Posted on 12/23/2018 2:00:52 AM PST by vannrox
After reading a couple of articles about magazines/weapon news from New Jersey – actually, after reading a lot of comments from people on that news- I have the urge to write this article. It is written from the survivalist point of view. There is, of course, the possible danger to get comments like “What the hell do you know Selco? You are not American, shut up!” Because I am going to be “poking” a few sacred cows here.
So…
“Stalin is coming.”
I do not think this all news is about “rise of communism” in the US, and also I do think that you still live in a land with a lot of great rights and liberties, which is very cool.
What is not cool is the fact that you are moving in the direction of slowly “shrinking” of those rights. But it is still very far away from a “communistic evil empire”, so I do not see sense in having big headlines about Nazis and such other than scaring people for whatever reason.
I see here something which is much more dangerous than the fear of communism.
It is how people react to news or new laws about any weapon limitation. It’s how they talk about what the majority of them are planning to do.
Government at its core has the urge to control people in whatever way they can. If you are more armed that means you are less controllable.
But if you are acting in a way that you are screaming from the rooftops how you “will defend your right to have (whatever) weapon (contrary) to the newest law” and how you’ll “be proud to own i, and to show it” you eventually are not doing yourself any favors.
Do you really think that when the time comes that the government will send two pale clerks to search your home looking for whatever weapon?
Nope.
Here is how it might actually go down. This is one possible scenario:
First, you’ll be labeled as a terrorist, some weird guy who wants to overthrow the government. Maybe your photo will be posted somewhere stating that you are very sick, and that you pose a danger to society.
If you are a member of some group, let’s say a prepper group, you all will be labeled as terrorists first, and through the media, you can be portrayed as a domestic terror cell, to the point that your next door neighbor will help police to get you.
Do not underestimate the power of the government machine. You may truly be a fighter for constitutional rights and a real patriot, but in 3 days you can become a crazy terrorist that citizens will actually hunt down and shoot like a mad dog.
The point here is there is no point of publicly “yelling” about what you own and what are your rights to own.
Of course, you need to own weapons that you think it makes sense to own.
But why does everybody else need to know that, including government and government services?
The 2nd Amendment is very cool, and I like it very much, but here is the ugly truth:
It works only if the government wants it to work.
One day, when the government does not want it to work anymore it will be out of order, illegal, or even terrorist to practice it.
Sorry, it is not your inalienable right. The government lets you THINK it is your inalienable right.
Actually, you do need to protect that right. You need to defend it.
But again not in a way that you gonna portray yourself as a terrorist. I mean, I will own what I want to own, and only I am gonna know that untill the day when I need it very badly.
There used to be a law about weapons here, where I live, before the war. And yes, you could own a weapon but it was such a hard law that actually not too many people owned legal weapons.
And right when the SHTthe F, first thing that happened was the confiscation of legal weapons, based on lists of who own legal weapons.
Now what people could do then was to say, “This is my legal weapon. I have a right to own it, by the law.” And those who did that usually got shot.
There were 20 heavily armed guys at your door asking nicely for your weapon, to be turned over to them in the name of “law” as an effort of a government that wanted to calm down a chaotic situation.
Sometimes if you said no, those guys would simply destroy the whole house with RPGs and bombs.
And guess what that meant?
Folks who owned legal weapon lost them even before the big SHTF. And a lot of guys who owned them in an illegal way hidden somewhere still own them when SHTF.
Illegal and legal have different meanings in different times and based who says those words, so think about it.
I am not saying that it will go like that there where you are. What I do say is you that you need to think a bit outside the box when it comes to owning things.
For many years I found it ridiculous not to have an illegal (not traceable) weapon stored somewhere safe for the bad times.
When SHTF and when (if) guys show up on my doorstep to confiscate my weapon what will I do?
I will give them the weapon that they know about. What else I should do?
Practice my rights?
Nope.
I have more of that stuff. It’s not worth it to fight over the one they know about.
Again I do not really see the government taking away all rights of owning a weapon as a possibility there. The tradition of firearms is simply way too big, and also the number of weapons is too big, too.
But what is possible is the rapid shrinking of that right through some big event, in an effort of getting things back to normal.
When something big happens and there is big fear and terror, people are ready to “give away” a lot of rights and liberties in exchange for the feeling of safety and security. This is wrong of course but it is how things work.
So actually you never know, anything is possible.
One bad side of having rights and freedoms for a long time (in owning weapon) is thinking it is always gonna be like that.
Or thinking it must be like that.
The “good side” of not having good gun rights is having a tradition of having ALWAYS hidden somewhere an illegal weapon. Always.
And only you know about it and maybe your family.
There is no need to brag about that anywhere else.
Many posts argue that gun confiscation can’t happen in the US because there are too many guns and too many gun owners. I think this grossly oversimplified and wrong. First, there must be a distinction between mass or universal gun confiscation and more limited gun confiscations. The government is not going to announce a universal gun confiscation because that would arouse the passions of gun owners in vast numbers beyond the capacity of the government to enforce. Public awareness of even a long term plan to achieve universal confiscation would cause 10’s of millions of gun owners to dig in and fight.
A much more likely scenario is a graduated plan without announced targets or goals. Legislation would be passed empowering law enforcement to confiscate guns for subjective, hard-to-precisely define reasons. For example, the chief of police or sheriff of each jurisdiction would be authorized to confiscate all weapons from individuals with reported mental health “issues”. Or the language could be “in the interest of public safety” or “based on a pattern of threatening social media activity”. In practice, the law would be used very selectively at first so as to minimize a sense of urgency or alarm. No one is going to come running to defend the one or two people in their town who might be subject to gun confiscation that just might be for a legitimate reason.
IMHO, it would proceed from there like the frog in the hot water, the government gradually ratcheting up enforcement and expanding categories and definitions slowly until, one day there is no longer a sufficient number of gun owners in each community to defend their neighbors against gun confiscation and law enforcement will have no deterrent to make it universal.
I’m not saying this will happen, but I don’t think you can rely on the sheer numbers alone. Rather what is needed is Vigilance, awareness, political activism and, finally, the willingness to take action if all else fails.
Ping for a good read.
That is the tipping point. How do they plan on forcing people to take their weapons to a public locker?
Its free, I just downloaded it. Nazi? Really?
Um, they don’t go out in public anymore. They have servants doing everything.
Let me guess. You're one of those "true blue patriots" who believes that all is lost, and that there's nothing we can do to fight back.
Is that what you believe? If so, why are you here?
If they are at your door, it is too late, for you. If they come for your neighbors, consider it your last warning. One thing to keep in mind, if someone is across the street, what they own and love is somewhere else, and at that particular time, probably unguarded.
Hide your guns and wait for the right moment to use them. Civil disobedience is a must should we ever get to that point.
JoMz
Nope there is not nothing we can do, I just claim that we won't. It will have to get much much worse before the people will rise from their stupor.
Those here that think Huber's investigation will produce indictments and trials are the same ones that beat their chest and claim they will never take their guns seem to totally ignore what happened at Waco and sat on their duffs while it happened, in Texas no less.
If Clinton had sent the military in to disarm the whole population of Waco, you would have seen a very different response.
What unfolded there was disgraceful, I agree, but it was a targeted attack on one small group who were painted as weirdos and kooks. That is why the locals didn’t rise up to stop it. Also, no one realized just how far the feds would push things in that incident, until it happened.
In retrospect, we are all shamed.
Small Group painted as weirdos. Could have been your neighbor or anyone and that is how they do it. Remember how we painted the Hun and the Nip during WW II?
I watched Jack Brooks hearing justifying the attack, he was disgusting.
A fool learns from his mistakes. A truly wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
You missed my broader point.
If they'd tried to do that to the whole city of Waco, the entire region would have resisted with deadly force.
This is why they'll never come for our guns. It would spark an armed conflict and they'd be the losers.
They know this, which is why they've gradually tried to peel our guns away from us with gun control laws and propaganda.
They won’t be breaking down every door, just enough doors to scare the weaker ones to give them up voluntarily, lest they follow those who were the examples.
I have pointed out previously that when they are going to go “full confiscation” they are going to know exactly where your weapons are located by scanning your home with radar and backscatter scanners before they ever approach. They will do this scanning at night while you’re asleep, hit your home with a “source” via drones and know every inch of your abode. You won’t have a chance... The no-knock warrant will allow them to kick the door down and basically execute you when you reach for your weapon to defend yourself.
Nonetheless; he has seen a lot of stuff and much of his advice and cautions are very practical and would apply anywhere.
Well that cheers me Up.
I’m moving to Alaska so
The Spooks can freeze.
They'll all have the same home address - a robotics factory in China.
The police and especially the military are not eager, if willing at all, to go door-to-door confiscating guns from Americans. Squads of combat robot avatars controlled remotely by contractors offshore or acting according to autonomous programming, will have zero compunction. It may be difficult if not impossible to find a human-in-the-loop to intimidate.
The first confiscations are the beginning of CWII.
That very day, everyone, everywhere.
Quite a few years ago the Governor of Tennessee tried to get an income tax passed to fund the government.
Hundreds of people drove round and round the State House honking their horns to stop the debate on the bill.
Several legislators leading the charge received death threats -— the people told the legislators that, if income tax was passed, and they didn’t pay, the government would send people with guns to collect the money … so the people would short cut the process and kill the legislators now rather than kill the cops later.
This is how Phil Valentine got his start on radio.
BFL
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