Posted on 08/21/2018 9:51:44 AM PDT by mandaladon
ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) — The Latest on the Paul Manafort trial (all times local):
11:45 a.m.
The jury in the financial fraud trial of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort wants to know what to do if it cannot reach a consensus for a single count in the case.
Jurors posed the question to U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III on their fourth day of deliberations. They also said they would need a new verdict form.
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That is the way I took the note to mean. I have served as a jury foreman on everything from a murder trial to first degree assault to civil trials. You never know what you are going to get in deliberations. I have sat on juries with: businessmen, husbands, housewives, retired men and women, working and unemployed single moms and dads, college students, college educated, school dropouts and ner-do-wells barely staying out of jail themselves. You just never know what you are going to encounter in deliberations.
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“OK. You’ve gotta knock heads and get “the answer”; one of ya says guilty on all but 1, and the other says hung on all 17.
Which is it and where’d you find out from?”
They are both guessing, you know that, right???
See # 58
Yes I believe Trump will either pardon Manafort or at a minimum commute his sentence to time served and order his immediate release from prison!
Sounds like the jury will acquit Manafort on all but one count. On the remaining count, the jury is hung.
My mother was called for jury duty once and she said that at first she wasn’t sure if she was in the jury pool room or the holding area for the defendents.
They said it in a similar way in Blazing Saddles.
Question to Manafort Juror:
“Hey, they told me you were hung.”
Manafort Juror: “They were right.”
Just those facts provides reasonable doubt.
A conviction on ONE count? PDJT will pardon it in a heartbeat.
That’s all conjecture.
You don’t know that Trump was unaware of the recusal
You don’t know that Sessions has refused to resign
You don’t know if he has ever even been asked to resign
You don’t know Trump wants to fire him
You don’t know that the Senate would not hold a vote
And apparently you have either not been paying attention or have not drawn common sense conclusions. We know for certain from what both Sessions and Trump have said publicly that Sessions did not inform Trump of his intention to recuse before Sessions took the job. We know he refuses to resign despite the public excoriation heaped on Sessions by Trump. We know the president has been threatened by Republican senators that they would not move an AG nomination if Trump fired Sessions. We know all that and more from the public record. But you seem to be among the few who need a brick wall to fall on them before they see the problem.
The Mueller team says that Manafort avoided taxes on foreign income. Then they say that he took out US loans fraudulently (bank fraud) to fund his expensive life style.
If he was living off loan proceeds, that is not income that is taxable. If he no declaring foreign income, then why does he need to borrow money? It just doesn't ring true. One or the other, but both seems to just seem like they are saying everything possible about him and hoping some juror will believe some of each.
Tuesday was a lucky day for Imran Awan, the former IT administrator for Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla. A federal judge sentenced him to three months of supervised release and no fine for one count of bank fraud – sparing him any jail time.
Awan could have faced much more serious charges and a long prison sentence if he had been tried and convicted on accusations that he ran a spy ring inside Congress and stole congressional computer equipment.
Yet stunningly, Awan was not charged with those crimes. Instead, federal prosecutors ignored their own compelling evidence implicating him in the spy ring and exonerated him.
This is what happens when the establishment and the mainstream media collude to cover up a Democratic scandal.
A flash across my screen said he was convicted on eight counts? I can’t find any info tho
“We know all that and more from the public record. But you seem to be among the few who need a brick wall to fall on them before they see the problem.”
No, I just need actual facts - these things you claim to know are questionable to say the least.
1) If we follow Sessions’ public testimony, it doesn’t really make sense that Trump was caught off guard by Sessions’s recusal. The overriding theme of his confirmation hearing was his effort to assuage their concerns regarding conflict of interest in light of the fact that he was involved in the Trump campaign. He was asked a dozen times by Dick Durbin and others whether he would recuse himself from any jurisdiction presenting potential conflicts, and was presented with numerous hypotheticals, including that of a hypothetical Russian/Trump collusion investigation (remember, this predated the Mueller investigation) and answered numerous times in the affirmative and assured the committee that he would recuse himself from anything he should recuse himself from. Trump has no basis for feeling betrayed or blindsided.
2) Not resigning in the face of “public excoriation” is not the same as refusing to resign. Refusing to resign is when you are asked to resign but you refuse. You don’t know for a fact that Trump even wants Sesdions to resign.
3) The idea that Senate Republicans would block confirmation of a replacement AG should Trump fire Jeff Sessions arose from a statement made by Grassly in the fall of 2017 that specifically related to 2017. He was saying the 2017 schedule was full and that there was no way Trump would get a new AG confirmed in 2017. This statement has been touted over and over again by Sessions haters as the explanation for why Trump “can’t fire Sessions”.
You don’t know that Trump even wants to fire Sessions.
Like I said, you don’t know what you claim to know.
You are entitled to your opinions regarding Trump’s opinion of and working relationship with Jeff Sessions - but you won’t really “know” until you read the Trump Memoirs after he leaves office.
What he chooses to say in his tweets is for broad public consumption - it’s what he wants the public to hear (including the fake news, the deep state, and his strongest supporters, and everyone else) You have to assume there is the occasional misdirection.
I read that as they’re stuck on ONE count, not that they cannot reach consensus on any.
You’re right that the wording smacks of a colloquial usage of “not a single count” as in “not any,” but in the broader context that isn’t the flavor I got.
Of course, it’s an academic discussion, now, but useful as an illustration of how a choice of words can easily suggest more than one take on the topic at hand.
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