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Police Defend Arrest Over Loud Cell Phone Call
The Washingto Post ^ | 9/28/04 Go Figure | By Lyndsey Layton

Posted on 09/27/2004 8:07:13 PM PDT by freebilly

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To: Lance Romance
"I'm going with the cop on this one."

Not good enough. She says she wasn't cursing; if the lady was so loud, where are the cops witnesses? Remember that in America a person is innocent until proven guilty.

61 posted on 09/27/2004 9:17:58 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: Born in a Rage
Who is claiming that the Me-ocrat will not be able to contest her citation or subsequent arrest in a court of law?
62 posted on 09/27/2004 9:19:49 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Lance Romance
I'm out and about in the public all day with the type of work that I do. I see & hear obnoxious things on a very regular basis...including this type of thing.

I did a quick search on USSC rulings on disturbing the peace; and from what I can tell, an arrest for talking loudly on a cell phone would be tossed so fast that no decent prosecutor would THINK about taking the case....and it should be tossed. They threw out convictions for commentary that nearly resulted in riots. The cop certainly had the right to ask her to be quiet; which he should have done nicely (I doubt that was the case). And she had the right to refuse.

There are rude people in the world; happily they live in a country where they are free to be rude.

63 posted on 09/27/2004 9:20:50 PM PDT by garandgal
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To: asgardshill

She was done with her phone call and walking when he approached her and said she had been talking too loud. Can you imagine ending your phone conversation and a cop starting with you by saying that you talked too loud? Tell me you wouldn't be tempted to say, "What?!?!?"


64 posted on 09/27/2004 9:22:33 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: Libertina
LOLOL Ping to "our guys' ;) PO PO

Gee thanks. :)
Funny since I'm dealing with a lady who keeps her neighborhood awake at night w/ the pipe organ she has in her house. I only read that little snip since the Wash Post requires registration but I'd be wary of how a liberal rag portrays anything the police do. I realize there are those here who view the police as nothing more than the muscle of an intrusive gov't so this comes across looking badly to some. Local prosecutors won't even file charges unless someone has actually made a complaint w/ regard to the noise issue only.

65 posted on 09/27/2004 9:23:06 PM PDT by Horatio Gates
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To: Cultural Jihad
Well then, lets just go around accusing innocent people of stuff and tie up the courts and make the lawyers a ton of money...great thinking.
66 posted on 09/27/2004 9:24:23 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: garandgal
The Me-ocrat was not arrested for merely talking loudly on a cell phone. She chose to escalate the incident into her own arrest.

A nutcase gets pulled over while driving. The officer asks for his license. He mutters something about the fringe on the American flag and claims the officer has no right to stop him, and drives off. The officer follows. The driver speeds dangerously and tries to run the officer off the road, and eventually jumps out with guns blazing. The officer shoots and kills the driver. The anarcho-ideologues then whine: "Oh my! That poor man was murdered by the police merely for driving down the street!"

67 posted on 09/27/2004 9:27:58 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: AQGeiger; festus; biblewonk
Good Evening All-

Excellent work by the police officer...

Inconsiderate people, especially ones with names like "Sakinah Aaron" in this report, will practically shout at the top of their lungs on trains, buses, and anywhere else they're using their cellular telephone without any concern of repercussion.

Could you imagine if a passerby politely asked her to lower her voice? I'll bet ANY amount of money she would have told them to go f**k themselves.

Nothing is more pathetic than watching two hundred white people cower on a commuter train because one black person wishes to ignore common rules of courtesy. The whites typically suffer in silence until they reach their destination because they don't want to receive a "racist" label simply because they advised a person to tone it down and mind their manners.

Before the flames start, I'm an equal-opportunity observer of cellular misbehavior. Millions of people use cellular phones each day and manage to do it without disturbing the public-at-large. Some even "rush" their calls because they don't want their conversations to disturb others. The remaining rude people need a little "finishing school" to help them learn about appropriate public behavior.

~ Blue Jays ~

68 posted on 09/27/2004 9:35:54 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Cultural Jihad
A nutcase gets pulled over while driving. The officer asks for his license. He mutters something about the fringe on the American flag and claims the officer has no right to stop him, and drives off. The officer follows. The driver speeds dangerously and tries to run the officer off the road, and eventually jumps out with guns blazing. The officer shoots and kills the driver. The anarcho-ideologues then whine: "Oh my! That poor man was murdered by the police merely for driving down the street!"

Oh, stop with the histrionics. The person in your scenario went on to commit an actual crime. What was hers? Questioning an police officer? He brought it upon himself by being overly zealous; she overreacted, and it ended with a pregnant woman handcuffed on the ground. For an incident WHICH WAS NEVER A LEGITIMATE CRIME...which was the only point that I was trying to make in my post.

69 posted on 09/27/2004 9:35:58 PM PDT by garandgal
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To: Born in a Rage
Remember that in America a person is innocent until proven guilty.

A person is presumed innocent and thats only for purposes of adjudication not establishing probable cause for arrest

70 posted on 09/27/2004 9:37:52 PM PDT by Horatio Gates
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To: freebilly
No jury in the world is going to side against a pregnant woman who claims police brutality in this situation.

Unfortunately for the woman, no police brutality occurred.

71 posted on 09/27/2004 9:40:11 PM PDT by usadave
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To: garandgal

Histrionics? Perhaps taking the same mindset to its logical conclusion. She wasn't arrested for talking too loudly. Had the Me-ocrat suddenly learned that other people have rights, too, she would have said, "Gee, I didn't realize I was infringing on other people's rights. I'll try to do better. Thank you for informing me, Officer," and she wouldn't have been arrested.


72 posted on 09/27/2004 9:42:26 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: asgardshill; Lance Romance; Cultural Jihad

Ping to earlier post in thread...


73 posted on 09/27/2004 9:42:36 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: usadave
no police brutality occurred.

Agreed. However, that won't stop a law suit.

74 posted on 09/27/2004 9:45:24 PM PDT by Horatio Gates
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To: freebilly

There is just no excuse for being rude and inconsiderate to your neighbors.


75 posted on 09/27/2004 9:46:04 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Weirdad
I hope they don't throw the book at me. Or even worse throw me in the hole.

Change your diaper.

76 posted on 09/27/2004 9:49:54 PM PDT by Lance Romance
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To: shotokan
Agreed. However, that won't stop a law suit.

Unfortunately, I have to agree.

77 posted on 09/27/2004 9:50:11 PM PDT by usadave
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To: Born in a Rage
Not good enough. She says she wasn't cursing; if the lady was so loud, where are the cops witnesses? Remember that in America a person is innocent until proven guilty. Umm. She admits to cursing at the police officer. Need some help with the big words?
78 posted on 09/27/2004 9:51:40 PM PDT by Lance Romance
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To: Lance Romance
"Exactly. When a cop asks you to do something, you do it. The consequences of noncompliance can be a bitch."

So given that great logic we are living in a police state. Just because a cop asks you do anything you should do it? I hate when people are talking loud on their cell phones, and think they should be charged with disturbing the peace. I do not think just because a cop asks you need to obey.

What about DUI check points? Do you agree with them? Do they have a right to pull over people at WILL with no reason other than they feel like it? Did you ever get stopped at one... they ask questions like where you were and were you are going?

I agree with cooperation with leo's but not absolute unreasoning compliance just because they are cops. She probably was a nasty person but to post: "Exactly. When a cop asks you to do something, you do it. The consequences of noncompliance can be a bitch." was totally out of bounds.

You give the cops powers they should not have, nor should want... if they want the RESPECT of the citizenry. Respect draws cooperation, fear draws disdain.
79 posted on 09/27/2004 9:53:12 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: garandgal

Actually, enforcement of such scofflaws were what cleaned up NYC under Giuliani. It appears enforcement of such minor civil codes of conduct does have an effect.


80 posted on 09/27/2004 9:54:04 PM PDT by Lance Romance
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