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The culture war is lost
Spectator ^ | December 23, 2019 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 12/28/2019 7:56:36 PM PST by lasereye

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To: lasereye

Oh next year’s election means the world to those paying attention.


41 posted on 12/28/2019 10:49:43 PM PST by Twink
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To: DoodleBob
Fine. What to do about divorce? (And out of wedlock birth?) I think it is unlikely that there are arguments out there that will persuade Americans to return to the laws and practices of pre-1970 America, when it is widely believed many people were trapped for life in horrible marriages because of the difficulties of divorce.

Progressives have won this battle, and many others. Do you feel differently?

42 posted on 12/28/2019 10:49:51 PM PST by untenured
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To: Captainpaintball

Incredibly well said!


43 posted on 12/28/2019 10:50:59 PM PST by Twink
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To: indthkr

Harry Reid — “The War is Lost.”


44 posted on 12/28/2019 10:52:18 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Captainpaintball

That’s not why they want Trump destroyed but you’re right about Pence.


45 posted on 12/28/2019 10:52:43 PM PST by Twink
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To: LeonardFMason

I don’t boycott companies. Immature morons, like the left, boycott.

Stop giving these people power.

If I boycotted every company I disagreed with, I wouldn’t have anywhere to shop.

Chik Fil A will be just fine.


46 posted on 12/28/2019 10:55:45 PM PST by Twink
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To: indthkr

The writer obviously doesn’t know about the new grassroots uprising by the average, once not-involved American patriot.

I’m getting more signs of this shift, esp. from Vietnam veterans I meet on the street, in parking lots (when they see our bumperstickers, including one that says “Vietnam” - adding IRAQ for my son and son-in-law and IWO JIMA for my father-in-law. The Left can’t say anything against an Iwo vet (my late father in law, 3 PHs).

A Tea Party leader from No. Va. saw my stickers the other day and we had a nice conversation. She’s pissed at the GOP, organizing like it’s 2009 again, and on the warpath.

The best think about an uprising that you can’t see is that it hits the enemy when they least suspect it, and their casualties are usually heavy.

This year, we take no prisoners, esp. Soros money whores.

As my old disabled NYPD officer (and Army soldier) likes to say, “Lances Forward”.


47 posted on 12/28/2019 10:57:00 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures)
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To: Husker24

“America lives under the social cultural penumbra of Los Angeles and New York. “


48 posted on 12/28/2019 10:59:14 PM PST by nwrep
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To: lasereye

God wins in the end. That’s all that ultimately matters.


49 posted on 12/28/2019 11:02:11 PM PST by Cedar
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To: untenured
I can see increased fertility as helping, although I don’t see how to make it happen.

Among religious conservatives, it's been happening for 30 years, and it's expanding. Also, conservative (mostly religious) colleges and classically based primary and high schools are being started by parents in many areas of the US.

As the Left has shown its fangs, there has arisen a growing culture of traditionally minded young people with their own social networks who have decided to build the culture they want to live in. They're not featured much in TIME magazine. But unlike SJWs, they are having some pretty big families. Right now.

One way to make more of that happen is to help the growth of those classical-education schools, most of which are Protestant or Catholic. Those networks create cohorts of fighters--who tend to marry young, vote conservative, and have lots of children.

50 posted on 12/28/2019 11:07:46 PM PST by SamuraiScot (am)
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To: Captainpaintball

Aint that the truth.Hes not to be trusted.I dont think he has the stones to fight.


51 posted on 12/28/2019 11:36:49 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: lasereye

Don Jr.


52 posted on 12/28/2019 11:43:43 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: lasereye

Our Evangelical leaders are niether leaders, nor evangelical, if that is their belief.
When I am weak, He is strong. We were never meant to be strong in numbers, but strong in faith and obedience to Him. Learn from Jehosaphats battles in 2 Chronicles.
With no numbers, no might and no plan he was told in verse 17... Go out and face them.


53 posted on 12/29/2019 3:52:02 AM PST by momincombatboots (Ephesians 6... who you are really at war with)
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To: lasereye
"...We know that when he goes, we’re done."

That would be my take-away phrase from this excellent article, too.

I know he's transformed the Judiciary and rolled back the left from scores of emplacements, but once Trump is gone, the Red tide will inevitably return with a vengeance.

Stay safe, stay armed.
And having done all, STAND!

54 posted on 12/29/2019 4:00:05 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again".)
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To: firebrand; Roman_War_Criminal; SaveFerris; metmom; The Ignorant Fisherman; InkStone; Bob434
But it probably won’t happen. I can’t see the whole country turning back to God without the Tribulation to knock some sense into them.

Unfortunately, I agree 100%.

The author is also correct. The "Culture War" is long since lost. Christians are not of this world. It is a fool's errand to think we can "save" the world, restore a moral government, and restore universal goodness. Only God can do that. The truth is, things are getting worse.


55 posted on 12/29/2019 4:41:40 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: lasereye

This is absurdly defeatist. You can’t win by virtually surrendering.


56 posted on 12/29/2019 4:51:41 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: untenured
Divorce and out-of-wedlock birth are two separate issues.

The arguments against divorce are just as valid and potent today as they were pre-1970. Frankly, I think conservatives were all-too willing to join the divorce bandwagon. It's just like Adam biting the apple - the progressives MAY have started the show, but nowadays I don't hear ANYONE on the right bemoaning divorce. Indeed, I read many stories about pastors of mega churches having public splits, and with the exception of the Catholic Church I don't hear anyone preaching about how Jesus didn't advocate divorce even if you're trapped in a horrible marriage. To be fair, the incidence of divorce is down but the amount of selfishness and lack of concern for the children embodied in divorce is a uniquely progressive trait - everything is relative for them. This could be a winning issue for the right, but this negative of traditional conservative values gets no airtime with conservatives because THEY have embraced selfishness and lack of concern for the children.

In contrast, anti-abortionists and pro-gun folks NEVER flipped the script and joined the Dark Side. And yet, the devastation begotten by divorce on the family and society is vastly more horrific than most anything on your list. Thus, standing up to divorce is a matter of will, but it ranks low on the conservative will tote board.

Therefore, it is very hard for me to get worked up about most of the issues on your list because they are relative moral drops in the bucket. I mean, do I really care about marijuana legalization when the federal govt doesn't have a Constitutional leg to stand on anyway, while the reason youngsters are firing up in part is because Dad traded in Mom for a hotter, younger model?

57 posted on 12/29/2019 5:10:33 AM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: indthkr

I have hope that the pendulum is going to start moving in the other direction and that the next generation will look back on this generation and see how foolish they were.


58 posted on 12/29/2019 5:15:31 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Husker24

Yes, with few exceptions, the left has won every battle in the last 50 years.


59 posted on 12/29/2019 5:17:44 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: lasereye

Corporations have always been the front organizations pushing things to the left. It’s the communist way in America.


60 posted on 12/29/2019 5:24:54 AM PST by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%)
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