Posted on 04/17/2016 7:16:02 AM PDT by Kaslin
Don’t forget Utah, where the polling was something like (no memory - maybe 45-50%) for Cruz, but he won with something like 70%.... because they passed out multiple ballots to people who marked them all for Cruz.
It sounds like Trump is already making excuses of why he is losing in the west. Mr. Trump you’re in the lead. You are going to easily win this thing right? Well sir, put up or shut up!
If Trump were so sure of his victory, he would not be complaining about 37 little delegates. 37 of 1237 is not worth sneezing about if you are Donald Trump. If Trump wins the nomination, people from Wyoming may ask where he was during the primaries.
Look sonnybob, you have no facts. Your guy is a fake, who if we use rational common sense and look at his life, is highly unlikely to do any of the things all you Trumpbot think he is going to do. This is about his ego. If you can’t see that its because you refuse to look at him in reality. Honorable trustworthy people don’t act like Trump.
Cruz on the other hand has a long history of being a strong honorable patriotic constitutional conservative who lays out his plan for all to see and then does exactly what he says he would do. He is none of the vile things Trump bashes him with and you know it.
If you want to discuss issues honestly and honorably, I’ll be happy to be right there with you, but beware that I do not suffer fools well.
8 minutes of Lyin’ Ted Cruz Lyin’ about Trump:
https://amp.twimg.com/v/745e21cb-199f-4ffb-8238-8c5f67810ef1
Cruz takes the low road every time.
Okay, let’s be rational. Say Cruz wins on a 2nd ballot at the convention, after Trump goes into the convention a little short of 1237, but having won the majority of votes, the majority of delegates, and the majority of states.
Limping and bloodied coming out of a contested convention that Republican voters have been saying they do not want (look at the polls), what is Cruz’s path to 270? Look at an electoral map and, being rational, find me a path. It’s not there.
In addition to the Romney states, Cruz will have to win VA, FL, OH, and NV, all states he came in a distant third. All states where he wasn’t popular even before all the shenanigans began. All states that were blue in 2008 and 2012. These are 50-50 states, which cannot be won unless he holds the entire base together and gets moderates and independents to crossover.
What percentage of Trump voters, who feel disenfranchised by events in Cleveland, have to stay home in any one of those four states before Cruz can’t win? A very small percentage.
I’ve asked this question to several Cruz supporters. Most of the time I get crickets back, but two of them have admitted to me that Cruz can’t win. Hence my tagline.
Good!
First- “but having won the majority of votes, the majority of delegates, and the majority of states”
If Trump comes to the convention with majority of delegates, he’s the nominee, fair and square.
Majority of votes and majority of States is not a part of the equation, only majority of delegates counts. Trump should have known that from the gitgo (he did of course, the Walter act is just for you guys).
Because of the way Trump has chosen to campaign, he is very unlikely to win 1237 on a 2nd or subsequent ballots. A SERIOUS candidate can not piss down the backs of everyone who holds the cards and long-time political hack RNC Delegates hold those cards. Too many bridges unnecessarily burned.
Second - “what is Cruz’s path to 270?”
Because nobama and the Democrats has so alienated so many and from knowing history of many elections, I have been long convinced that ANY Republican will beat ANY Democrat this election.
This is our one last chance to correct liberalism that has gradually chocked America since FDR. We better get it right and with a real conservative this time! Cruz will do exactly that!
Third - “Trump voters, who feel disenfranchised”. I suspect that most are actually truly patriotic and will regain their sanity when Trump quits inciting them to act like him and his 4th grade Playground bully act (yes, Trump is acting. He is first and foremost a promoter).
For those that will pout and not vote, were likely to do the same even if Trump had never come on the scene. They are the same bunch that sat out 2012 and gave us Nobama 2.
Those may not be what you wanted to hear, but that is as close as one can come while being honest and rational.
Originally I was certain Trump and Cruz had something worked out between them and that would be damn OK for me. Suddenly when Cruz started moving up in the polls for Iowa, Trump turned on the nasty. It was just too obvious! That turned me off to Trump because I knew that Cruz was not any of the things Trump or his followers smeared him with.
“I have been long convinced that ANY Republican will beat ANY Democrat this election.”
In a normal year, absolutely. But not this year. Not coming out of a contested election that splits the party. If Cruz had gotten to 1237, I’d say his chance was good. But not after the voters get an up close and personal look at the mess we’re going to put on display in Cleveland if it goes past a first ballot.
“I suspect that most are actually truly patriotic and will regain their sanity when Trump quits inciting them to act like him and his 4th grade Playground bully act...”
It will only take a few percent in a few battleground states to stay home and it’s all over. Republican voters have proven the last two cycles that they’re perfectly willing to do that.
You nailed it; the American people are too uninformed to have heard of de Tocqueville.
If you really want to hold a genuine dialog and hold any credibility, you need to remove the Trump rose colored glasses. Not advocating jumping from Trump, just “consider” reality.
Whenever Trump stops the agitation and the masses see how boring a Convention really is, it will be surprising (to some) how FEW voters give two hoots about how the GOP makes their sausage and will be happy to not have to hear again this “political crap” until late September.
Either hitlery or Bernie are the worst possible candidates the dems could run. Even Yeb would not have had trouble beating them like a rented mule.
You lack objectivity because you don’t understand who many Trump supporters are, how angry they are, nor do you know how many of them are perfectly willing to burn the GOP down and piss on its ashes, if it comes to that. You are a traditional conservative Republican voter. Nothing wrong with that at all. I used to be one, too, until I looked behind the curtain.
Trump voters, large numbers of them, are not like you. They don’t think like you and they will not behave as you so shortsightedly and arrogantly predict. They are finished being sheep on the R plantation, sheered periodically for money and votes, and then conveniently ignored until the next time they’re needed.
Many others are first time voters, disaffected white males who are both economically distressed and sick of being blamed for all of society’s ills. They see Trump as a means to redress their grievances. They are hopeful, many for the first time in a long time. Remove that hope, and their anger will find an outlet, one way or another.
If you want to actually open your mind and become informed about what this movement is, look into Bikers for Trump, check out the Trump guys on Reddit, investigate the alt right. These are not people who will quietly go away. They are certainly not people who will obligingly pull a lever for Cruz because the Republican party needs their vote to defeat Hillary. They will kamikaze vote up and down the ticket in revenge. Plans are already being made to do just that, and more, if Trump wins a plurality of delegates and is denied the nomination. I’m not advocating their actions; I’m telling you what they are going to do.
After a contested convention, Cruz will not be president. These guys will make sure of it, and all your wishful thinking and confident assertions that this time is really like all the other times, isn’t going to change that. Because this time is different.
The next president will be named Trump or Clinton. Bet on it.
And with that, I’m done. It’s obvious to me your mind is closed. So, investigate if you dare. You might learn something. Or not. Either way, good day to you.
2016 is ether the year of Trump and the rebirth of the GOP into a right of center American first party or the end of the party. There won't a Cruz presidency no matter how much you want it and there won't be a Conservative movement left after Cruz gets done sullying the brand after a convention coup. You have 2 choices: Trump and conservitive nationalism or Hillery and 3ed world Muslim invasion. Choose wisely.
Let’s see, your Bikers for Trump.... one of em openly advocated rioting and STABBING people in Cleveland on FR.
I grew up with and worked with Trumpbot type folks for a mighty long time and I know exactly who they are and how they think. Most are too lazy to actually try to work to change the system and are mostly libertarian without brains enough to know it.
Indeed Trump has captured their minds. If he wasn’t pointing at the GOP, it would just be someone else to hate on his behalf.
Exactly the sort of people I do not want for friends, because they really don’t know how to be friends. Its all about “them”.
When it all said and done, those that refuse to vote against hitlery, most likely never voted much anyway and sure as hell have not one loyalty cell in their body. So when they are gone, no one will know the difference.
It didn’t take long before you ran out of “discussion” and went into threaten mode and then grab up your marbles to run home. Just as I predicted.
You will not be missed after the convention.
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