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The culture war is lost
Spectator ^ | December 23, 2019 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 12/28/2019 7:56:36 PM PST by lasereye

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To: ocrp1982; bigbob; lasereye

BigBlob is the twin of BumblingGunner (or maybe they’re one and the same). They are self appointed posting Nazis.

Ignore them.


21 posted on 12/28/2019 9:13:00 PM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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To: lasereye

Gay’s are a yawn... they’re NOT the culture war.


22 posted on 12/28/2019 9:16:02 PM PST by GOPJ (Washington Post & NYT (protectors of corrupt white liberaul elites) sell out their country.)
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To: Olog-hai

“Why use the term that leftists call conservatives?”


Because they turned it into a slur to frighten us into just being conservative.

It’s Time we embrace it and push back.


23 posted on 12/28/2019 9:16:47 PM PST by Farcesensitive
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To: lasereye

“...As we know, Trump doesn’t care about that. ...”

When you’re not bought, paid for, and owned, you are ABLE to not care. He’s got enough “F-You money” to insulate himself.


24 posted on 12/28/2019 9:19:46 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: lasereye

Yeah...we’re 30 years post-Reagan. Things look bleak, post-Trump.


25 posted on 12/28/2019 9:20:24 PM PST by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: Farcesensitive

Yes we do. But it probably won’t happen. I can’t see the whole country turning back to God without the Tribulation to knock some sense into them.

At Focus on the Family, they say to be reformed three things have to happen: God has to get your attention, you have to call upon him for help, and three, he will send people into your life who will lead you and help you.


26 posted on 12/28/2019 9:27:06 PM PST by firebrand (like the mule who could finally sing the national anthem)
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To: lasereye

“The SJWs are highly illiberal, extremely moralistic leftists focused obsessively on sex, gender and race. They are strongly motivated to exercise power against their perceived enemies. Their power derives from their support at elite universities, among fellow travelers in the media and, bizarrely, within leading corporations, who have pioneered woke capitalism as a marketing method.”

There is a very simple reason why corporations support SJWs and it’s not at all bizarre.

Corporation by their nature are amoral. Their reason for existence is the bottom line. Most of all they don’t want a mob descending on them and causing havoc, bad publicity, organized boycotts and crashing sales. Who needs that?

The left has been superb at scaring the crap out of the CEOs with their activism and their mobs. They are quick to pounce on any company that strays from the social justice agenda, and to make their lives miserable.

What have we on the right done in response? NOTHING! We’ve sat on our asses while the left has taken over most corporations by threatening to make their lives miserable.

So if you’re a CEO of a major corporation and you are faced with the choice of supporting someone who will cause you unbearable pain if you don’t kowtow to their demands, versus someone who will do absolutely nothing to you regardless of what you do, who are you going to support?

We could have kept the corporations o our side if we only had made their lives even more miserable than the left did. But we chose not to.


27 posted on 12/28/2019 9:36:28 PM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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To: lasereye

It’s only lost if you believe the moronic MSM view of things.


28 posted on 12/28/2019 9:37:06 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: lasereye
Chick-fil-A sells fried chicken.

Has he ever been to a Chik-fil-A? They don't sell fried chicken. Lots of different chicken, but fried, I don't remember seeing.

29 posted on 12/28/2019 9:56:17 PM PST by SamuraiScot (am)
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To: Farcesensitive

That “slur” is over a century and a half old already. Not saying we ought not embrace it after a fashion since it really has no sting but is an amusing caricature, but if we abandon “conservative”, they’ve won a victory there since it implies we’re willing to compromise the Constitution.


30 posted on 12/28/2019 10:01:39 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: SamuraiScot

This Dreher fellow displays utter ignorance there. He’s a refugee from Kristol’s sunken ship, the notoriously never-Trump Weakly Standard, never mind several other pseudo-conservative and openly liberal outlets (NPR and MSDNC for example).


31 posted on 12/28/2019 10:05:13 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I am interested in the prospects you see. I view the following issues as part of the “culture war,” and given trends in SCOTUS jurisprudence and American public opinion I wonder where you think victory is possible. How will it happen, and how and why, on any of these issues?

1. Gay marriage as constitutional right.
2. A return to the criminalization of homosexual activity, or a return to the attitude that homosexuals should remain closeted.
3. A return to teacher-led prayer in public schools. (Anyone remember when that was a major issue?)
4. The authorization of first-trimester restrictions on abortion,
5. A return to the widespread admiration and endorsement, in schools and in political activity, of Western political thought.
6. The complete replacement of diversity with individual merit as a determinant of university admissions, employment opportunities, etc.
7. The restoration of sexual monogamy within marriage as the goal for young people.
8. A return to an outlawing of marijuana in all states.

Note that all of these things are achievable, and maybe already in effect, in smaller (especially religious) communities. But other than (4), where there is some hope, I think the train has left the station on all of these questions. If you feel differently, how can policy on these matters be changed?

32 posted on 12/28/2019 10:23:35 PM PST by untenured
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To: lasereye
the catastrophic sex abuse scandals, which began in Boston in 2002, annihilated the moral authority of the Catholic church. . .

And yet, within Catholicism, the main result has been to keep the Leftist homosexuals out of the seminaries and bring the culture warriors in. The current generation of future priests is very traditional (lots of Latin), very conservative, very STRAIGHT, and eager to take on the sick culture. It's not a cush career anymore. It's combat. This will be interesting.

I wouldn't be shocked if Protestant seminaries were experiencing a parallel "flight to quality." Any intel on that?

33 posted on 12/28/2019 10:24:23 PM PST by SamuraiScot (am)
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To: Olog-hai; The Unknown Republican; CincyRichieRich; indthkr
Yeap....Mr Dreher wrote this past summer that Trump is "summoning demons" (Uh huh) in how he handled Rep Omar.

Candidly, I don't consider businesses and corporations as a barometer of the culture war. Businesses exist to maximize shareholder value. If there is a segment of society that has money to spend and isn't committing force nor fraud, then it would be irresponsible (if not illegal) for a business to discriminate.

I could care less if Chick-Fil-A raised a rainbow flag underneath the American flag, nor do I think culture is doomed if this happened. However, if NeverTrumpers like Mr Dreher had their way, you can bet your sweet bippy the acceleration of cultural decay would be stunning under President Hillary or President Biden vs that under Presdent Trump.

34 posted on 12/28/2019 10:32:27 PM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: lasereye

Give me a break. The “surrender in the Battle of Chick-fil-A was a monumental symbolic loss.” Who is the drama queen? Dreher? Typical loser without belief in the Lord’s resurrection.

Chick Fil A is a company with a good product and stupid advertising, like Energizer, Carl’s Jr. and Nike.

Culture war: understanding that all seven billion people have one enemy and one Messiah and we know who won two thousand years ago. Time to get with the program, Dreher.


35 posted on 12/28/2019 10:38:08 PM PST by Falconspeed
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To: untenured
If you feel differently, how can policy on these matters be changed?

Fertility. Religious conservatives of the current generation--Jewish, Catholic, Protestant (and unfortunately Moslem)--are having way more children per woman than anyone else in our culture. Yes, it's the long war. But so was the conquest of the West by Christianity the first time.

We should promote the immigration of conservative African Christians. They are solid, morally strict, and used to fighting for their faith.

36 posted on 12/28/2019 10:40:05 PM PST by SamuraiScot (am)
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To: Falconspeed

CFA was just another regional fast food joint until it took a stand. Now that it surrendered its values it is just another national corporation without morals.


37 posted on 12/28/2019 10:41:21 PM PST by lodi90
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To: SamuraiScot
I can see increased fertility as helping, although I don’t see how to make it happen. (Anyone know what current birth rates are among conservative young people, or how many of those there even are?)

If “we” “promote” preferential immigration treatment for African Christians, what are the chances this will actually happen? Immigration quotas are set by fedgov, and they are a long way from this kind of preferential policy.

You see? The problem is not failing to think about theoretically sound policies. The problem is making them reality in America c. 2020.

We are the America we are. This, I think, is kind of Mr. Dreher’s point.

38 posted on 12/28/2019 10:44:52 PM PST by untenured
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To: untenured; Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Where is divorce on your list? I would submit to you, that divorce has been more damaging and corrosive to culture (especially when there are children) than every one of your 8 collectively, with the possible exception of #4, and #7 if you insert the words “and old” after “young”.


39 posted on 12/28/2019 10:46:23 PM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: lasereye
Dreher writes for the New York Slimes as their token "conservative" (after David Brooks), right?

C.U.C.K.

40 posted on 12/28/2019 10:49:12 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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