Posted on 07/18/2015 12:53:28 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
“Richard Flahavan” On: Mar 03/30/09 12:09 PM
To: REDACTED@REDACTED.net
Dear Mr. Arduini:
Facts will never trump speculation by conspiracy theorists. But the reality is the following:
a. The 10-character Document Locator Number (DLN) was placed on Selective Service Registration Forms beginning prior to the establishment of our current Data Management Center on 31 August 1981.
b. Prior to 1981, the DLN configuration was different from what is used today.
c. At that time when Mr. Obama registered, the first three characters (089) indicated that the form was keyed in by one of the contract keying centers – in this case 089 equated to the Internal Revenue Service.
d. Later, an 11th digit was added to the DLN just prior to Y2K to differentiate another decade.
Thus, the first three characters of the DLN do NOT represent the year the form was keyed into the SSS registrant database, despite what some may hold dear.
Richard S. Flahavan
Associate Director, Public and Intergovernmental Affairs
Selective Service System National Headquarters
what do you mean 27 years apart?
The key to understanding Obama’s LFBC is to realize/acknowledge that the address listed as Stanley Ann’s ‘home address’ is one at which she and the baby NEVER resided. Once this fact is grasped, the rest falls neatly into place.
[BTW, it was not a so-called birther who established that fact. It was acclaimed leftist biographer and major Obama-fan David Maraniss. His bias was entirely in Obama’s favor, yet he had no recourse other than to acknowledge that the ‘home address’ on Obama’s BC is not one at which Stanley Ann and the baby EVER lived. Unlike most of his readers and one hundred percent of the Obots, Maraniss grasped how devastating to Obama’s birth narrative his discovery was. He tried to soften the blow by announcing, pre-publication, that he had located a witness who confirmed that Stanley Ann had given birth in a HI hospital. Unfortunately (for Obama fans) that claim was a patent lie. Maraniss’ research had torpedoed the ‘born in HI claim once and for all.]
Bruce Henderson’s card was stamped in 1980. Conspiracy theorist say that Obama’s card was created in 2007. But the DLN is clearly from 1980.
Beyond that there is also their Selective Service numbers also assigned at the time of processing.
Bruce Henderson - 61-1125522-7
Barack Obama - 61-1125539-1
Also both cards were stamped at the same post office in Honolulu (Makiki Station).
And there is a third man Darrel Oniwa who also registered at the Makiki Station Post Office. His numbers are close to Henderson’s and Obama’s.
Darrel Oniwa - DLN – 0897 080 653, SS 61-1125556-5
The facts that are being left out are that Stanley Ann Dunham’s parents lived at that address and that Stanley Ann herself also lived there.
Both facts were established by both David Maraniss and posters here at Free Republic.
The last time I went through this with you, all you did was make stuff up. It was embarrassing. Wishful thinking is not evidence. The people who actually did the research in HI do not bear out your Obama-blinded wish-thoughts. Maraniss confirms straight up that Stanley Ann and the baby NEVER lived at the ‘home address’ given on the BC. Never.
How hard is that to grasp???
[C. Lion voice on] Ain't it the truth? Ain't it the truth?![/off]
*Selective Service says he properly registered in 1980 and lists the registration number.
*The Social Security Administration says the "064" number was never issued to someone name "Bounel" and that further information can't be disclosed because the number belongs to a "living person" (gee, I wonder who that is?).
*The State of Hawaii has affirmed multiple ways by multiple persons he was born there.
But the "I see something funny in this document" crowd will persist.
And I notice you have not denied the fact that the address on the birth certificate was the same address she lived at with her parents and that is listed in the 1961/1962 Polk directory as her address after her marriage which was in February, 1961.
"Obama Ann S. studt r6085 Kalanianaole hwy"
And of course the Polk people say they acquire their information by actual canvas.
https://books.google.com/books?ei=sw2aVcX_F4TxoATCmpO4CQ&id=7gBPAAAAYAAJ&dq=polk+city+directory+1960&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=information
But I understand why you don't mention it.
“*Selective Service says he properly registered in 1980 and lists the registration number.”
“*The Social Security Administration says the “064” number was never issued to someone name “Bounel” and that further information can’t be disclosed because the number belongs to a “living person” (gee, I wonder who that is?).”
“*The State of Hawaii has affirmed multiple ways by multiple persons he was born there.”
Nowhere does Maraniss say that Cindy Pratt is his lone source. At one point he does mention that Cindy had no recollection of a baby coming into the home. It is a separate passage, however, in which he states SAD and the baby never lived there. In that passage he does not mention Cindy.
Polk places SAD at that address at the time she was a student. Polk is useless in arguing that SAD brought the baby home from the hospital to that address. Their info is not that detailed. If it were, Maraniss could have used Polk to ‘prove’ SAD was living at that address at the time she gave birth. Not even to please his leftist-Obama-fan readership base will he tarnish his reputation to such a degree. Though it could not have been easy to admit, in the end he does come right out and state SAD and baby never lived there.
To the teeth-gnashing consternation of the Obots.
You mean this passage:
"That was Ann’s home address, where she had a makeshift room outside her parents’ bedroom. But she and Obama and the infant never lived there. Even if they had wanted to, there was no space. The Pratt family was still there, taking up the rest of the house. Cindy Pratt, the daughter, said that she had no memory of the Dunham’s daughter bring home an infant home. Only a few days after the boy was born, the father had to fill out immigration papers to extend his student visa. The residence he listed on those papers was 1704 Punahou Street, apartment 15.”
He doesn't mention any other sources and in the same passage he mentions Cindy Pratt as a source. And at this point the only cited source.
Yes, Stanley Ann, Barack Sr. and the baby never lived there together. But it is indisputable that Stanley Ann lived there before the birth and her parents continued to live there after the birth. Maraniss seems to be implying that Stanley Ann, Barack Sr. and the baby lived at 1704 Punahou Street. IMO,I doubt it.
It seems that the only point you are able to make is that when she filed out the birth certificate form she listed her parents address as hers. Something she also did on her passport applications.
Are you arguing from the above passage that SAD did live at that address when she gave birth? If so, what in particular that Maraniss said leads you to that conclusion? He actually says just the opposite.
As to Maraniss “implying” SAD and the baby lived at Punahou, that is simply a reading comprehension issue. Maraniss implies no such thing.
Listen, Obama-apologist: here is the fact. Nowhere apart from the disputed BC is that house identified as Obama’s birth house. Go to your favorite search engine. Type in ‘birth house’ for Bush, Clinton, Carter, Reagan, etc. In each case, up pop multiple images of the house in which each one’s mother lived at the time of birth.
Now do the same for Obama. Images of the house cited on the BC do NOT pop up. Nor is there a plaque outside that house listing it as Obama’s birth house. Tourists do not pull over next to the house and take pics, so they can show friends and relatives that they personally viewed the house Obama’s mother was living in when she gave birth.
You have no evidence to bolster your case: none. You simply make yourself look foolish by insisting, sans facts and evidence, that this is the actual birth address.
Perhaps you need to contact the HI tourism bureau, and tell them you have identified the house in which SAD was living when she gave birth. Then they can add that ‘fact’ to their guidebooks, and direct tourists to the location.
Oh wait; you can’t do that. You have ZERO evidence.
You've got their pat replies down pat.
The amazing thing is how Obama and the "regime" supposedly has this AWESOME power to intimidate every Congressperson, judge, and state official. But, oddly, this power operates ONLY on the issue of eligibility. In the political arena, he often can't get much done: no immigration bill, budget standoffs, judicial appointments tied up in the Senate, etc.
The "thugs" must all have their day off when Congress is about to vote.
Excerpted from “Double Down: Game Change 2012” by Mark Halperin and John Heilemann:
“Dunham had died seven years earlier, but Obama hadn’t sorted through all her things. Now, alone in his old house for just the third night since he’d become president, he started rummaging through the boxes, digging, digging, until suddenly he found it: a small, four-paneled paper booklet the world had never seen before. On the front was an ink drawing of Kapi‘olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, in Honolulu. On the back was a picture of a Hawaiian queen. On one inside page were his name, his mother’s name, and his date of birth; on the other were his infant footprints.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/image16.png
Obama, after finding the hospital souvenir booklet, was motivated to release some documentation, and so he showed the booklet to his chief legal advisor, Robert Bauer.
“White House Counsel Bob Bauer took one look at the booklet in Obama’s hand and knew it wasn’t the birth certificate. It was just a commemorative keepsake.”
The book details the internal debate over releasing more birth documentation leading to an approach to the State of Hawaii for a copy of his original certificate. Nine days later, Bauer had the official certificate from Hawaii in his hand at the April 27 press conference.
No, I’m arguing that your statement
“Nowhere does Maraniss say that Cindy Pratt is his lone source. At one point he does mention that Cindy had no recollection of a baby coming into the home. It is a separate passage, however, in which he states SAD and the baby never lived there. In that passage he does not mention Cindy.”
is not accurate unless you are talking about another passage somewhere in his book. Are you? He certainly names no other sources in that passage or in the reference list other than Cindy Pratt.
I looked for President Bush’s birth house but found no images. Oh, well.
I don’t know if there is a plaque in front of 6085 address or if tourist driveby it. Frankly if I’m visiting Hawaii that would be extremely low on my to do list. Maybe you live across the street and therefore have first hand information. Do you?
On my very first try, this came up along with a magnificent image:
“Built in 1901, this 3-story historic structure was designed by Hartford architect Edward T. Hapgood in an elaborate expression of the Colonial Revival style and is the birth home of George W. Bush.
block-kahan.com”
My point was that Maraniss never claimed Cindy Pratt was his sole source of info. She was obviously a source, but I am unaware of Maraniss stating he had no other source/sources.
For a person who has not gone to HI to personally research the issue, you are certainly not shy in claiming to know more about it than Maraniss. I would imagine you are also a more successful biographer than he is?
I can tell you this. While the birth houses of other POTUSs are easy to locate online, there is no simular listing/photo for Obama’s birth house. Prior to Maraniss’ book and the other biographies people did assume it was the house listed on the BC. After that myth was exploded, no Obama birth house has been publicly identified.
An Obama Self-tour in Honolulu (from 2008):
“If you don’t want to pay $49 for the “Obama Tour Hawaii” you can create your own, or if you aren’t the tour type, you definitely needn’t miss out on President-Elect Obama’s Hawaiian roots on your next trip to Honolulu.”
Here are Barack Obama’s family residences in Honolulu, together with Google Mapping to each.
6085 Kalaniana’ole Highway. Barack’s home, where he first lived in 1961.
1427 Alexander Street, Apartment 110. Grandparents’ home from 1962 to 1963, where Barack and his mother also sometimes lived.
615 Eleventh Avenue. Father’s home from 1960 to 1962, although the building is no longer there.
2234 University Avenue. From 1964 to 1967, this was the home of Barack, his mother, and grandparents.
2277 Kamehameha Avenue. In 1963, Barack’s mother lived here while she attended college.
1617 South Beretania Street. From 1971 to 1979, Barack lived in this apartment building with his grandparents. This is where his grandmother lived until the time of her recent death.
1839 Poki Street. Barack’s mother and younger half-sister lived here from 1974 to 1976. Obama lived there sometimes as well.
You can also drive by Punahou School where Barack attended grades five through twelve. It’s at 1601 Punahou Street. Entry to the campus is limited during school hours.
“My point was that Maraniss never claimed Cindy Pratt was his sole source of info.”
And he lists no other sources anywhere and his sole claim is Cindy Pratt’s statement which unlike what you claimed is in the very same passage. But he does list Polk City Directory as a reference.
“block-kahan.com”?
Maybe when 6085 comes up for sale the realtor will list it as Obama’s birth home. That will make it official. LOL
Is there a plaque out front?
There is nothing in Maraniss book that explodes anything about the birth narrative of Obama. In fact from what little I’ve read of it he pretty much toes the line.
So once again the most you can show is that SAD put her parents house address down on the birth certificate. Wow
2008 was a very good year for Obots. People still believed Dreams was something other than a work of pure fiction/propaganda. Here’s another blurb from the same year. See if you can spot the falsehoods:
“The senior Obama came from Kenya to the University of Hawai’i in 1959, where he met and later married Stanley Ann Dunham, 18, also a UH student.
It’s feasible the couple occupied the back cottage at 6085 Kalaniana’ole. Public records from the time show that Barack H. Obama, 25, also had a residence at 625 11th Ave. in Kaimuki.
Since those records show that Obama Sr. had the 11th Avenue dwelling at the same time he and his wife were living on Kalanianaole Highway, it’s possible the young Barack also visited that residence.”
From the Honolulu Advertiser.
Nowhere does Maraniss state that Cindy Pratt is his sole source. That is such a simple statement, and yet you cannot grasp it.
What if, contrary to fact, Maraniss DID state that Cindy was his lone source? Does Obot logic then insist that we must, in some mythical way, *know* that she is wrong? You seem to believe that any evidence-free statement you make is true, while any statement Maraniss makes which he corroborates is false. It is a weird world you inhabit.
All Maraniss does is unequivocally state that SAD and the baby never lived at the ‘home address’ on the BC. That is the explosion of the myth. SAD had no HI address at that time, so one was used at which she was not living. I don’t expect you to comprehend the ramifications of that.
It’s obviously above your paygrade.
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