges, which are done from the LM reserves following the EVAs. You also demonstrate a lack of understanding of the real problem with portable life support on the lunar surface. It is NOT heating from "sunlight". The insulation in the EVA suit was more than adequate protection for that, since the only effective heat transfer process on the surface is radiative heat transfer, which is quite inefficient compared to convection or conduction. The primary problem is internally-generated (metabolic) heat, and thus the need for the cooling garment and evaporative heat transfer.

No such thing as an electron, eh? OK, that does it, I'm done.

25 posted on 08/11/2020 4:16:32 PM PDT by chimera
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To: rx; null and void; acapesket; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; bitt; Black Agnes; blueyon; ...

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PING

Check out # 24.

Thanks, rx.


26 posted on 08/11/2020 5:45:44 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: chimera; Jim Robinson

Thank you for your effort. This has beeen like trying to help the cop wrestle the special needs kid at the local library. Retard strong, lol. Look out now, 17 letter air support has been called in. All I had to say was conspiracy, does that make me a genius, lol. You woudn’t think help would be needed if one was truly an expert in METs, the Van Allen belt, shielding, radiation, decibel levels, cooling systems, heat transfer, craftsmanship, and particle physics. I feel so bad, I only worked on four of those in my career, lol. I’m betting Jim will get a chuckle out of all of this, I did.


27 posted on 08/12/2020 6:06:27 PM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: rx

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_46.htm

Here’s some great conspiracy theories that just might be the real deal according to Michael Sala....
JUst sayin’,its all a conspiracy ...until its not.


28 posted on 08/12/2020 6:10:11 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic home of free because of the Brave)
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To: rx

A TR3B will take you to the moon for lunch on the dark side and be back for dinner in the US.
Of course I’m a conspiracy theorist,....(and proud of it)


29 posted on 08/12/2020 6:12:57 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic home of free because of the Brave)
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To: Perseverando

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30 posted on 08/12/2020 6:24:20 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic home of free because of the Brave)
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To: chimera; rodguy911; generally; LucyT; OftheOhio
The PLSS document you tendentiously complained about being "not the final version" as if it were an early, outdated document, has on its page 26 a color image of Apollo 9, which flew in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) in March of 1969. On that page and others, images and various descriptions of Apollo 11 through 14 are included, all using descriptions in the past tense. It should be safe to say the document would not be out of date for anything through Apollo 14. Three new inventions in that post-1971 PLSS document and a supposed miraculous answer found in "phase change"? That's ridiculous! That's HSD/NASA's simply patching up a hole in their story, after the fact. It's clear your attempted debunking of the document as an early version of the technology is nonsense, but you showed your willness to hastily pen an untruth--now proven, apparently to garner "debate points."

Do you really believe NASA would undertake the Apollo missions before having these newly claimed inventions well tested? You really believe tens of billions of dollars would have been risked if three new inventions post an early design of the PLSS somehow hadn't come through? Ridiculous. You're quite gullible to swallow these after-the-fact explanations from known, repeated, professional liars. We know the International Space Station (ISS) doesn't use this magnificent technology you're talking about, where they clearly would if they could. Please tell us why they don't. (Psst. It doesn't exist.) And furthermore, many aspects of the ISS also have shown the fraud of that LEO episode. Many of their videos have been shown to staged on an earth-based studio, even to include a fly sitting on the outside of an ISS window (video, ~6:40). With NASA, there's Never A Straigt Answer and you're simply repeating the propaganda. Once they saw the magnitude of the hoaxes that could be pulled off with Apollo, they've never let up! The same applies to AE and Barry Nobel Prizes.

Go above to look at the second image in my post #22 and the totally undisturbed fake moon dust around the white bag, below the 10,000lb-thrust engine that hours before supposedly landed on the surface. Not a pebble or gram of simulated regolith is out of place where there necessarily would have been a crater of several feet depth! There also must have been major, major landscape scarring in one direction from the LM as its slowed to a stop. One sees that in exacly zero Apollo mission photo magazines.

Regarding your high-horse attempt to slam my intellect, training and integrity and drop the mic on the basis of my disownership of a particle called an election, please accept a not-quite-so insulting rejoinder:

It's a maxim in university hallways and among everyday society today that Albert Einstein (AE) is an uncontestable genius. But the AE faction of mathematicians, physicists and electrical theoreticians, whose world of particle physics and the tangled web it has become is largely cloaked from what it actually is: an illuminati/Deep State-instigated sham religion, cultivated over a hundred twenty ago. Modern adherence to it--of which you seem to be a modestly shining example, owing to your references to quantum particles--flies in the faces of the only legitimate faction of great electro-magnetic thinkers such as Tesla, Steinmetz, Heaviside, and Maxwell (the geniuses of (modern) electrical theory, GET), who all denied the notion of a charge-carrying particle, that is, your faction's electron. I'm content to side with GET and not be demeaned by your not wishing to correspond with anyone who thinks otherwise. You can hardly help it, as I'm sure that's the nature of the cancel-culture intellectual group with whom you are pleased to associate.

Generations of physicists have languished under the presumed leadership of people like AE and Richard Feynman (EFn crew), who, in denying the ether, are reduced to saying that matter's particles move in waves or in a massive trains of centillions of electrons through wires from Point A to Point B. Being more a devotee to mathematics than physics, it was always AE's predisposition to count discrete particles (as in: "beans") rather than deal with qualitative aspects of Field Theory. Advanced Field Theory was thought to have been well-described, yet unpublished by Tesla. The Deep State-controlled US Government admitted absconding with some 47 trunks of papers and materials said to have been left behind by Tesla after his death.

AE hired Steinmetz to edit his papers, at least some of which were said to have been written by AE's wife. Steinmetz regularly joked with his friends because those papers were so rife with errors that they should have made clear to the world how far off base AE was if Steinmetz had not fixed the errors in his equations so others could not easily find any fault with them.

There are no dualities in nature, yet AE's whopper of an asserted a wave/particle duality called Quantum Entanglement has always been an absurdity ripe for an Occam's Razor take-down and stomp. The only entanglement has been a conundrum of contradiction that no prominent modern academic has been able--or dared--to counter (perhaps it should read "while retaining his academic position and paycheck"). Waves are neither particles nor alternating twins with particles. A wave is the result of what something does and not what something is. Something that causes a wave does not implicitly give of its material essence as waves emanate from it any more than a person standing in a chest-high pool of water turning with outstretched arms gives of his material essence as waves emanate from him. He merely excites the waves with a forcing function. Conversely, on a receiving end, a camera does not at any point in time become weighed down with photon particles after taking a bazillion pictures. There are no instructions to, at regular intervals, shake out of a digital camera all those particles that have been collected onto its charge-coupled device (CCD).

On an even more massive scale than a bazillion 24MB photo captures, if the four large generators at the Hoover Dam had spun off generated electron particles for these past 85 years to millions of Las Vegas and California homes and businesses--according to AE's Particle Physics--the weight of those behemoth copper windings would by now have been dramatically depleted and in need of being replaced. But that's just not so. Those windings don't weigh a gram less than they ever did. Thank you, Nikola Tesla, their inventor, who knew what he was doing and ignored the misleading teachings of AE and his adherents' bag of magical unicorn particle pixie dust!

AE's claim about the existence of curved space its effect on matter is also pure nonsense, emanating from misunderstandings about the qualitative aspects of magnetism, space and counter-space. As always, garbage in, garbage out.

Simply put, AE has always been a fraud and a cartoon character. 90% of what AE was famous for was stolen, mostly from Heni Poincaré (HP); A brief timeline of significant events in AE's life follows:

1700 Newton predicts the deflection of light around the sun. AE plagiarized this in his 1911 prediction, without citing Newton.

1878 James Clerk Maxwell in Scotland publishes Special Theory of Relativity in Encyclopedia Britannica which AE publishes as his own in 1905 without citing Maxwell.

1887 A Michelson-Morley experiment suggests there is no ether, an observation "coincidentally" also made by AE in his 1905 papers, with no citations of Michelson or Morley. Many have been wrong about the ether. Ether is a cruicial element the Zionist/illuminati have been trying to hide from us. All books predating the 1930's include aether as the fifth element. Aether has been stricken from all contemporary school textbooks.

1895 at the age of 16, AE fails a simple entrance exam to the University of Zurich.

1896 AE became a Gymnasium drop-out, has his German citizenship revoked; he enrolls in the Swiss Polytechnic School in Zurich.

1898 in France, Poincaré pens his own paper on the history of and principles that fit the description of what would later be called a theory of relativity without mentioning the 19 year-old AE (Imagine the slight!).

1898 Paul Gerber in Germany published the exact equations in Annalen der Physik which AE would publish 17 yrs later in 1915 as his "perihelion motion of Mercury," absent any citations of Gerber. AE later claimed he was "in the dark," but confessed under pressure to his crime in 1920.

1900 Max Planck and Wilhelm Wien of Germany develop the quantum theory which AE plagiarized as his "Das Lichtquant" ("Light Quantum", (photon)) paper in 1905, citing neither Planck nor Wien.

1905 AE plagiarized HP's 1898 paper, claiming it as AE's, never citing HP. A contemporaneous quote from AE comes out, "The secret is hiding one's sources."

1903 Olinto de Pretto publishes E=mc^2 in Atte, a scientific magazine known to be read by AE, which he later claimed as his own work and in which he failed to cite de Pretto.

1905 AE published 4 "groundbreaking" essays in the field of theoretical physics and quantum mechanics (QM) in Annalen der Physik, gaining him a Ph.D. from the University of Zurich and worldwide support from Rothschild Zionists. Rumor has it his wife did all the math.

1915 AE presents his paper and publishes the General Theory of Relativity based on the mathematics of Marcel Grossmann and Bernhard Riemann and principles from HP's work; he cites none of them.

1919 Rothschild Zionists use the London Times to begin the disinformation campaign that herald AE as "a genius."

AE was sexual deviant of the rankest order, a hater, a bigot and a Nazi--facts his family and his disinformation campaigners have long sought to rehabilitate. Tesla, by contrast, was a gentle soul that fed pigeons in the park before going home by walking around a block, 3, 6 or 9 times. Quite literally, the only evidence that Nikola Tesla ever got riled owed to what AE's ideas were doing to Electrical Theory and Physics. Tesla repeatedly referred to AE as a "fuzzy-haired crackpot."

I suspect you didn't watch the embedded video in my previous post or you might not have so easily attacked me for talking about the nonexistence of an electron particle. It is not I that you implicitly insult with your slam, but the last great GET that have yet to be significantly improved upon in the last 80 years or so. It's not my idea, but the collective thought of the GET, though seemingly overcome by the EFn crew and their Deep State/illuminati funders and media cheerleaders. I guess for you, I could try to say that I'm merely a messenger. Don't blame me! Furthermore, I may be what I have eaten, but I am not what I intellectually believe. When more people come to understand the truth, the world is a better place for it, as I see it, whether you or I might have to change our thinking and/or beliefs to accommodate such truth. The more people that support the truth, the more likely truth can win and be accomplished with less "heavy lifting." The more people that fish or cut bait using cancel culture criteria and lack of empathy, the worse off society is, in my opinion.

The 1920 Nobel Prize for Physics went unawarded because the Nobel committee deemed no one had done work deserving of it. The next year, without any new AE work in his nomination package, the award was given to AE for the photoelectric effect. Though his described observations were only as accurate as they were for others before him who also wrote about it, AE nonetheless came to false interpretations and conclusions about that effect. A description is not an explanation, people should realize.

AE and QM are at total loss to explain properly two big failings of QM, instantaneous action at a distance and light. Yet, a proper explanation of both allow for space travel and transit through radiation as nothing else.

The world's most famous equation, E=mc^2 is not right. The so-called "speed of light" is not an immutable constant as AE claimed nor does energy vary correlating to its changed "speed." Partly analogous to sound, light's rate of induction varies dependent upon the medium through which it is passing. When light passes through glass after passing through our atmosphere, it slows down, but then as it passes through to the atmosphere again, its rate goes back to the previous rate. AE's view of photon particles violates the Law of the Conservation of Energy and therefore can't be right.

AE could not accept the concept of the ether and his relativity theory mistakenly attempted to assign primary attributes to the emptiness of space. His legacy of the introduction of particle physics has virtually stopped the advance of physics, despite its apparent growth through all manner of newly found particles, muons, leptons, photons, quarks, and the ultimate "God Particle," Higgs Boson. That no university's geniuses are able or allowed to overcome AE's cult following tenets while keeping their jobs accounts in large measure for this. By such definition, this post is an aggrieved heresy. I care not about that. Outside the neutron and proton, none of QM's pixie dust particles exist beyond being conceptual and all fly in the face of common sense and Occam's Razor. At its foundation, particle physics is comprised of misunderstandings about magnetism and dielectricity (M&D). Particle physics/QM has not overcome the problem of NASA's search for safe, fast travel through space beyond the protection of the VABs, yet a proper understanding of M&D can and has allowed for these things.

Although critique of AE was mentioned among those GET geniuses above, AE's personality cult's adoration rode roughshod over arcane scholarly critique that was understood by relatively few. That AE's explanation about his Nobel Prize-winning the was later deemed rife with incorrect interpretations, but his personality cult still strode forth with his supposed personification of genius. AE's being awarded the Nobel Prize was on an irrational, political par with Barack Obama's being awarded Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, however similar they were as to the illuminati quarters that promoted them both.

AE didn't invent anything, but Tesla did. He essentially invented nearly 100% of the important aspects of the modern electrical world. If Tesla had not invented the AC generator (bought by Westinghouse Corp. in 1888), it is extremely doubtful any follower of AE's cult could have come up with it and much of society would even now seem to be stuck in the early 1900's. Edison's direct current hardware would still rule the day, and long-distance power lines would be non-existent. It would truly be a different world, as if we would be transported back to the 1887 Atlanta World's Fair, if we had not been able to benefit from Tesla's genius. And yet, much of Tesla's papers and inventions have yet to be made public.

What the world of physics calls an electron is not a (charged) particle at all, but a phenomenon of ether wave perturbation. But of course, a central tenet of AE's bean-counting work was to deny the ether. Entirely contrary to particle physics, the sun does not stream out particles of matter (e.g., photons or gamma rays) to damage living tissue, out of whose way we might wish to get, or from which we would wish to be sufficiently shielded. QM doesn't comprehend and won't likely ever be able to understand, based as it is on several faulty concepts. Even if it might be able to make accurate observations about solar phenomena, it does not follow that it will necessarily be able to explain and account for those phenomena properly. It's a small wonder AE's Cult of Bumping Particles and reactive explosions is able to lift rockets, tools and humans into LEO, but there is nothing for them to do to go farther or faster than to light greater quantities of rocket fuel-explosives beneath it.

Dr. Wernher Von Braun knew that to build a rocket to bring men to the moon and back would be physically infeasible using the technology available in the 1960s. Saturn Five rocket boosters were only feasible to lift an Apollo craft into Low Earth Orbit and were not sufficient, even if a Lunar Module (LM) were of "beverage can" thickness. Such a beverage-can thickness LM in this context is simply and wholly inadequate to shield from the known radiation challenges along the way. Von Braun, America's foremost rocket scientist, who was thoroughly familiar with American rocket technology in the 1960s, said with slide rule in hand, that only if a spacecraft could be refueled (video) while in orbit above the earth, could it then make a circuit to the moon and back. If you think this 1960s video is merely outdated, as your conjecture about the PLSS document, wouldn't it be again, "oh, so coincidental" that a way had be discovered to obviate Von Braun's declared limitation, even though when he said it, most of the Apollo program would have been on the drawing board, that somehow a miraculous exception to chemical rocket launch was dreamed up, even absent a breakthrough in rocket payload lifting in that time? What was that breakthrough again? Oh, right, there wasn't one. NASA hires and pays liars. The media cover for them to get and keep their access.

I do agree that the phenomenon of a neutron turning into a proton (coincidentally in 17 minutes) is an established fact, but the GET crew never subscribed to electrons, photons, leptons, muons, quarks or any of the rest. Their understanding of M&D was better than would allow for that. The hydrogen atom is central to all matter, particularly in combination with two oxygen atoms, as it forms water with an incommensurable quality in true Pythagorean triangle form. That structure is the most central and important essential element benefiting life. Yeah, right, we're taught that a Pythagorean triangle is a triangle containing a right triangle! They're very effective to obscure the important stuff, those illuminati. And how about that Pentagram that cultured, pious people have been programmed to think is devilish and the purview only of satanists. That's another geometry the illuminati mean to keep away from us, again because of the quality of incommensurability. A complete understanding of M&D and the qualitative working of incommensurability are central to the things the world's elite have intended to keep from the rest of us. AE and his cult following have done their tasks well, never truly understanding nor communicating the qualitative properties of M&D. By keeping all but "our betters" from understanding such technology that was known even among ancient Indian (Prakrit) and Greek societies, the illuminati intend us to remain cannon fodder, for the most part, out of the count to be granted access to underground bunkers in any major disasters.

AE was an enemy, a British/German agent, a Nazi and a known sexual deviant. He was known to be so intellectually useless that he wasn't even consulted during the development of the atom bomb (Manhattan Project) which employed 130k people. AE was a cartoon character. The positives of his persona were a constructed and hyped media fabrication, a design of the Rothschild Zionists, who supported him through the London Times, to the Nobel Committee, and later on the cover of Time Magazine as "Person of the Century". (Time Magazine was then owned by the Rothschilds.) Such are the tactics of the Deep State. The net effect was to distract Electrical Theory from the ether and pollute world-wide physics with quantum theory in search of a "god particle." This is textbook art of deception. The illuminati create fictionalized characters and elevate them under false pretenses to arrive at the goals of their true agenda, the new totalitarian world order. (See Georgia Guide Stones.)

AE helped his illuminati friends drain the bank accounts of several countries through the financial contributions to colliders that might have seemed interesting if taking war to the next level or next battleground meant making bigger and bigger nuclear weapons, but guess what? Very few people really want to destroy for millennia the benefits of Earth's ecosystem in which we live. They use that fact through waves of alarmist Global Warming scares to extract even more homage to the presumed, promised solutions. "Get your carbon credits, right here!" They love adrenalized blood, especially in and from children. Alternate weaponry and high technology have moved beyond nuclear weapons, in secret, only tempting us to continue believing the next war will be fought and won by whoever has the more optimized means to bring greater explosive payloads onto their enemies' high-value targets. For themselves, they're well beyond Direct Energy weapons that can "dustify" 100-storey buildings in mere seconds.

While universities' brightest have been distracted to seek after Higgs Boson, an Antarctic breakaway society has prepared itself with thousands of Deep Underground military bunkers to win any war of the non-elites' subjugation, no matter how deadly to the rest of us. With funds robbed from us they have laid up stores of supplies for a many-year underground existence until it might be safe to come out again. Then "philanthropist" eugenicist Bill Gates' Doomsday Seed Vault could show itself to be the modern manifestation of Noah's Ark.

As devotees of the AE cult of QM, university physics departments have stagnated intellectually for generations. One contributor has said AE set back the world's understanding of cosmic mechanics by 100 years. Universities have increasingly become indoctrination centers where divergent thinkers from the dominant, overwhelming orthodoxies are stifled, cut off from funding and fired, to see their professional careers cratered. That AE hasn't been roundly repudiated among university physics and electrical engineering departments is a testament to their inability to root out error and their susceptibility to indoctrination. As Tesla said, AE was hailed as a king wearing new purple robes, but actually they are no clothes at all. It's high time we begin to laugh--and loudly!

31 posted on 08/13/2020 3:16:23 PM PDT by rx (Truth will out!)
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To: rx
So you're not satisfied with refuting the Standard Model in particle physics, but you now have to go after the validity of simple thermodynamics (sublimation as a cooling mechanism in a vacuum)? Well, you can either keep digging a deeper hole or simply put away the fire hose. I have not the time or inclination to engage in a whack-a-link Gish Gallup with a poster who simply raises the ghosts of long-debunked hoaxer theories (e.g., no "blast crater" under the LM DPS engine bell, you said it was a 10,000 lb. thrust, but you do not understand that the LM DPS could be throttled to a lower limit of 12.2% full thrust as the LM landed). You clearly don't know what you're talking about when it comes to thermal control for spacecraft. The ISS doesn't need sublimation plates because it is a large enough structure and has a heat load larger than that generated by metabolic function so it requires the liquid ammonia system they use. In one case you're talking about a portable system needed to sustain one human for up to seven hours, another for a large structure in a weightless environment meant to function for decades and handle heat generated by tons of equipment, not just life functions. Can't you see the requirements are different? Don't you understand that in such a circumstance the systems one would employ might be very different?

It is a useless waste of time to try to discuss something meaningful with someone who denies the validity of established physical theory. Go ahead and embarrass yourself with the last word, if you want. It will probably be just more hoaxer nonsense, good for a laugh.

32 posted on 08/13/2020 9:20:07 PM PDT by chimera
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Tally the ways of my presumed heresy!

I deduce from what you wrote that you're not a pilot, nor that you have studied the video from the flying simulation rig that Aldrin and Armstrong trained on to land the LM. The final thrust percentage was high most of time. From what I saw, they rarely would have gotten an actual LM down safely. IIRC, I believe the last terrestrial trial before the Apollo 11 mission resulted in an ejection, parachute landing and demolished rig.

But even if the LM were to have used the 12.2% final thrust that someone has fed you, any thoughtful person should realize that it necessarily would have disturbed more than a few grams of regolith mere inches below the engine nozzle! The image shows no disturbance whatsoever, but something is blocking you. Inculcated disdain for me, perhaps? I think it likely that it's the faux religion to which you've given yourself over.

If and when you realize that you've listened to and placed your confidence in the Deep State's quasi-religious bishops and their stooge media handlers, all on a nearly infinite payroll (i.e., they're mercenaries, bought-and-paid-for), instead of paying attention to supremely talented, unbiased men of principle that have accomplished truly great things and are responsible for the many great things in our modern world, perhaps a glint of truth may dawn on you.

To such a world of hateful, cancel-culture insulters it is that you seem to have chosen to belong!

Nonetheless, I wish you well.

33 posted on 08/13/2020 10:11:15 PM PDT by rx (Truth will out!)
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Your "heresy" is nothing more than lack of knowledge and leaving out important and relevant information, but posting partial truths without the complete picture. That is deception and dishonesty if done deliberately, ignorance if done unknowingly.

For example, you note the DPS maximum thrust of 10,000 lbs. Its really 10,125 lbf, but close enough. You used that as a basis for your argument of "no blast crater, therefore a hoax". But you either deliberately or unknowingly failed to mention that that variable thrust of the DPS, which was very low close to the surface because of LM mass reduction (fuel use) and the fact that most of the orbital velocity had been shed by the long braking burn at higher thrust. Further, you demonstrate a lack of knowledge of the behavior of exhaust gases in an airless environment. There is a pronounced dispersion of the exhaust stream (plume, if you could see it, but you can't, for other reasons). Like many conspiracy theorists who use the "no blast crater" meme, you seem to have a picture of the exhaust as a kind of blowtorch effect, with a hot central cone and cooler envelope surrounding it. It is not that way. The dispersion reduces the force experienced by the underlying soil. There is an outward spray of dust as the LM approaches landing, which is clear in almost all of the films made of the landing phase, but upon touchdown there is no "blast" or digging effect. There is no "dust on the footpads" effect because the dust that is disturbed blows radially outward. It does not billow upward like you see dust do on Earth. The Earth (and Mars, and probably Venus) have billowing dust because of the swirling motion of the atmosphere. There is no lunar atmosphere, so no billowing effect, just sheets of soil shooting out radially away from the engine, which is exactly as it should be.

You correctly note that Neil Armstrong had to eject from the Lunar Landing Research Vehicle, and you incorrectly extrapolate that to an inability to control the actual LM in flight. You neglect to point out the real cause of the accident, which was a loss of helium pressure that caused depletion of the hydrogen peroxide used for the reserve attitude thrusters, and lack of instrumentation in the LLRV cockpit to show this condition to the pilot. The actual LM design had multiple sensors to show the status of the DPS pressure, as well a sufficient reserve capacity to keep the helium pressure stable in the LM attitude control system.

I don't know you, so it would be illogical for me to harbor any personal disdain. I just think that you're hitching your wagon to a purely speculative and imaginative hoax theory, and are clearly in over your head when discussing this with people whose are more knowledgeable in the basic science of the subject.

34 posted on 08/14/2020 3:48:47 AM PDT by chimera
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To: rx; null and void; acapesket; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; bitt; Black Agnes; blueyon; ...
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PING

Better Late than Never. Check out # 31.

Thanks, rx. Interesting.

35 posted on 08/14/2020 6:03:22 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: chimera; LucyT; generally; Cats Pajamas
If NASA used the Apollo Personal Life Support System space suit combination (PLSS) for Apollo 11-17 on the lunar surface, it necessarily means NASA would have throughly tested such suits in an Earth-based vacuum chamber. There is no publicly known video an Apollo PLSS in a vacuum chamber test. NASA has nonetheless produced at least one post-1972 staged, falsified vacuum chamber space suit video and another video of a nearly deadly space suit vacuum chamber incident in 1966. It would always have been the most minor of inconveniences for NASA to have allowed or would yet allow independent witnesses to view a successful sublimator-equipped PLSS in a vacuum chamber test--even to the present day. A video could go far toward establishing proof of existence of such technology and its feasibility, but NASA has even through today not allowed any witnesses for a such a PLSS-based test, nor public examination of the claimed PLSS-based sublimator implementation for the vacuum of space. (Hint: It dosn't exist and NASA lied.)

NASA works hard--freely sharing much data--to assure its adherents are able to continue believing their Apollo missions were real. A basic tenet among scientists is that they share their results, yet NASA has refused for years to participate in this aspect of crucially important, scientific endeavor. NASA implicitly asks its adherents to continue believing out of faith, not science. If one is satisfied as a claimed person of science to believe in the full reality of Apollo out of faith rather than from published and publicly-reviewed, proper scientific methodology, one should cease to count oneself as a person of science. That's not science, but corruption. Nonetheless, such is the best NASA offers regarding Apollo.

I've provided links to evidence of people and facts that support my contentions. Chimera's tack has been to suggest "[he's] neither inclined nor [has] the time" [to chase "whack-a-links.]" A person's disparagement can hardly be reasonably accepted for things about which the person refuses to be bothered to properly consider. Chimera is a person that chooses to believe empty, unsupported assertions about PLSS moon surface cooling in the context of NASA's unwillingness to share independently-witnessed test data that could confirmed it. Those data seem not to exist, not even in contemporaneous (post-1970) documentation! Americans should be able to know what happened to the tens of billions of dollars that went into its space program, not be told that we must simply believe fanciful unicorn tales of untested, non-existent technology. All evidence points to an after-the-fact-constructed, yet non-existent and certainly untested PLSS-based space-vacuum sublimator technology that was defensively called upon to shore up what would otherwise have exposed that the Apollo lunar missions as a series of hoaxes.

Two additional Apollo craft were built for use after Apollo 17 flew. That is, those could have become Apollo 18 and 19, but further missions were canceled. Instead of the craft being made available for public inspection, they were curiously chosen to be completely dismantled, though one engine was left intact and put on display in a museum. Requests for open public inspection of the craft at the Smithsonian have also been denied. Such behavior is suspicious five decades after the Apollo missions flew.

I supported many aspects of the fakery of Apollo, but chimera's go-to aphorisms are to 1) claim for himself superior depth of knowledge or, 2) to disparage my so-called ignorant, "long-debunked hoaxer theories". As should be clear, the supposed particle physical realities of which chimera speaks are also mere theories, not fact. Yet, those chimera gussied up to call them "established physical theory." How curious. Particle theory is not proven. OK, "established" doesn't quite claim "proven," but most will see the spin being employed. What chimera's "established physical theory" calls particles were by Tesla, the genius of Field Theory--along with CP Steinmetz, JC Maxwell, and Heaviside--considered merely field modalities, conceptualizatons of rarefaction and compression (R&C).

More people would know to judge things more accurately if 47 trunks of Tesla's works and papers hadn't been stolen by the very same group that has since their inception controled the CIA and NASA (what a coincidence!). Many of those papers, lab constructions and other materials have never seen the public light of day. Perhaps because people working without Tesla's (stolen) works are limited, compared to our century's scientific thieves that have benefited from Tesla and other advanced patented ideas, what are merely R&C look to be particles when they're not. (We may be sure that much exists in Area 51 and S4 that goes well beyond the ken of those not in the know.) Simplex field pressure mediation behavior is Occam's Razor at work, not a misleading treasure trove of bumping particles that the DS enjoys using to distract us, so as to continue to dispatch us and our progeny as cannon fodder (to wit, WWI, WWII, 9/11, Paradise fires, etc.). Accurate cosmic mechanics is clearly something the Deep State (DS) reserves until itself and wishes not to be studied openly in university physics classes. The Standard Model of particle physics can't even define what a field is (despite there being four Maxwellian so-called field equations for its/their theoretical working--they still don't include the definition of a field)! So much for its extensive understanding of Field Theory, about which Tesla was thought by his peers to be well ahead of all his contemporaries. When the DS's AE was asked how it felt to be the smartest man alive, he replied, "I don't know. You'll have to ask Nikola Tesla!"

Despite AE's gloriously appearing equations (made so by Steinmetz on behalf of AE), it should be clear to everyone reading this that AE was an unmitigated fraud whose "rock star status" was a sham made possible by his benefactors (read: DS, Zionist Rothschilds). His adherents, however completely they have taken over academic physics, have followed a manipulated (think MK-ULTRA and Operation Mockingbird media) and perfumed Pied Piper DS operative and his cliquey cult of bumping particles theories. AE was actualy as cartoonish as a 1910 manifestation of "Bill Nye the Science Guy."

The two factions of Physics have at their respective heads 1) AE (the demonstrated (post #31) fraud), and 2) Nikola Tesla, who was able to perform integral calculus in his head, which prompted some of his teachers to believe that he was cheating on tests. AE most admired those whose works he plagiarized as his own. Tesla most admired the Serbian Jesuit priest, Ruder Boškovic, whose unique 1763 masterpiece, Theory of Natural Philosophy was written half in Latin and half in English, side-by-side, and still stands as a respected work in physics.

Like a technophobic curmudgeon, chimera slams argumentation for which I have provided supporting links. He says [he's] refused even to look and consider them out of his supposedly "not having the time or inclination." That style reeks of presumed, academic superiority. Fine. If one can't be bothered, one should keep quiet rather than assert NASA's lies as if one is somehow the bright guy that can see through to the end of all things, declaring arguments from the other side as already "debunked ad infinitum." This is all the more true for answers only momentarily researched, simply to find NASA's pre-packaged, pat answers.

On any spectrum of knowledge about most any topic, any two different people will essentially always be at different points along such a spectrum. There is no necessary correlation that any statement from either person is true or false dependent on the (claimed) relative depth of knowledge of the two people. Thus, chimera's implicit claim that he is right because he may have greater depth of knowledge about a given scientific area simply is not logically true. To claim it, nonetheless, as he does, shows an inferior thought process.

Boasting of relative credentials is typical in academic circles. Sheepskin count, prestigious university rankings, titles, compensation and pecking order. So, what?! Here we should be about evidence, facts and reasoning, not presuming the automatic correctness of one's answers based on claimed, personal superiority.

Chimera has introduced errant claims. One, about my supposed "go[ing] after the validity of simple thermodynamics." I did not. I merely see no evidence that that feasible sublimation technology was included in the contemporaneous Apollo PLSS manual that described how those were equipped and claimed to have functioned. Thus, again, chimera used faulty logic and misrepresentations in a blatant attempt to disparage my reputation using mischaracterizations of what I wrote. Chimera chose to associate me with "whack-a-link Gish Gallup", implying mine are logical flawed arguments without bothering to state evidence for that. It's arrogant and shows solid disdain, as many would see it.

In one of those so-called "whack-a-links," the US's most preeminent rocket scientist, Dr. Von Braun, made clear via a 60s video that a trip to the moon would necessarily require refueling after an initial lift to Low Earth Orbit. Since the Apollo missions all used Saturn V booster rockets that were fully known to Von Braun at the time and no Apollo craft "bothered" to avail themselves of a refueling, a properly respectful response from you would be highly appropriate. To keep you from having to feel you're playing "whack-a-link," I've got just one video medley of the expensive farce that was Apollo.

For another aspect of the Apollo fraud, it's appropriate to point out the basic fact that the moon's atmosphere is extremely thin--comparable to Earth's at 190k feet--and manifests essentially no moisture whatsoever during the daytime because any that remains overnight nearly immediately evaporates in the up to 250F daytime heat. Therefore, no space suit boot, Rover or MET imprints would be able to hold their shape on the moon. Moisture is required to hold regolith into such a discernable forms immedately after man or machine would remove its downward pressure. This desert picture:

.. is roughly how such tracks should appear, depending on how deep the loose regolith might go. There was a TV documentary/magazine segment done in pop fashion at NASA in Johnson Space Center (JSC) SE of Houston (IIRC), where NASA showed a recreation of Armstrong's "one giant leap for mankind" in a small vacuum chamber where they said conditions were made as nearly identical to the lunar surface as possible. The boot imprint was left clearly. There was just this one phrase used that went by in the blink of an eye, "simulated regolith." As if to debunk naysayers for all time, NASA JSC couldn't even find a pound of actual regolith from the moon to borrow on which to do its demonstrated footprint? No, because the whole thing would have debunked the official narrative and exposed the entire Apollo program's fraud.

High noon on the moon! As noted, the sun's daytime illumination would have brought everything unshaded to 250F. Cooling systems and batteries would have been taxed mightily to keep the astronauts and their equipment from cooking, even inside the LEM, in addition to their lesser-capable, separate and untethered PLSSs. Eastman Kodak was contacted in the 1970s regarding the film emulsions the astronauts' cameras used. Eastman Kodaks' answer was that the film ostensibly used would have melted at 150F. It would have curled and been crispy not too much higher than that. None of the film that wasn't kept under temperature control would have survived, either to be exposed or viewable when brought back to Earth. We know the Hasselblad cameras which were to have been mounted on the astronauts' chests were not designed to have any protection against high temperature. Curiously, no difficulties with the film melting on the lunar surface or later was reported. To borrow a turn of phrase from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, "the dog didn't bark."

I've been an instructor pilot for thirty-some years, thus know the lay of "that land." (My work has for years been on display at the Air & Space Museum in DC, so I can rightly say I'm not the "ignorant" slouch for which chimera seems to take me, though my exhibit did eventually give way to newer display matter.) We may be assured that if Armstrong and/or Aldrin were to have crashed the DSP landing rig the last time out before a real mission to the lunar surface, that the multi-billion dollar mission would have been canceled or rescheduled until such time that the pilots had flown the lander successfully and without incident a large number of times, until such successful control of the craft was completely ingrained. To do otherwise would have been to risk bloody disaster and death on international live television. Thoughtful people need to realize how true that is. Nixon, who was so trying to impress the Soviets, never would not have risked that potential outcome.

Chimera's attempt to extricate NASA from totally undisturbed simulated regolith below Apollo 11's engine nozzle on a sound stage that somehow made it into a magazine of official lunar surface photos is no counter-evidence at all, but merely words. Even 12.2% thrust (1235.25lbs) from a 10,125lb engine should do just as I said earlier, working as we know such engines do, despite it possibly wouldn't be so visually apparent, due to the near complete lack of atmosphere. Visual differences do not make for an entirely new working. We can all look again to see that not so much as a 10-gram pebble has been moved away from the engine nozzle's center! (Look at chimera as he protesteth to much about a 1.25% rounding in a discussion!) Neither chimera nor anyone else has debunked the lack of nozzle regolith displacement. We're looking at an impossiblilty that proves the hoax. And of course, it's not just one isolated feature that's out of place with that (ICYMI, see the video montage (same as 4 paragraphs above).) There are many such features from a cadre of known thieves and liars, and frankly, murderers (think, only for example, of Milton William "Bill" Cooper).

Our DS "betters" that do in fact largely control the goings-on on Earth are understood to be 100, maybe 200 years ahead of AE's followers' imagined view of the physical world. (Think Area 51, S4, lots of laundered money through black ops, overly-expensive NASA facade projects, Space Force, UFO disclosure, and the Antarctic Breakaway Society.) These DS thieves and liars that control so many aspects of our government (and similarly, other international governments) freely steal advanced technology as such passed through patent offices around the world. That's why SERCO was put in charge of even the US Patent and Trade Office. A foreign government's technical office is in charge of US patents! Imagine that! Who let that happen in the context of the FBI's three-year investigation of unpredicated, presumed-and-falsified Trump-Russian collusion? Does anyone care than the British Crown asset reviews and controls the processing of all US Patents? Of course not, if the DS doesn't mind! What stories there are to tell there! With actual technology stolen from our best and brightest, they're happy to keep people like us in the dark while they zoom off with all manner of advanced technolgy, laughing at their stooge, AE and how he and his priets have crippled science that a US president felt he had to fake going to the moon to keep the Soviets/Rooskies spending money foolishly so they would spend themselves into total bankruptcy. It was such a good ploy in its working, even though RMN was not long later mercilously slimed as the most corrupt president. RMN was actually quite knowledgeble, smart, and clever and probably saved many hundreds of thousands--perhaps millions--of lives in a hot war with the Soviets, but don't expect the DS to let us see the world as it really is.

36 posted on 08/16/2020 6:58:41 PM PDT by rx (Truth will out!)
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Time to put away the firehose. Spewing volumes of bilge simply increases the smell. Of all the hoaxer crazies I have encountered on the net, you are the worst offender for using the firehose of falsehood. But, do what you have to do. Just remember to lock the door to the loony bin when you go back in.
37 posted on 08/16/2020 7:36:38 PM PDT by chimera
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To: rx

Outstanding post!

Thank you for all of this info. This gives me many new avenues to investigate.

Important point: If even ONE aspect of the moon exploration narrative is false, it means that the moon landing could not have happened at all or at least not as we have been led to believe. Yet what I have seen here and in additional digging, is that there are MULTIPLE fallacies in the narrative.

Did we go to the moon? I don’t know. But if we did, it didn’t happen the way we’ve been told. There are too many holes in the story. JMO YMMV

At any rate, props to rx who has been willing to put this information out there. I’m happy to see debate on its merits. I’d be happy to see any scientific debunking. So if anyone has scientific, not name-calling, arguments against any of these points, I’d be delighted to read them.


38 posted on 08/17/2020 10:27:32 AM PDT by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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Chimera, you obviously could do well to get out more. Truly, not many people can keep up with drinking from a firehose, but a lot is being asked of everyone during this election cycle. Recognizing things long hidden for the way they really are is a crash-course for many at this time. I hope you'll endeavor to stick with it, using a methodology that always and cheerfully seeks to help--and be willing to learn from--those participating to develop as complete a perspective as possible in everyone's working through evidence, facts and sound reason. I harbor no ill will, for as Mark Twain said, "It's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled." Perhaps that's because in being fooled, people have invested their personal pride to take such a stand.

Thanks for your reply, too, generally! Yes, there is a multitude of holes in the official moon exploration narrative. Many Apollo-contemporaneous, current and retired NASA employees have risked their jobs, careers, pensions and sometimes lives to come forward, even anonymously, and make the public aware of their piece(s) of the puzzle as they saw one or more important problems. We should appreciate their taking a moral stand against the public being duped and their being falsely used where it was not (or perhaps "no longer") in the public interest that the narrative's lies be kept hidden (see the video). As you probably remember, even Neil Armstrong did so at the 25th Anniversary celebration of Apollo 11 making quite clear "his coming out" included his saying that he had been used as "a parrot" to say things and not for his ability as a great flyer.

Although it's certainly NASA's take to represent that they're debunking "conspiracy theorists" ad finitium and at every turn (for their claims are all valid, don't you know!), sometimes a whistleblower, in outing only what they know, may not be able to represent a particularly complete foundation or context for what they know. We should not necessarily let such whistleblowers be summarily consigned to a "loony bin,"--unless there's proof otherwise. Seemingly valid evidence still needs to be accounted for. But further, we also know and have seen that NASA has literally planted paid, whacko-sounding voices and video producers on the Internet, whose job NASA created to allow their claims to be shot down in figurative flames. One of those is Michael Aquino, whom NASA paid to spout all manner of Flat Earth conjectures. Another was the falsified vacuum chamber test cited and linked in a previous post of mine. NASA's many suspcious initiatives very much fit a recurring pattern that must by virtue of its frequency be considered ill-intentioned.

For Armstrong, it was a confession and apology, much as many believe Stanley Kubrick delivered in his movie, The Shining, which included several moon and Apollo references (e.g., the young boy with the knitted Apollo 11 sweater and the prominent Room 237, for the hundreds of thousands of miles the moon is from Earth).

None of the many aspects of hoax should necessarily take a way from those who dedicated their talent and professional lives to NASA projects. There's often an implicit sense of diminished pride if not insult felt by those who didn't see problems where they were and who have long considered so-called "conspiracy theorists" (I would prefer "skeptics") to be insulting to their high-moral-standard comrades or compatriots. Indeed, many of these risked a lot for the US citizenry--outside of any known hoax--and all should be careful not to diminish their contributions by painting their exposures with too broad of a brush.

Even the hoax had its noble aspect. Nixon, NASA and the Deep State (DS) (for indeed, RMN was a major player in the CIA) were on a course to benefit the US citizenry as they drove the Soviets into bankruptcy. To oversimplify, it benefited all of us that we for so many decades have been able to take trips, build our companies and roads using $0.79/gallon gasoline and didn't send our children to battle the USSR (well... except to a lesser extent in Viet Nam.)

Still I believe the advanced (think Space Force), DS-controlled space technology has afforded us to visit the moon. I believe the Space Force initiative is PDJT's working to make sure that hidden technology isn't used against the non-elite and that our children, too, become versed in it as a matter of course, for the many that will be inspired by travel throughout the heavens.

I believe that when one is able to step back to see a sufficiently large picture, even a skeptic's views are not wholly of one DS-bashing flavor, as above. The 13-families that continually seek after unfair advantage are so surprisingly to the uninitiated, quite content to "dump all over us" (or is that Steppenalloverus?). Yes, like HRC, they'll coldly injure, kill and prepare the cannons for the rest of us as if we were simply fodder. As the 500M Earth-sustainable lives (see again, the Georgia Guidestone tenets/commandments.) certainly include most of the rest of us, our morality, thankfulness and faith should nonetheless motivate us to endeavor to put an end to the overriding disregard for human life of these evil-doers. I believe this has been PDJT's main thrust through his first term and as he's prepared for his second. When this is rightly seen, it should and likely will be as so much more motivating than were others motivated by a $25/hour Soros activism job to burn, loot, create mayhem as life and limb are risked. Striving for the full goodness of what God has prepared should always help align us with His purpose for our lives.

As with that 17th-letter anonymous group, we've been given long enough life and been set upon a benevolent path that it should be clear God and others intend that we each dig in to see for ourselves about what's really going on behind the scenes. We do that so we can best "remove the tares without uprooting and destroying the valuable crop" of man in God's image. Those swamp rats and 13-family types kill kids by the hundreds of thousands yearly while we've allowed it to happen "under our noses" as they evilly have been able to keep things hidden and us off-balance.

The skills and viewpoints we need to have such that we be properly equipped for the Ephesians 6:12-20 work should not allow us to be polluted with the devil's own methodology of labeling exposures of the Deep State's covert plans as "conspiracy theories." How out-of-control the swamp has grown when given that kind of cover at so many turns. At this point in time there's such a marketplace escalation of people losing their jobs and livelihoods for merely voicing skepticism (e.g., the firing of social studies teacher, Jeanne Hedgepeth). I believe such things are clear DS attacks on our God-intended freedoms, as embodied in this case, in our Constitution's First Amendment.

To round out two topics of Apollo fakery, firstly, here are two pictures of Buzz Aldrin's space suit, side-by-side. There was no chance for a wardrobe change once on the moon and predictably none are noted in the logs. Furthermore, the lack of PLSS glove-finger dexterity would not have allowed the changes that can plainly be seen between the two pictures of Buzz's suit. IOW, fail!

On the Hasselblad camera, it was a standard model, only changed by the addition of the suit chest mounting bracket. It was not an automatic adjustment camera. Everything was manual, yet, for an incredibly large number of varying lighting and focal length situations, the settings were somehow sophisticated and "perfect", even though glove-finger dexterity could not have allowed either astronaut's manipulation of the cameras' adjustments, someone took uniformly great shots, as if there was a professional photographer on-site. Hmmmmmmmm.

But further, since there was no temperature control for the essentially-always-in-the-sun Hasselblad cameras, the temperature inside the cameras would have quickly risen from sunlight electro-magnetic radiation and rendered the film as reels of slippery mush or crispy bacon. Once any magazine's film would have melted inside the camera, the camera would almost certainly have been useless for the rest of the mission. Yet, there is nothing in any of Apollo's logs concerning problems with film melting. So, "Why didn't that dog bark?".

39 posted on 08/17/2020 2:50:43 PM PDT by rx (Truth will out!)
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To: rx
Inadvertently left out of AE's "accomplishments":

1901 After five years at the Swiss Polytechnic School in Zurich, AE graduates with the lowest rank of his class.

40 posted on 08/17/2020 7:13:54 PM PDT by rx (Truth will out!)
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