Don’t Mess with the Book of Revelation

Rapture Ready ^ | 9/10/22 | Jonathan Brentner

[FreshPrince]

Yeah problem is there is no one who can interpret Revelation inerrantly so no blessing to him.

[MHGinTN]

Nice diodge of the issue. No gold star for you today.

[MHGinTN]

The [’tribulation’ written of / spoken of by Jesus is due to the Lamb opening the seven sealed scroll. That is very different from the horrors men have visited upon each other for centuries. In Rev 6, even the heather come to reaqlize the wrath of the Lamb is quite different from any other tribulations. The approach you are citing is a typical way to avoid spiritually seeing what Jesus reveals inn the Revelation. ... might make you feel all warm and fuzzy to have a ‘gotcha’ but it is fraudulent.

[MHGinTN]

Not named specifically, but is present in chapter five as a category identity (just like David used when assigning family participants in the Temple services) when the L:amb takes the scroll and begins opening it. Four and twenty elders is a category identity not specific individuals.

[SkyDancer]

Didn’t dodge the issue. You said the church was no longer mentioned after a certain point and all I said was John had all he had to say to those churches and then moved on to prophecy.

[MHGinTN]

First, it is Jesus spaking a message to the churches.

Second, I did not say what you accuse. In fact, I , on this thread, have said the word 'church (chuirches) is not fopund after chapter three until in chpater 19, BUT the church is shown in attendance in chapters four and five, as the category identity like David used.

[SkyDancer]

There are one hundred verses describing the Second Coming of Jesus; there are 30 verses that are used to prove this Rapture thing. All those Rapture verses are at the end of the verses describing the Second Coming. Figure it out.

[MHGinTN]

And yes you did try to doge the issues by asserting the fact that chpaters and verse numbers were added much later after John penned The Revelation. Your dodge was a non sequitur you used on your ‘her’ friend.

[MHGinTN]

Explaining to you where you are in error is useless. You have closed your mind to any but your chosen opinion. Just pointing out 1 Thess 4:13-18 is sufficient to refute whomever you are citing without attribution.

[Ezekiel]

Now God seen some sinnin'
And it gave Him pain...

While folks argue, you can count on the Irish Rovers for the real intel, because

The 'Days of Noe' *is* Operation Unicorn:

The Irish Rovers - The Unicorn Song

Operation Unicorn is the plan for handling the Queen's death in Scotland. Details about Operation Unicorn were first reported to the public in 2019, although mention of the codename was first made in the Scottish Parliament's online papers in 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_London_Bridge#Operation_Unicorn_(Scotland)

The operation, which was to come into force in case Queen Elizabeth II died in Scotland, was named so after the national animal of Scotland.

"Don't you forget my unicorn."

Total round-up. People just aren't prepared.

Isaac="he will laugh"

Good Irish name. Íosac

[FroedrickVonFreepenstein]

I’m saying that our salvation is not dependent upon a belief in the rapture. Likewise a belief in the rapture doesn’t put our salvation at risk. That said, there is no rapture, only the singular Second Coming of Christ. I just told you that you must read the verses of each book in the context of that book, it’s intent, meaning and overall message. Then I gave a brief example. You didn’t like that so I really have nothing more for you on that topic. It’s just not that important.

[MHGinTN]

The Bible tells us what the second coming of Messiah is for. Have you read it? The biggest clue is that He is coming to rescuie Israel.

[MHGinTN]

The second biggest clue is the nature of the 'church', the body of believers in Jesus as Whom God sent for our salvation ... and with the church there is neither 'Greek' nor Jew.

The Rapture is the rescue of The Bride of Christ BEFGORE the wrath of the Lamb is begun. The Second Touch down of Messiah is to rescue the Jews. The wrath of the Lamb is for the unbelieving world. The Body of Believers are not here to suffer that wrath, but the Jews whom Jesus rescues ARE HERE during the time of Jacob's Trioubles.

[SkyDancer]

1 Thess 4:13-18 is talking about the Second Coming.

[SkyDancer]

Nobody in the early church age was looking for any kind of Rapture. The Rapture idea didn’t show up until the very early 1800’s.

[Philsworld]

Actually, it started a little earlier.

The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch//antichrist.htm

[Philsworld]

The origins and order of the rapture theory:

Francisco Ribera (Jesuit)
Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (Jesuit)
Michael Walpole (Jesuit)
Manuel De Lacunza (Jesuit)
Edward Irving
Margaret McDonald (ecstatic utterances)
Samuel Roffey Maitland
James H. Todd
John Henry Newman
John Nelson Darby
Arno C. Gaebelein
Cyrus Ingerson Scofield
Lewis Sperry Chafer

Dallas Theological Seminary is the key place where the Jesuit concepts were taught to thousands of Pastors, including today’s top TV and radio personalities.
——>they all seem to show up on Prophey Watchers to sell their books and DVD’s.

(As a side note...Samuel Prideaux Tregelles attended Irving’s church and was an eyewitness to Margaret McDonald’s utterances…first time EVER hearing about PTR theory)

[SkyDancer]

They all talked about the Second Coming, not some sort of magical rapture.

[Philsworld]

——>They all talked about the Second Coming, not some sort of magical rapture.

100% correct. My point exactly.

[Seven_0]

That said, there is no rapture, only the singular Second Coming of Christ.

There are two events and there are major differences. The second coming which is given in Matthew 24 where the evil one are taken and the good ones are left behind (they knew not until the flood came and took them all away) The other event is the rapture at the end of Revelation 14 where the good ones are taken away and the evil ones are left behind.