Posted on 03/13/2019 6:40:19 AM PDT by Antoninus
The way it's written:
I see you’re one of them, “exteemed in his own generation”, also.
Correct: of course fire does not always purify in Scripture..., which is why what I carefully said was "fire can be used to purify," while reproving use that principle to extrapolate proof of RCP, as is often done.
And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God. (Zechariah 13:8-9)
But which is not talking about after death, but in all the land, in the time of the Lord when "it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." (Zechariah 12:9-10)
And for what is worth, even Catholicism affirms the future latter-day recognition by "all Israel" (the remnant that is left) even the full inclusion of the Jews in the Messiah's salvation after of the full number of the Gentiles have entered into the kingdom.
Perhaps one of such self-appointed moderator of these threads would answer my question then: Does the Holy Spirit go to purgatory when a person professing Jesus as Lord and Savior dies and supposedly drops into purgatory suffering?
Maybe the OP saw your post before posting this thread: THE ROMAN CATHOLICS OF BRAZIL MARK THE BEGINNING OF LENT WITH THEIR ANNUAL 5-DAY CARNIVAL
The question is, are such Catholics manifestly considered members in life and in death by Rome, and thus given ecclesiastical funerals , even as Teddy K. and the like were, while according to a RC theologian, "Shared Communion With Protestants Would be Blasphemy."
That’s what they believed. I don’t get the ‘so what.’
What I meant, of course, is that disagreeing with certain "isms" (e.g., Catholicism; Protestantism) is NOT being anti-Catholic or anti-Protestant as that would be speaking of hatred towards the person(s).
This is based upon the Religion Moderator's rules:
For example:
It is ok to express hatred towards MormonISM on open Religion Forum threads. It is never ok to express hatred towards Mormons because some Freepers are Mormon.
It is ok to express hatred towards CatholicISM on open Religion Forum threads. It is never ok to express hatred towards Catholics because some Freepers are Catholic.
It is ok to express hatred towards ProtestantISM on open Religion Forum threads. It is never ok to express hatred towards Protestants because some Freepers are Protestant.
It is ok to express hatred towards SatanISM and Satanists both because no Freeper is Satanist.
And I agree with you that the Moderators do a great job.
They do "cafeteria-style".
Is this the BEST you can do; Mary worshipper?
“oh arrogant one” and “Mary worshipper”?
You’re on roll today!
Indeed, and yet how often is contending for the Truth and morals of the word of God labeled as abhorrent hatred. And even reproving the hyper-exaltation of the Mary of Catholicism (versus the virtuous surrendered Spirit-filled Mary the mother of Christ) is rendered hating Mary. And or that were are hateful bigots. But the RM advises ,
If the other guy is throwing spitwads at you on an open thread it probably means he has run out of ammunition. Take it as a backhanded compliment. You won, walk away.
And I agree with you that the Moderators do a great job.
May we ever have such on FR. And i am sure its not easy.
But the truth is, if you are a born-again Christian, to be gone from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.2 Cor 5:6-8.
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far betterPhillipians 1:23.
And if you are a born-again Christian, you have ALREADY DIED WITH CHRIST (Rom 6:3-8). Therefore, there is NO death ahead for the Christian because he has already died. Basically when we leave this body we are raptured right into the very presence of our loving God and Savior Jesus Christ forever. There is NO DEATH and NO DREAD ahead for Christians. Only the confident expectation of good forever.
Thank you Jesus.
HMMMmmm THIS 'Mary' seems to want to magnify HERSELF!!
(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)
1 | Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces. |
2. | I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary. |
3. | The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies |
4. | It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means. |
5. | The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish. |
6. | Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life. |
7. | Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church. |
8. | Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise. |
9. | I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary. |
10. | The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven. |
11. | You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary. |
12. | All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities. |
13. | I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death |
14. | All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ. |
15. | Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination. |
Dang!
You posted a 'proof text' that simply does NOT say that!
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
I am 'willing' for LOTS of things to happen to me; too; but my 'will' is NOT gonna take precedent over what Scripture has plainly stated elsewhere.
Centuries of telling the kids that “Gramma’s in Heaven now.” when she dies, and that “GOD needs her more there than we do here.” has warped our thinking over what Scripture teaches.
I gots lotsa 'desires'; too.
I'm sure that Lazarus would have been considered 'born again'; but Jesus said nothing about him being in Heaven when HE raised him back to earthly life!
21 Lord, Martha said to Jesus, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask.
23 Jesus said to her, Your brother will rise again.
24 Martha answered, I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?
Does not anyone but ME notice that Jesus did NOT correct Martha on her; what some here on FR would consider to be a; FALSE conclusion?
If you want it in context: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+11%3A1-44&version=NIV
There you go! When you have no argument, resort to attacking Christ’s Mother.
Classy!
GOD needs her more there than we do here. is not necessarily supported by scripture.
So you do what purveyors of false doctrine always do - mix truth with untruth, Satan's greatest ploy.
The “DESIRE” (also “wish” or “willing”) in Philippians 1:23 and 2 Cor 5:6-8 is to be with Christ instead of here - a longing of Paul’s and most of the rest of us. Nothing too mysterious here. And contrary to your earlier misapplication, Scripture talks more about the need for others that we be here, rather than the nonsense that “God needs that person more than we do.”
The DOCTRINE in Philippians 1:23 & 2 Cor 5:6-8 is that to be absent from the flesh is to be present with the Lord.
“Purgatory” is false doctrine not supported by Scripture.
“[I]t is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” Hebrews 9:27.
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