Posted on 09/27/2004 8:07:13 PM PDT by freebilly
Not good enough. She says she wasn't cursing; if the lady was so loud, where are the cops witnesses? Remember that in America a person is innocent until proven guilty.
I did a quick search on USSC rulings on disturbing the peace; and from what I can tell, an arrest for talking loudly on a cell phone would be tossed so fast that no decent prosecutor would THINK about taking the case....and it should be tossed. They threw out convictions for commentary that nearly resulted in riots. The cop certainly had the right to ask her to be quiet; which he should have done nicely (I doubt that was the case). And she had the right to refuse.
There are rude people in the world; happily they live in a country where they are free to be rude.
She was done with her phone call and walking when he approached her and said she had been talking too loud. Can you imagine ending your phone conversation and a cop starting with you by saying that you talked too loud? Tell me you wouldn't be tempted to say, "What?!?!?"
Gee thanks. :)
Funny since I'm dealing with a lady who keeps her neighborhood awake at night w/ the pipe organ she has in her house. I only read that little snip since the Wash Post requires registration but I'd be wary of how a liberal rag portrays anything the police do. I realize there are those here who view the police as nothing more than the muscle of an intrusive gov't so this comes across looking badly to some. Local prosecutors won't even file charges unless someone has actually made a complaint w/ regard to the noise issue only.
A nutcase gets pulled over while driving. The officer asks for his license. He mutters something about the fringe on the American flag and claims the officer has no right to stop him, and drives off. The officer follows. The driver speeds dangerously and tries to run the officer off the road, and eventually jumps out with guns blazing. The officer shoots and kills the driver. The anarcho-ideologues then whine: "Oh my! That poor man was murdered by the police merely for driving down the street!"
Excellent work by the police officer...
Inconsiderate people, especially ones with names like "Sakinah Aaron" in this report, will practically shout at the top of their lungs on trains, buses, and anywhere else they're using their cellular telephone without any concern of repercussion.
Could you imagine if a passerby politely asked her to lower her voice? I'll bet ANY amount of money she would have told them to go f**k themselves.
Nothing is more pathetic than watching two hundred white people cower on a commuter train because one black person wishes to ignore common rules of courtesy. The whites typically suffer in silence until they reach their destination because they don't want to receive a "racist" label simply because they advised a person to tone it down and mind their manners.
Before the flames start, I'm an equal-opportunity observer of cellular misbehavior. Millions of people use cellular phones each day and manage to do it without disturbing the public-at-large. Some even "rush" their calls because they don't want their conversations to disturb others. The remaining rude people need a little "finishing school" to help them learn about appropriate public behavior.
~ Blue Jays ~
Oh, stop with the histrionics. The person in your scenario went on to commit an actual crime. What was hers? Questioning an police officer? He brought it upon himself by being overly zealous; she overreacted, and it ended with a pregnant woman handcuffed on the ground. For an incident WHICH WAS NEVER A LEGITIMATE CRIME...which was the only point that I was trying to make in my post.
A person is presumed innocent and thats only for purposes of adjudication not establishing probable cause for arrest
Unfortunately for the woman, no police brutality occurred.
Histrionics? Perhaps taking the same mindset to its logical conclusion. She wasn't arrested for talking too loudly. Had the Me-ocrat suddenly learned that other people have rights, too, she would have said, "Gee, I didn't realize I was infringing on other people's rights. I'll try to do better. Thank you for informing me, Officer," and she wouldn't have been arrested.
Ping to earlier post in thread...
Agreed. However, that won't stop a law suit.
There is just no excuse for being rude and inconsiderate to your neighbors.
Change your diaper.
Unfortunately, I have to agree.
Actually, enforcement of such scofflaws were what cleaned up NYC under Giuliani. It appears enforcement of such minor civil codes of conduct does have an effect.
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