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Historian Mike Loades Debunks 'The Agincourt Myth'
YouTube ^ | October 24, 2021 | History Hit

Posted on 06/06/2022 1:41:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

[37:13] Legend of popular history Mike Loades provides Dan a detailed run down of Henry V's famous victory at the Battle of Agincourt on 25 October 1415 and how his men were more a band of brigands than a 'band of brothers'. They discuss the arms, the armour, the tactics and the popular myths today associated with the battle, thanks to the immortal works of Shakespeare and Laurence Olivier.
Historian Mike Loades Debunks 'The Agincourt Myth' | October 24, 2021 | History Hit
Historian Mike Loades Debunks 'The Agincourt Myth' | October 24, 2021 | History Hit

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: agincourt; archery; arrow; arrows; bowandarrow; godsgravesglyphs; henryv; longbow; middleages; mikeloades
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[57:49] Mike Loades examines the advent and importance of medieval weapons used in Britain. He also explores how they influenced warfare strategy. This episode takes a look at the long bow.
Weapons That Made Britain - The Longbow | January 8, 2016 | Nostalgic Times
Weapons That Made Britain - The Longbow | January 8, 2016 | Nostalgic Times

1 posted on 06/06/2022 1:41:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

If we are mark’d to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God’s will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires:
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England:
God’s peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more, methinks, would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made
And crowns for convoy put into his purse:
We would not die in that man’s company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian:’
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember’d.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember’d;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.


2 posted on 06/06/2022 1:44:02 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
He's always interesting, IMHO, but he's doing some straw man crap I didn't care for.

Henry V beat the French by maneuver, leading them into a spot with favorable ground for himself, and took the time to set the whole thing up. Also, there was indeed turmoil in the French succession, and the French at Agincourt were arguing about who should lead the battle.

Henry V's victory wasn't unprecedented -- in the prior century, Edward III had similarly used the longbow to defeat the French at Crecy.
the Agincourt keyword, sorted:

3 posted on 06/06/2022 1:47:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: nickcarraway

Kenneth Branagh’s version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-yZNMWFqvM


4 posted on 06/06/2022 1:48:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

5 posted on 06/06/2022 1:50:42 PM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: SunkenCiv

Later.


6 posted on 06/06/2022 1:51:40 PM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Dan Snow is a flaming, hysterical, disgusting, over the top Leftist.

He couldn’t stop whining about Trump after the 2016 election....a president of a country that is not his....on his history podcast. Week after week after week. I had to drop him despite being a history buff because his incessant whining about politics was just too nauseating.


7 posted on 06/06/2022 1:52:40 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: FLT-bird

I didn’t know, but am not surprised, he’s just generally irritating.


8 posted on 06/06/2022 1:54:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Correct plus people forget what a powerful weapon that the longbow was at the time. Your longbowman not only had to have incredible arm strength but extra arm length.

The only weapon that was even close to effective was the crossbow, which suffered both from much longer reload time and shorter range.

It was a similar situation to the Kentucky long rifles at the battle of New Orleans where the Brits had an extraordinarily long kill zone to march across before they could even get within range.

9 posted on 06/06/2022 2:27:08 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I thought this was pretty bad history but entertaining story


10 posted on 06/06/2022 2:30:20 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: SunkenCiv

Something about the word ‘debunked’ has lost it’s pizzazz with me.

If someone says something is ‘debunked’, I look a lot closer, now.


11 posted on 06/06/2022 2:33:01 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The firearms I own today, are the firearms I will die with. How I die will be up to them.)
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The rest of the Archery keyword, sorted, then heavily edited:

12 posted on 06/06/2022 2:40:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Vigilanteman

I think there was a test similar to this on Time Team, but anyway, this isn’t the one I remember:

The Longbow Vs The Crossbow Speed Test - Video 17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HagCuGXJgUs


13 posted on 06/06/2022 2:41:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Lazamataz

Yeah, I’m not a fan of debunking, it’s really mostly diagnostic of some martinet true believer pushing some load of crap.

It’s also ironic that, if you listen to him, he’s really debunking Sir Larry’s film version from 1948, that’s the straw man I was b***ing about.


14 posted on 06/06/2022 2:44:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Interesting that he is only comparing the reloading ability of the fastest model of crossbow with the long bow and he still loses 10-6 in 51 seconds.

I would guess that a crossbow with comparable stopping power would probably lose 10-3.

15 posted on 06/06/2022 2:53:24 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: nickcarraway

Bump


16 posted on 06/06/2022 3:04:04 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: SunkenCiv

One of my favorite 'dreadnoughts'...

;>)

17 posted on 06/06/2022 3:10:20 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: Vigilanteman

That wouldn’t be the case if they hadn’t outlawed semiautomatic crossbows with high-capacity quivers


18 posted on 06/06/2022 3:14:14 PM PDT by I-ambush (We watched the moment of defeat, played back over on the video screen. )
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Let me guess...The French were miraculous fighters and warriors.


19 posted on 06/06/2022 3:18:17 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Defeating China is impossible without understanding that Russia is our enemy)
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To: Vigilanteman

Similar to how bows are tested against armor. They always use the best armor, but average bows and arrow heads.


20 posted on 06/06/2022 3:44:14 PM PDT by jimtorr
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