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Are we be better off with the thousands of factories shut down and millions of jobs lost?
Ted Cruz was on with Jeff Kuhner re: free trade ^

Posted on 03/12/2016 6:33:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Are we be better off today with the thousands of U.S. factories that have shut down and millions of American jobs lost and the trillions in accumulated debt that we've run up in the last couple decades of free trade?

And, of course, this is due to many factors including such things as:

Big government

Regulations

High taxes

Unions driving up costs

Cheap labor overseas

Fewer regulations overseas

Lower taxes overseas

Trade deficits

etc.,

And doubly exasperated by poor trade deals?

Or is this all a myth?

Are we better off with cheaper foreign (cheap) goods, fewer U.S. factories, fewer U.S. jobs, higher unemployment and welfare, higher taxes and higher national debt?

Will this spiral out of control until we lose our country?

Is ushering in free trade before (or without) reducing our own costs the equivalent of national suicide?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2016issues; badtradedeals; cheaplabor; cruz; economics; fasttrack; freetrade; gop; gope; jeffsessions; jobs; layoffs; manufacturing; ryan; sessions; tpa; tpp; trade; treaty; trends; votetrump
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To: Mollypitcher1

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/10/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-i-always-opposed-tpp-trans-pacific-partne/


101 posted on 03/12/2016 7:29:37 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Alberta's Child

Just before the 08 crash, I was getting some tires. A guy was there, too, getting some. He wanted his spinners used. He was in his 50s and bragged about working a GM job with overtime and how he got a new car every three years. But he loved his spinners.


102 posted on 03/12/2016 7:29:37 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: RginTN
so when will trump have all his products made in America?? when he does then he’ll be taken seriously on trade.

I take him seriously already...Who in the running would know more about how to change the system to benefit the U.S.??? He knows exactly why he's offshoring...He knows exactly what it would take to get his companies into America...

103 posted on 03/12/2016 7:30:33 PM PST by Iscool (Trump will Triumph)
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To: Jim Robinson
Bingo. That's a very big part of it.

The other big factor is that the transportation costs for the factory in China only put it at a competitive disadvantage against a U.S. factory for products that are shipped to the U.S.

For products that are shipped elsewhere around the world -- and this part of their customer base is growing much faster than the U.S. customer base -- the U.S. doesn't really have a competitive advantage over China.

104 posted on 03/12/2016 7:30:39 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Bye bye, William Frawley!)
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To: tallyhoe

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/10/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-i-always-opposed-tpp-trans-pacific-partne/


105 posted on 03/12/2016 7:30:53 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Alberta's Child

More than half of all autos are made by non union workers.


106 posted on 03/12/2016 7:33:34 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Cruz has solid plans for bringing back manufacturing:

1. The Cruz tax plan is unique because of how it taxes business who engage in imports. That means manufacturing has powerful incentives for being within the United States. This is far better than protectionism or tariffs that hurt the consumer and lead to trade wars— that further hurt our manufacturing.

2. A solid energy plan like Cruz’s is key. Energy is a key cost for manufacturers. Texas is leading the way to more manufacturing by way of cheap energy. Our fracking innovations have made natural gas cheaper than ever. This creates industry here at home and makes energy costs lower than China. That attracts manufacturing.

States like Texas prove that we can restore manufacturing to America.

Other nations cannot compete with out innovation. Beating the Federal government in the courts on EPA actions kept Texas free and strong.


107 posted on 03/12/2016 7:34:59 PM PST by lonestar67 (Trump is anti-conservative / Cruz 2016)
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To: tallyhoe
Dude seriously he is against TPP.. He was looking at supporting TPA then decided to vote against that too!!!

Against it after he voted yea? http://www.redstate.com/diary/freedomrepublican/2015/05/23/u-s-senator-voted-fast-tracking-obamatrade/
108 posted on 03/12/2016 7:34:59 PM PST by irishMN
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To: tallyhoe

Do your own research.


109 posted on 03/12/2016 7:38:51 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: lonestar67

The energy side of this is very big. For some products shipped to customers here in the U.S., it’s actually getting cheaper to manufacture them in Alabama and South Carolina than in China — and reliable, low-cost energy is a big factor in this.


110 posted on 03/12/2016 7:38:58 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Bye bye, William Frawley!)
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To: central_va

My post hasn’t been removed by the moderator yet.


111 posted on 03/12/2016 7:39:47 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Bye bye, William Frawley!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Cruz is a bought and paid for insider


112 posted on 03/12/2016 7:40:26 PM PST by Third Person (Andmoreagain)
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To: Iscool

I take him seriously already...Who in the running would know more about how to change the system to benefit the U.S.??? He knows exactly why he’s offshoring...He knows exactly what it would take to get his companies into America...


and yet he criticizes other companies for doing what he is doing. for instance, trump slammed oreos for outsourcing to mexico said he wouldn’t eat another oreo. how does that rhetoric show trump knows how to bring companies back to America...it doesn’t


113 posted on 03/12/2016 7:42:08 PM PST by RginTN
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To: central_va

Trump is the only Republican in the race. The rest are Repulicants’’

Trump is in the Republican Party.. But he plays to his own tune.. He is a Trumplican or A Trumpecrat!!


114 posted on 03/12/2016 7:42:14 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Redmen4ever

Hey, Genius, when will you name one area or job that doesn’t have enough citizens to fill?

Cat got your tongue, Genius?


115 posted on 03/12/2016 7:43:55 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: combat_boots
A major Japanese car maker has opened a huge plant. I know someone in the deal. It employs 2 people.

I can believe that...

116 posted on 03/12/2016 7:44:09 PM PST by Iscool (Trump will Triumph)
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To: Jim Robinson

Long Beach NavSta

Chicoms >>>> S.Koreans

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117 posted on 03/12/2016 7:47:28 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: Lagmeister

“The key was NAFTA. That started the wholesale loss.”

The NAFTA agreement is over 1700 pages long. The WTO agreements require over 30,000 pages. The proposed TPP agreement is 5544 pages long.

How could any agreements requiring thousands of pages to document have anything to do with freedom or free trade?


118 posted on 03/12/2016 7:50:22 PM PST by Soul of the South (Tomorrow is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: central_va
90% of manufacturing workers are non union. 90%

That's the case now...And most of those non union manufacturing jobs are subsidized with food stamps due to the low wages...The standard of living has dropped substantially...

Interestingly, when there was a large union presence in the workforce, the non union shops paid well generally speaking to compete for the workers in the union shops...

I am not advocating bringing back the unions...I am advocating for good paying non union jobs...

119 posted on 03/12/2016 7:51:37 PM PST by Iscool (Trump will Triumph)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

When you can’t make a decent profit otherwise. If you are a company with stockholders, you’ll go down the tubes pretty quickly when your stock price continues to drop or no dividends are paid.


120 posted on 03/12/2016 7:52:02 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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