Don’t Mess with the Book of Revelation

Are you saying this is the rapture:

Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vineyard of the earth; because the grapes thereof are ripe. [19] And the angel thrust in his sharp sickle into the earth, and gathered the vineyard of the earth, and cast it into the great press of the wrath of God: [20] And the press was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the press, up to the horses’ bridles, for a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Francisco Ribera (Jesuit)
Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (Jesuit)
Michael Walpole (Jesuit)
Manuel De Lacunza (Jesuit)

All of those fellows taught a futurist view of Revelation, to one degree or another. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. None of them taught a pre-trib rapture. The pre-trib rapture theory was basically unknown until John Nelson Darby came along.

The Catholic church agrees with you that the "rapture" is something that happens on the Last Day when Christ returns in glory.

You clearly do not realize what a fool you show yourself to be with the following catholic assertion: “The pre-trib rapture theory was basically unknown until John Nelson Darby came along.” The sad part is, you want to remain a fool rtather than look at the truth regarding the pre-trib rapture, which idea can be traced even back to the Essenes via the Zadok Priesthood. I would post links to several very early references to the Rapture as happening BEFORE the tribulation but you and your SDA mule would just reject, ignore, and prevaricate over them. Sad, very sad, but to be expected from followers of cults.

——>All of those fellows taught a futurist view of Revelation, to one degree or another. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that. None of them taught a pre-trib rapture. The pre-trib rapture theory was basically unknown until John Nelson Darby came along.

The Catholic church was getting pounded by the Reformers for being the Antichrist power (which they are). The Catholic church commissioned those Jesuits to offer alternate theories for when the AC showed up, etc…and thereby deflect criticism that they were the AC/beast power, little horn, son of perdition, whore of Babylon, etc..., as laid out in bible prophecy. Ribera, Bellarmine, Walpole, and De Lacunza proposed and perpetuated FUTURISM….the AC coming in the future. De Alcazar’s theory was PRETERISM, meaning the AC power had already come. So, the AC power couldn’t be the Catholic church in their view, as he had either already come, or will at the end of the world. Deflection….. They tried to sell that story to the Reformers. The Reformers said (paraphrasing) “what a load of crap”. Every protestant reformer on record was a Historicist, every single one.

http://www.redeemerfw.org/resources/reformers_antichrist.pdf

Edward Irving discovered Lacunza’s book in a Library (might have been at Oxford), and translated it into English (originally printed in Spanish), in 1827. The rest is PTR history. Darby and the others just fine-tuned it.

As a Catholic, you are either a preterist or futurist in terms of when the AC shows up, etc…. Futurism is the precursor to the PTR theory, and that is a clear fact that all PTR theory believers deny. Catholics also deny it, as you do. I suggest that you actually read the article I posted. (Sounds like you haven’t).

——>The Catholic church agrees with you that the “rapture” is something that happens on the Last Day when Christ returns in glory.

Agreed. However, we are billions of light years apart on who the AC power is, understanding prophecy, and how salvation will be determined. OSAS/OJAJ are in the same boat you’re in. You should look into that.

Here’s the article, again, that I posted previously:

The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism. I’d be interested in your opinion after you read it.
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/antichrist.htm

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