Posted on 04/11/2024 3:38:22 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
For a moment, there was so much hope. 0:04 Apartheid was over. 0:05 South Africa had, for decades, essentially operated as two different nations superimposed 0:10 on the same landscape. 0:12 There was the white nation—wealthy and westernized—boasting a similar, if not higher standard of living 0:18 to that of Europe due to its similarly strong and diversified economy. 0:22 Then there was the black nation—impoverished and excluded from that wealthier white nation 0:27 by a legally enshrined system of segregation. 0:30 It felt like Europeans had just built an insular outpost in Africa—that’s to say, it felt 0:36 like what it was. 0:37 But finally, following decades of internal struggle and mounting international pressure 0:42 that reached a climax with the waning need for an African anti-Soviet ally, the nation’s 0:47 new president announced the release of apartheid-era political prisoners. 0:51 Most of these prisoners were members of the African National Congress—the strongest 0:55 anti-apartheid force—including the famed and beloved Nelson Mandela. 1:01 As time marched forward, Mandela negotiated with the existing government to ensure a peaceful 1:06 transition—something some thought impossible—as the structures of apartheid were stripped 1:10 away. 1:11 Then, in South Africa’s first truly democratic election, the most symbolic moment yet: Nelson 1:18 Mandela, the former prisoner, was elected President of South Africa. 1:23 In the view of most, at that moment, South Africa was brimming with potential. 1:28 It had massive mineral wealth, it had a diversified economy, it had a large highly-educated workforce—as 1:34 the continent rose, the world hoped and believed that South Africa could be the poster-child 1:39 of the potential of African economic and human development. 1:43 If the white and black nations could truly integrate into one, the country was well on
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I have known quite a few South Africans. I have studied South African history as a matter of personal interest (Great Trek by Walker, Lord Packingham’s Boer War, Steve Biko’s Frank Talk essays, White Tribe of Africa by I-forget-who, among others). But no, I’ve not been to South Africa. No plans to.
“You’re viewing this from the outside. Did YOU or anyone you know ever had a long personal relationship with Mandela?”
I’m assuming that you did, then? I do remember his visit to NYC, and totally despised it. Sycophant media, traffic along Broadway disrupted. The usual.
Do you have a reference for that? I am residing in the general neighborhood so am interested.
Just the say-so of my South African expat friend back in 2013 in Atlanta. Wouldn’t surprise me though. They have a militaristic culture and history.
I understand that in the first four years after liberation there were 125,000 murders in South Africa.
While the male population was clean shaven in earlier years, lots of locals are wearing beards now. It is all somewhat concerning.
OK. OK. You and No Pardons win. Mandela was not “relatively reasonable” except relative to his present heirs, who are outright bastards.
I’d say that the talaq is not the same as western divorce. Husband just says the magic words three times and kicks his ex out of the house. No lawyers. No support or custody or property issues. Just ‘bye beotch.
WOW! Temptation is evil./sarc
They will run out of food soon since the gov’t killed all the white farmers in SA and Zim. All the irrigated circle fields are now growing up with trees.
In my experience, black folk are some of the most racist folks on the planet. Good luck with that. There is a reason sub-saharan africa doesn't have a single prosperous country in it.
Yes there is.
The Boers denuclearized before yielding power to the ANC..
The collapse of South Africa was quite predictable.
Thank you, and thank God!
David Harrison wrote THE WHITE TRIBE OF AFRICA, it's okay. I've also read Parkingham's, who does NOT use his title, BTW,on my book.
Since you obviously like books about the Boer War, the following are ones to read IF you can find them: 1) THE ANGLO-BOER WAR 1899-1902, by E. Pretorious 2)London To Ladysmith vi Pretoria, by Winston Churchill 3)Ian Hamilton's March, by Winston Churchill, 4)Churchill in Africa, by Brian Roberts 5)Churchill Wanted dead or Alive, by Celia Sandys 6)The Anglo-Boer war 1899-1902, by Charl Vorster PHD 7)Commando:A Journal of The Boer War, by Denys Reliz
The following are a mix... 1)Shaka's Children : A History of The Zulu People, by Stphon Talor 2)The Bushmen, by Alf Wonneburgh 3)South Africa: A Narrative History. by Frank Welsh 4)All 8 books by Herman Charles Bosman
I'll give you all of Bosman's book titles via FRmail, if you are interested; however, I don't think that these are available outside of RSA; sadly. And thus ends the list; though NOT complete, re the the books in my library.
Please don't assume anything,as you are probably wrong.
Some of my extended family lives in RSA and are descended from the original settlers.
No, thankfully I never met Mandela; however, yes, some there knew him quite well, in a business/personal, NOT GOVERNMENTAL capacity. So yes, besides having read about him, I have been told about him, by family.
ME? I NEVER liked him one bit ( even before the family told me what they knew ) and I never, for one second, thought that his becoming president would work.
I can ask about this, if you guys want to know. Personally, I don’t know anything at all about it.
Muslims also have "a bride for a night" thing, which means that they may have sexual congress with someone NOT their wife/wives for one night and it isn't considered to be adultery.
Please enquire. The issue is relevant.
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