Posted on 03/29/2018 7:40:27 AM PDT by NRx
[Scalfari:] Your Holiness, in our previous meeting you told me that our species will disappear in a certain moment and that God, still out of his creative force, will create new species. You have never spoken to me about the souls who died in sin and will go to hell to suffer it for eternity. You have however spoken to me of good souls, admitted to the contemplation of God. But what about bad souls? Where are they punished?
[Francis:] "They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."
That's all right. Just pray for the triumph of Christ's truth. That should take care of it.
" Besides; we Prots have been told COUNTLESS times by our FR Catholic friends that GOD will not hear our prayers anyway! "
I've been all over the religion threads, including the prayer threads, for roughly 20 years, and have never seen such a shocking and un-Catholic thing asserted, not even once.
But since you say it has been asserted "countless" times, it shouldn't be hard for you at all to find once instance of it for me. If you do --- link, please --- I assure you I will go after the perp, hammer and tongs.
This however:
William Tyndale was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English
Is flatly wrong. The bill of indictment against Tyndale is available on the Internet; "translating the Bible into English" is not one of the charges on it. Besides, he was tried and punished in Belgium, why would they even care if he had translated the Bible into a language they didn't speak?
John Wycliffe, was the first (1380 C.E.) to translate the New Testament into English
Wrong. The Venerable Bede translated parts long before Wycliffe did. Even the forward to the 1611 KJV admits that the Bible had been translated into the language of the country many times before they did.
Seconding Mrs. Don-o's request that you post links to some of those "countless" times.
Picturing Nancy Pelosi celebrating this revelation.
I might have likened to this Pope.
The alleged quotes ascribed to Pope Francis directly contradict the many public remarks he has made in homilies and speeches confirming the existence of hell.
Meeting a group of children and teens during a Rome parish visit March 8, 2015, a female Scout asked the pope, "If God forgives everybody, why does hell exist?"
Pope Francis assured the children that God is good but reminded them that there was also a "very proud angel, very proud, very intelligent, and he was envious of God. Do you understand? He was envious of God. He wanted God's place. And God wanted to forgive him, but he said, 'I don't need your forgiveness. I am good enough!'"
"This is hell: It is telling God, 'You take care of yourself because I'll take care of myself.' They don't send you to hell, you go there because you choose to be there. Hell is wanting to be distant from God because I do not want God's love. This is hell. Do you understand?"
Speaking to families of victims of the Mafia March 21, 2014, the pope made an appeal to all men and women in the Mafia to stop, turn their lives around and convert.
"Convert, there is still time for not ending up in hell. It is what is waiting for you if you continue on this path," the pope said.
He scatters the ink spots on the page, as it were, and then depends on others to connect the dots.
Even in his subsequent back-pedaling he does not control the damage, because he does not repudiate the predictable emergence of false doctrine or confusion. Confusion seems to be his deliberate modus operandi.
It's part of his "dialectic." This is as far as you can get from the authentic study of Divine Law.
It is quite obvious who is NOT the "author" of this confusion; and, perhaps, who is. Tagline,
He’s in his own reality
Context is completely lost on the Roman Catholic it seems.
It's probably not some place located beneath our feet.
It's often said that hell is separation from God.
The idea that hell means non-existence seems pretty unorthodox.
That's downright weird. So people go to Heaven but evolution just continues on in the material world? Do more sentient species "evolve?"
How so?
“This is the most bizarre Pope ever.”
Indeed. Must have his own edition of Holy Scriptures.
Nah. Any contemporary Catholic bible is full of stuff like this.
Seconding Mrs. Don-o's request that you post links to some of those "countless" times.
Well, Roman Catholics have called all of us non-Roman Catholics heretics implying we are not going to Heaven.
A quote from the thread, "Protestantism, Modernism, Atheismmay help shed some additional light on the Roman Catholic position.
" The mass, prayer, the rosary. These first and last. The world denies their power: it is on their power that Christians must throw all their weight."
[The NT does not support the Roman Catholic position on these issues.]
From the Roman Catholic perspective would God hear the prayer of a heretic? So while the phrase may not be exactly found, that would be the logical position of some Roman Catholics...perhaps the majority.
Fortunately, we do have the promises of Christ that contradict much of Roman Catholicism on this issue and many others.
“our species will disappear in a certain moment and that God, still out of his creative force, will create new species.”
There is no scriptural support for this. Is he a science fiction fan or what?
It's called evolutionism. The vast majority of Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Non-Chalcaedonians, and Nestorians believe in it.
Until recently it was not advisable for Catholics to even read the Bible.
BS
I agree. It's perfectly all right for Catholics to read the Bible.
They're just not supposed to believe it.
This "scripture study" mentioned here refers to the documentary hypothesis and other forms of historical criticism of the Biblical texts. These were invented by liberal Protestants, and are nothing to be proud of. But don't worry, the Catholics have caught up with, if not surpassed, the liberal Protestants when it comes to Biblical studies for a long time.
My own personal opinion (which won't even get you a cup of coffee) is that it's far better to not read the Bible but believe it implicitly than to read it well while tearing it to shreds.
Actually, since "papal infallibility" was formally defined in 1870, it has been exercised one and only one time: in 1950, for the "assumption."
The Pope in 1854 made the "immaculate conception" a mandatory belief for all Catholics, but that was actually sixteen years before "papal infallibility" was formally defined.
The whole thing's a mess, regardless.
I'd be willing to be you a dozen donuts 99% of the people during this period had no idea what the documentary hypothesis is.
Sorry I missed this when I replied to another part of your post earlier.
Unfortunately, all contemporary Catholic "scripture study" involves demytholigization, the documentary hypothesis, and the blasphemous "historical critical" approach. They were better not reading it at all if this is what they were going to do to it.
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