Posted on 09/09/2019 2:59:43 PM PDT by ransomnote
“The world needs to return to religion. Rejecting religion, rejecting God, is a sickness that is afflicting the world. Secularism rejects human values. The UN declared abortion and euthanasia to be human rights—this is a sign of sickness. The concept of family, a father, and mother, is a basic human quality reinforced by religion and rejected by secularism. The concept of belonging to a nation, to a tribe, to a people, is rejected by secularism. Man was given the mandate to care for the world but they have turned people into animals and animals into people. It is impossible to continue like this.”
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I was thrown by the idea of animal sacrifice, until recalling that Moses’ instructions from God directed that the priests should then eat the animal.
Are you a vegetarian, Veto! ?
No, it doesn't. Denominations are generally open to any who want to learn about Jesus of Nazareth, a Jewish rabbi who refers frequently in his Words to "the law and the prophets" (the Hebrew Bible), and are places of worship for those who claim Jesus as their savior; but salvation itself is individual, never corporate.
Membership in a Christian congregation, learning scriptures or doing virtuous works do not confer salvation. It is the heart of the believer alone that can be (and is) examined by God alone that determines whether an individual is saved.
Simply put, an individual is saved through faith alone, by the grace of God alone, with scripture as the sole authority.
I’ve never heard of “the evil “Talmudic” new world order” you mention. I have heard of the push for ecumenism being likened to NWO.
You said: “I wonder . . . do you object to any universally true religion? “
I say: I object to the New World Order which dictates that all religions come under one leadership (human) on earth.
You said: “would prefer a different “gxd” and religion for every ethnic group under the sun? That would certainly stop all this “race mixing.”
I say: This confirms my suspicion that you are accusing me of racism for reporting on information I’ve read, including from those of Jewish heritage, describing the renewal of Noahide law and why it is or is not good. I don’t deserve that.
Add another abomination to the list of offenses against His son.
I doubt that EVERYONE assumes that it is true. Just Christians. Just as Jews think it is false, and that their God is the one true God. Would seem silly to be a Christian, Jew or muslim and think that the other’s was the true god.
understood.
notwithstanding the Pauline, etc. mistaken understanding, the Hebrew scriptures provide that people are forgiven for any intentional, knowing sins or transgressions through genuine repentance (including any possible restitution), human sacrifices are strictly forbidden in all circumstances and animal sacrifices are NOT required and not even desired in place of genuine repentance. The exception is the single sacrificial offering of an animal for unintentional or accidental mistakes (such as.. working on the Sabbath because you honestly thought it was Sunday or Monday instead). The offering is then distributed and eaten for food ==it amounts to a ritual and the food is not wasted. Sort of like a genuine prayer over your next hamburger...
Repentance for an intentional transgression MAY be ACCOMPANIED by an animal sacrifice (meeting the prescribed details) but the genuine atonement and any needed restitution is still a MUST, is still the KEY ingredient. The optional ritual may not be substituted for genuine atonement.
It is anticipated that when the Temple is restored, that the priest will conduct the one animal sacrifice for unintentional mistakes/transgressions, only. At least, this is how many people see it. Best, fhc
Not a vegetarian, eat eggs every other day and beef, turkey, or salmon about that often too. Plus, my cat is a carnivore. Eating farm animals is, in my mind, quite different from “sacrificing” them.
The sacrifice is not from a horror movie—it is a sacrifice of profit in the heart of a herdsman, who gives up an animal he might have used for food or trade as a tithe to God. The animal is not tortured, it is killed humanely, and then the meat is roasted as a “pleasing fragrance” to the Lord, and is eaten by the priests, so it’s not wasted.
Only a certain small percentage of animals in relation to the population are to be used, as directed very specifically to Moses by God—It’s not wholesale slaughter. It is a domestic food animal that would have been killed and eaten anyway. This one is “without spot or blemish”—a special honor. You can find these specifications, I think, in Exodus and Leviticus.
There is no beer drinking like at a Texas bull roast and no revelry like at an Italian pig roast, for just two examples not normally associated with “sacrifice.”
That said, my personal belief is that Jesus Christ ended the need for animal sacrifice to God; but I do respect that the persons who don’t believe this and are proposing these rituals are probably also planning to observe humane methods.
Our posts crossed in cyberspace. Mine just above at 51 whould reveal that I’m familiar with the practice directed by God to the Israelites through Moses, and also my belief it is no longer necessary for believers in Jesus.
My main purpose in writing was to dispel the fear that the animal was going to be tortured rather than killed humanely and used as food, giving examples of meat most Christians would eat but not associate with fearsome connotations of the word “sacrifice.”
yes, the term “sacrifice” can sometimes be perceived negatively. alas.
it is a simple, very very quick animal slaughter, MUCH MUCH MUCH more HUMANE and MUCH MUCH less pain than 99 percent of hamburgers, hot dogs, steaks and other animals that people eat!
and yes, the meat is then distributed (priest gets a share, rest stays with the pray-er for him and his family). Priest gets a share because they were not allocated any lands and thus could not grow their own food. Their diet is (at least per the Biblical provision) taken care of by these shares of contributed food.
There is nothing cruel or wasteful for anyone to complain about. Whether anyone wishes to participate or wishes to “deal with” his/her unintentional behavioral mistakes in any other way, is of course a matter of freewill personal choice. No problemo!
Thanks for your erudite explanation. I’ll remember this. As long as the meat is killed humanely (which factory farm animals really are not) and eaten by the priests, not wasted, I can live with it.
You're completely ignoring the fact that chrstianity is a false religion. At the end of time the True Religion will be universally acknowledged and all false ones consigned do the dustbin of history.
What kind of "conservative" thinks there is more than one "one true religion?
You should like this particular bunch though, as they seem to be liberals who think all religions are equally true.
Woah woah woah.
First, you're assuming that J*sus, chrstianity, and the "new testament" are what they claim to be. I am not sure why it's so hard for people to understand that chrstianity is NOT self evidently true.
The quotation about "doctrines and commandments of men" is from J*sus in the "new testament." What if these so-called authorities are false?
The reason chrstianity came up with the idea of "doctrines and commandments of men" was to do away with the authentic interpretation of the Torah as it had been done since Moses. The only other people who rejected the Oral Torah at that time, that I am familiar with, was the Tzadduqim. Then after accusing the Jews of "the doctrines and commandments of men" chrstianity went right ahead and made up its own traditions, attributing them to the apostles rather than to Moses. The hypocrisy of this position is obvious, and I believe it is this which led to the birth of Protestantism, which is a Divine punishment of chrstianity that throws right back in the ancient churches' faces the same accusation they make against the Rabbis. This is called middah keneged middah, measure for measure.
And now Protestants themselves find that they have "works" and "traditions" too and twist themselves into knots to justify them. Jews don't have to do that because they never had to discredit a predecessor religion in order to take its place.
I'm sorry, but it seems to me that you all deserve it.
This is the Greatest Story Ever Told! The End was Determined from The Beginning. Everyone plays their part in getting to the appointed set of events at the appointed times.
The question is: Where are you going to be in the next cycle? In the New Heaven or in Perdition? Is your name in the Book of Life?
First, do have any reason whatsoever for believing what you do, or do you "just believe" it for no reason? Are you even capable of trying to prove your beliefs are correct or are you one of those people who believes if he just repeats enough "new testament" verses and chrstian claims that your interlocutor will suddenly "get happy" and suddenly agree with you?
Second of all, the authentic Bible is a hand-written Torah Scroll, which is written according to (unwritten) laws that guarantee that it will be identical to the First Torah Scroll? Your magical Thomas Nelson bible is a mere translation of this (adulterated with the "new testament"). If the "doctrine and commandments of men" that guarantee an authentic Biblical text are false and ee-vil, then so is your Thomas Nelson bible. The ancient Israelites didn't have printing presses; their Torah Scrolls were hand-written, and if there were no oral laws protecting the true text, there would be no authentic text in existence.
Also since the Oral Torah includes all the vowels and punctuation, you would have to have a bible translated from nothing but a string of 304,000+ consonants. Good luck with that.
Your Reformation argument with the Catholic Church is completely out of place on this subject.
Unfortunately, you have no idea of what I was saying. I was critiquing the idea that J*sus is the "king of the white people" and everybody else should belong to some other religion (such people exist; they're called "palaeos"). I was pointing out that a single religion practiced by the entire human race is only evil if it's false. The entire human race acknowledging and obeying Him is a good thing, not a bad one. Some people are so allergic to the "one world religion" of the "new world order" that they don't even believe in universals. Those people are wrong.
So do I. Perhaps you didn't read my original post, but it was that there is something very troubling about a "sanhedrin" that insists as long as you "keep the seven laws" that you can remain a chrstian, moslem, hindu, b*ddhist, or whatever. That is self-evidently illogical and downright scary. I also pointed out that most of the Torah Sages completely reject this "sanhedrin."
I say: This confirms my suspicion that you are accusing me of racism for reporting on information I’ve read, including from those of Jewish heritage, describing the renewal of Noahide law and why it is or is not good. I don’t deserve that.
I am truly sorry and ask your forgiveness. For over forty years I have fought against two things: anti-Semitism, and false charges of anti-Semitism. But to my mind anyone who questions the validity of a universally true religion for the entire human race (and I'm not talking about the false "one world religion" of the new world order) is basically implying this. The "palaeos" are worshipers of European genes and chromosomes rather than of G-d and they sometimes come out and admit that chrstianity is only for white people, or only the "religion of the west," or such like.
Most mentions of the Talmud by non-Jews are to accuse it of being evil and the "source" of the new world order. A poster on this thread attacked the Talmud and Jews as "the synagogue of satan," which is a classic anti-Jewish charge. People call the new world order the "Jew world order" and refer to television as "Talmudvision" (they think the Talmud contains instructions for making reality shows, apparently). And furthermore, there are genuine anti-Semites on this forum who I and the Jewish and Noahide FReepers have to deal with who for some reason can get away with violating FR rules for years and yet get away with it.
I am sorry I assumed you were some sort of "palaeo," but there are certain ideas and phrases that they use that gives the game away. I may have also gotten you mixed up with the "synagogue of satan" poster. I am sorry.
Unfortunately, this is the whole idea behind modern ecumenism. It assumes that all religions are equally true (which means they are also equally false). And the current religious leadership of all the world's religions are pushing this non-stop!
In no way do I endorse the theology of C.S. Lewis, but for what I'm talking about you should read about "Tashlan" in The Last Battle.
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