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On Gun Confiscation: "Here's How It Might Actually Go Down"
Organic prepper ^ | 22DEC18 | Selco via Daisy Luther's Organic prepper

Posted on 12/23/2018 2:00:52 AM PST by vannrox

After reading a couple of articles about magazines/weapon news from New Jersey – actually, after reading a lot of comments from people on that news-  I have the urge to write this article. It is written from the survivalist point of view. There is, of course, the possible danger to get comments like “What the hell do you know Selco? You are not American, shut up!” Because I am going to be “poking” a few sacred cows here.

So…

Right now, this is not the rise of communism.

“Stalin is coming.”

I do not think this all news is about “rise of communism” in the US, and also I do think that you still live in a land with a lot of great rights and liberties, which is very cool.

What is not cool is the fact that you are moving in the direction of slowly “shrinking” of those rights. But it is still very far away from a “communistic evil empire”, so I do not see sense in having big headlines about Nazis and such other than scaring people for whatever reason.

Weapon rights and the government

I see here something which is much more dangerous than the fear of communism.

It is how people react to news or new laws about any weapon limitation. It’s how they talk about what the majority of them are planning to do.

Government at its core has the urge to control people in whatever way they can.  If you are more armed that means you are less controllable.

But if you are acting in a way that you are screaming from the rooftops how you “will defend your right to have (whatever) weapon (contrary) to the newest law” and how you’ll “be proud to own i, and to show it”  you eventually are not doing yourself any favors.

Do you really think that when the time comes that the government will send two pale clerks to search your home looking for whatever weapon?

Nope.

Here’s how confiscation might actually go down.

Here is how it might actually go down. This is one possible scenario:

First, you’ll be labeled as a terrorist, some weird guy who wants to overthrow the government. Maybe your photo will be posted somewhere stating that you are very sick, and that you pose a danger to society.

If you are a member of some group, let’s say a prepper group, you all will be labeled as terrorists first, and through the media, you can be portrayed as a domestic terror cell, to the point that your next door neighbor will help police to get you.

Do not underestimate the power of the government machine. You may truly be a fighter for constitutional rights and a real patriot, but in 3 days you can become a crazy terrorist that citizens will actually hunt down and shoot like a mad dog.

The point here is there is no point of publicly “yelling” about what you own and what are your rights to own.

Of course, you need to own weapons that you think it makes sense to own.

But why does everybody else need to know that, including government and government services?

The 2nd Amendment

The 2nd Amendment is very cool, and I like it very much, but here is the ugly truth:

It works only if the government wants it to work.

One day, when the government does not want it to work anymore it will be out of order, illegal, or even terrorist to practice it.

Sorry, it is not your inalienable right. The government lets you THINK  it is your inalienable right.

Actually, you do need to protect that right. You need to defend it.

But again not in a way that you gonna portray yourself as a terrorist. I mean, I will own what I want to own, and only I am gonna know that untill the day when I need it very badly.

Owning weapons

There used to be a law about weapons here, where I live, before the war. And yes, you could own a weapon but it was such a hard law that actually not too many people owned legal weapons.

And right when the SHTthe F, first thing that happened was the confiscation of legal weapons, based on lists of who own legal weapons.

Now what people could do then was to say, “This is my legal weapon. I have a right to own it, by the law.” And those who did that usually got shot.

There were 20 heavily armed guys at your door asking nicely for your weapon, to be turned over to them in the name of “law” as an effort of a government that wanted to calm down a chaotic situation.

Sometimes if you said no, those guys would simply destroy the whole house with RPGs and bombs.

And guess what that meant?

Folks who owned legal weapon lost them even before the big SHTF. And a lot of guys who owned them in an illegal way hidden somewhere still own them when SHTF.

Illegal and legal have different meanings in different times and based who says those words, so think about it.

I am not saying that it will go like that there where you are. What I do say is you that you need to think a bit outside the box when it comes to owning things.

My thoughts on this

For many years I found it ridiculous not to have an illegal (not traceable) weapon stored somewhere safe for the bad times.

When SHTF and when (if) guys show up on my doorstep to confiscate my weapon what will I do?

I will give them the weapon that they know about. What else I should do?

Practice my rights?

Nope.

I have more of that stuff. It’s not worth it to fight over the one they know about.

What could be coming for the future?

Again I do not really see the government taking away all rights of owning a weapon as a possibility there. The tradition of firearms is simply way too big, and also the number of weapons is too big, too.

But what is possible is the rapid shrinking of that right through some big event, in an effort of getting things back to normal.

When something big happens and there is big fear and terror, people are ready to “give away” a lot of rights and liberties in exchange for the feeling of safety and security. This is wrong of course but it is how things work.

So actually you never know, anything is possible.

One bad side of having rights and freedoms for a long time (in owning weapon) is thinking it is always gonna be like that.

Or thinking it must be like that.

The “good side” of not having good gun rights is having a tradition of having ALWAYS hidden somewhere an illegal weapon. Always.

And only you know about it and maybe your family.

There is no need to brag about that anywhere else.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; control; democrat; dhs; gun
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To: mrmeyer
Only if there is still an Internet, so we can learn about it quickly enough.

If government ever makes this decision, killing 20% of Americans to accomplish it will be seen by the deciders as a fringe benefit - not a liability.

41 posted on 12/23/2018 6:33:02 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: mosaicwolf
It has been out of print for some time and the last time I looked for a friend a used copy was going for over $200.00!

I think there was a reprinting several years ago. I bought three copies and don't think I paid over $15 a copy.

I think I purchased through the John Ross website.

42 posted on 12/23/2018 6:39:02 AM PST by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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To: vannrox
More information on Selco, SHTF School. Good stuff.

SHTF School

43 posted on 12/23/2018 6:41:34 AM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: vannrox

20 bad guys showing up at your front door doing the second act of General Gage is gonna result in a few gun fights.

Won’t happen, unless they want to go against the world’s biggest armed force in the world, which is millions and millions of deer hunters against less than one million armed LEO.

that ain’t happening.

Practice my rights?

Nope.

I have more of that stuff. It’s not worth it to fight over the one they know about.

Besides the unfortunate boating accident....


44 posted on 12/23/2018 6:46:22 AM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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To: vannrox

Very good for others to know I have two signed copies.

So I well not be needing it.


45 posted on 12/23/2018 6:48:54 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Psalm 73

Yeah, and I’d like to know how it’s only that numbers given that for year there have been around 2 million NICS a month.

That’s 24 million in one year and well over , a guesstimate, of 150 million in the last ten years alone...


46 posted on 12/23/2018 6:49:56 AM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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To: Candor7

If even “10 heavily armed guys” show up at your door they won’t be “asking nicely”. It’ll be a no-knock raid against a declared terror suspect, and it will happen at 3AM. (I agree with that part of the post about designating gun-owners as terrorists).


47 posted on 12/23/2018 6:51:06 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: CheneyClone

Stopped reading at organic.


48 posted on 12/23/2018 6:51:42 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: mrmeyer

The 20 nice men from the government will be masked, and probably do not reside in the immediate area.


49 posted on 12/23/2018 6:52:38 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: vannrox

There will be a lot of government-initiated SWAT calls saying someone has serious concerns.......


50 posted on 12/23/2018 6:53:06 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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To: Comment Not Approved
"I find it ironic that someone so concerned with gun rights would voluntarily move to a country where there are ... none."

Maybe others find the same to be ironic. Maybe that's a reason for some of the commentary dissonance in the thread. I coined a phrase there (commentary dissonance). ;-)


51 posted on 12/23/2018 6:54:17 AM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: vannrox

Social Credit Score. Owning a gun will reduce your SCS below the level that permits you to purchase ,say, gasoline or airplane tickets. You will be offered a way to increase your score by turning in your guns. The score will continue to decline if you continue to keep your guns to the point that food purchases get a surcharge and becomes too expensive for you to buy. This is all being brought to you by China and Google and Apple. It will be put in place along with the banning of non electronic money.


52 posted on 12/23/2018 6:58:53 AM PST by arthurus (bkkk)
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To: riverrunner

“Every gun owner should read Unintended Consequences by John Ross if they ever think they might be involve in defending their 2nd amendment rights.”

Yup


53 posted on 12/23/2018 7:01:46 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE
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To: Dr. Pritchett; Candor7; riverrunner; Windflier

Have you seen this? Interesting, no?

License-to-Kill Policing to Get a Trial Run in Rio de Janeiro
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3714826/posts


54 posted on 12/23/2018 7:14:19 AM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: super7man

bump


55 posted on 12/23/2018 7:15:19 AM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's fore sure)
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To: vannrox

Thank’s just downloaded it, seems to be a good read so far.


56 posted on 12/23/2018 7:23:21 AM PST by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's lie, only while testifying, as taught in their respected Police Academy(s).)
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To: arthurus

A Hungry,
Broke gun owner.

Like cornering a
Big Red Badger.


57 posted on 12/23/2018 7:38:38 AM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: mrmeyer

“And those 20 have a home address, and family as do those that sent them “

“Those that sent them” being the focus.


58 posted on 12/23/2018 7:41:46 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: All

I had some conversations with my good friend who has family in law enforcement. This was their opinion on what they eventually see coming if Democrats keep pushing for gun control. How it would go down is that everyone would be forced to store all their weapons at a local secured law enforcement facility for public safety. You can check your gun out at any time and for any legal reason - but you must return it within a set amount of time. If you fail to return it within the allotted time you may forfeit the use of your weapon until you are investigated and ultimately pay a penalty (tax). Repeated late returns or not returning your weapon could be a felony and you would lose your gun rights.

Democrats....the enemy within.


59 posted on 12/23/2018 7:42:50 AM PST by ThE_RiPpEr. (The Obamanation is over “Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last”)
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To: vannrox

That would rile too many people up in the foreseeable future I think. Seems like their best plan is just to wait until we are much farther down the cultural slope and to keep as many people as possible obese and super-entertained in the meantime. Eventually only a very small % will be able to imagine getting off the couch much less willing to fight to keep their guns.

Freegards


60 posted on 12/23/2018 7:42:54 AM PST by Ransomed
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